Don Vito Corleone
Elite
I thought the F1-tranny M3 was not yet in production. Are you speculating about the specs or is this for real?
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This kid at my school drives an M3.
OMG it is one tight car.
There are a couple of regular M roadsters (I think), a few Z3s, and a few XJ8s, but I think his M3 is the nicest car in the lot (although this one kid is dropped off in his dad's Ferarri every now and then...tight...dunno what the model is though).
OMG it is one tight car.
There are a couple of regular M roadsters (I think), a few Z3s, and a few XJ8s, but I think his M3 is the nicest car in the lot (although this one kid is dropped off in his dad's Ferarri every now and then...tight...dunno what the model is though).
Chadder007
Diamond Member
M3 all the way man. My family has 3 BMW's and the old 87 model we have, has 260,000 miles on it with no major work ever done to it. So yes they can be extremely reliable, as for Chevrolette I haven't ever seen the same. American designed cars can never compare in the quality nor reliability of foreign cars. Also the horsepower of foreign cars outweights American cars. A 250 hp BMW will beat out an American 300 hp. A Japanese 250 will also beat out an American 300 also. They all have better efficiency in transfering that hp power to the wheel. Some of the fastest cars in the world are 6 cylinders.
"DABANSHEE, the Z06 would eat the M3 up on the track or in a straightline..."
In a straight line, yes, but definitly not on a track full of chicanes & what not. You see the Chevy is just a Sportcar with a big V8 engine & even though it may be fibreglass its definitly not light (my V8 Leyland P76 sedan weighs less than any Corvette). Whereas the M3 evolved from the BMW Group A homogulation specials of about 10+ years ago & the Super Tourer Homogulation specials of more recent fame (they have the same slant-6 engines stroked down to 2 litres to meet the racing formula specs). Consequently they are designed to handle & race from the very beginning. Even a slush-a-matic M3 would beat a Corvette through a set of chicanes. Lets not even start on wet weather performance.
"...A 250 hp BMW will beat out an American 300 hp. A Japanese 250 will also beat out an American 300 also. They all have better efficiency in transfering that hp power to the wheel. Some of the fastest cars in the world are 6 cylinders."
True & false, yes a 250HP engine from Japan or Europe will perform about the same as a 300HP engine from the US. But its only because horse power is measured differently in North America compared with the rest of the world. In the US they use SAE HP while in the rest of the world they use BHP (as in 'brake' Horse Power) & 250 BHP is about equal to about 300HP SAE. Also there's a big difference between HP measured at the fly wheel & if its measured a the driving wheels. These days in professional circles engine power is more or less universally measured in kilowatts to avoid any confusion between BHP & SAE HP.
"Definatley go with the biggest baddest V8 you can find!!!!
351 Cubic Inches of Henry's Finest!!! Nothing Better
(Of course it's gotta be Aussie Muscle tho!!!!)"
You said it DaLeroy, the Aussie Cleveland 351 small block (named after the Cleveland, Ohio plant where the design hailed from) will beat the pants of any US Windsor 351 small block (named after the Windsor, Ontario plant where the design hails from), any day of the weak. But the BOSS 351 engine has the best balance of both (revy free breathing slanted valve Cleveland heads, modified to fit on the lighter, better lubricated Windsor block).
In a straight line, yes, but definitly not on a track full of chicanes & what not. You see the Chevy is just a Sportcar with a big V8 engine & even though it may be fibreglass its definitly not light (my V8 Leyland P76 sedan weighs less than any Corvette). Whereas the M3 evolved from the BMW Group A homogulation specials of about 10+ years ago & the Super Tourer Homogulation specials of more recent fame (they have the same slant-6 engines stroked down to 2 litres to meet the racing formula specs). Consequently they are designed to handle & race from the very beginning. Even a slush-a-matic M3 would beat a Corvette through a set of chicanes. Lets not even start on wet weather performance.
"...A 250 hp BMW will beat out an American 300 hp. A Japanese 250 will also beat out an American 300 also. They all have better efficiency in transfering that hp power to the wheel. Some of the fastest cars in the world are 6 cylinders."
True & false, yes a 250HP engine from Japan or Europe will perform about the same as a 300HP engine from the US. But its only because horse power is measured differently in North America compared with the rest of the world. In the US they use SAE HP while in the rest of the world they use BHP (as in 'brake' Horse Power) & 250 BHP is about equal to about 300HP SAE. Also there's a big difference between HP measured at the fly wheel & if its measured a the driving wheels. These days in professional circles engine power is more or less universally measured in kilowatts to avoid any confusion between BHP & SAE HP.
"Definatley go with the biggest baddest V8 you can find!!!!
351 Cubic Inches of Henry's Finest!!! Nothing Better
(Of course it's gotta be Aussie Muscle tho!!!!)"
You said it DaLeroy, the Aussie Cleveland 351 small block (named after the Cleveland, Ohio plant where the design hailed from) will beat the pants of any US Windsor 351 small block (named after the Windsor, Ontario plant where the design hails from), any day of the weak. But the BOSS 351 engine has the best balance of both (revy free breathing slanted valve Cleveland heads, modified to fit on the lighter, better lubricated Windsor block).
Dabanshee, and xyyz:
The second generation M3 in the US (240 hp) would get eaten by regular corvette C5s in the track.
The new M3 has 333 hp, but the Z06 also gets a boost both in power and torque.
So, I think the best that the M3 can do is equal the Z06's performance.
The M3 might have very good handling, but the corvette also has good handling, and Waay more HP and Torque. That car is tough to beat.
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I'm just laying out what I think is true here. But personally I'd still choose the M3.
As for the poll, is 36 for the M3 v. 20 for the Z06
The second generation M3 in the US (240 hp) would get eaten by regular corvette C5s in the track.
The new M3 has 333 hp, but the Z06 also gets a boost both in power and torque.
So, I think the best that the M3 can do is equal the Z06's performance.
The M3 might have very good handling, but the corvette also has good handling, and Waay more HP and Torque. That car is tough to beat.
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I'm just laying out what I think is true here. But personally I'd still choose the M3.
As for the poll, is 36 for the M3 v. 20 for the Z06
bigbootydaddy
Banned
m3.
dont you hate import haters? mad cause they pay a ton of gas money. import cars can wipe the floor as just as many as americans cars can with imports.(yeah i really want a camaro when that shiny new porsche looks so nice...)
plus, why race a 40k+ car?? one wreck and start crying..
plus ive seen and know civics, yes CIVICs , sleepers obviously (my fav was a crx with nsx addons that bolt on), that would spank either, so stock speed is nothign to brag about these days
dont you hate import haters? mad cause they pay a ton of gas money. import cars can wipe the floor as just as many as americans cars can with imports.(yeah i really want a camaro when that shiny new porsche looks so nice...)
plus, why race a 40k+ car?? one wreck and start crying..
plus ive seen and know civics, yes CIVICs , sleepers obviously (my fav was a crx with nsx addons that bolt on), that would spank either, so stock speed is nothign to brag about these days
BoberFett
Lifer
I voted for the Vette. If you had put any other make against it, I'd have gone for that instead. I'm no fan of Chevy, in fact I think they pretty much suck donkey balls. But I have some strange thing against BMW. It's irrational, I know, but I've never liked them. I'm sure they're very well engineered automobiles, but I just can't stand BMWs styling.
M3, American sports cars (for the most part) are crap. 😛 I can't stand sitting in a car while it's idling and listening to something rattling in some part of the body, chasis, or interior. And that's what seems to happen every time I climb into any American "sports car". :| It's all about the refinement... a couple tenths of a sec on the 0-60 don't mean squat when compared to the comfort/quality of a German engineered car. I'd say the closest that the US has come to achieving that goal is either the `87 Buick Grandnational or the `98 Impala SS (I think it was `98).
Sure, pure sports cars are nice... but your butt and back will thank you for the added comfort if you do any real distance driving.
Sure, pure sports cars are nice... but your butt and back will thank you for the added comfort if you do any real distance driving.
SuperGroove
Diamond Member
Dabanshee said:
<< In a straight line, yes, but definitly not on a track full of chicanes & what not. You see the Chevy is just a Sportcar with a big V8 engine & even though it may be fibreglass its definitly not light (my V8 Leyland P76 sedan weighs less than any Corvette). Whereas the M3 evolved from the BMW Group A homogulation specials of about 10+ years ago & the Super Tourer Homogulation specials of more recent fame (they have the same slant-6 engines stroked down to 2 litres to meet the racing formula specs). Consequently they are designed to handle & race from the very beginning. Even a slush-a-matic M3 would beat a Corvette through a set of chicanes. Lets not even start on wet weather performance. >>
You forget that the Corvette has an illustrious career in the Can-AM racing series. It competed against the best, including Shelby's, Porsche's, MB and what not. The Corvette was bred to run with the best of them. BMW had their 3 series, but they were no match for the afore mentioned
If we talked specs, the Corvette Z06 has MUCH better grip, instantaneous power AND IT WEIGHS 300lbs less. 0-60 in approximately 4 seconds(LOW 4s), quarter mile in under 13, and top speed of 168...we're talking serious car here. It's gearing was tuned for all-out acceleration, helpful in the twisties.
Lupin,
Last I checked, you can get a Z06 for $50,000. So I guess the M3 is a wee bit less expensive factory price wise. However, you can count on dealer's marking up heavily. My friend's dad works at a Porsche dealership. He is now charging almost twice the MSRP of the Porsche 911 Turbo. He sells the base Boxster at near $60,000. Having an exclusive car, which according to some the Corvette is not, costs a boondoogle. The M3 is one of those exclusive cars.
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I like all cars...just plain and simple, the Z06 is a true track car. It's suspension is raucous for the everyday roads, but simply glues the car down on the crack. It's got gobs and gobs of ower in a lightweight structure. The BMW M3 maybe great, but it ain't no track car. It's becoming more and more a luxury coupe than what it once was, a sport coupe.
Paul
<< In a straight line, yes, but definitly not on a track full of chicanes & what not. You see the Chevy is just a Sportcar with a big V8 engine & even though it may be fibreglass its definitly not light (my V8 Leyland P76 sedan weighs less than any Corvette). Whereas the M3 evolved from the BMW Group A homogulation specials of about 10+ years ago & the Super Tourer Homogulation specials of more recent fame (they have the same slant-6 engines stroked down to 2 litres to meet the racing formula specs). Consequently they are designed to handle & race from the very beginning. Even a slush-a-matic M3 would beat a Corvette through a set of chicanes. Lets not even start on wet weather performance. >>
You forget that the Corvette has an illustrious career in the Can-AM racing series. It competed against the best, including Shelby's, Porsche's, MB and what not. The Corvette was bred to run with the best of them. BMW had their 3 series, but they were no match for the afore mentioned
If we talked specs, the Corvette Z06 has MUCH better grip, instantaneous power AND IT WEIGHS 300lbs less. 0-60 in approximately 4 seconds(LOW 4s), quarter mile in under 13, and top speed of 168...we're talking serious car here. It's gearing was tuned for all-out acceleration, helpful in the twisties.
Lupin,
Last I checked, you can get a Z06 for $50,000. So I guess the M3 is a wee bit less expensive factory price wise. However, you can count on dealer's marking up heavily. My friend's dad works at a Porsche dealership. He is now charging almost twice the MSRP of the Porsche 911 Turbo. He sells the base Boxster at near $60,000. Having an exclusive car, which according to some the Corvette is not, costs a boondoogle. The M3 is one of those exclusive cars.
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I like all cars...just plain and simple, the Z06 is a true track car. It's suspension is raucous for the everyday roads, but simply glues the car down on the crack. It's got gobs and gobs of ower in a lightweight structure. The BMW M3 maybe great, but it ain't no track car. It's becoming more and more a luxury coupe than what it once was, a sport coupe.
Paul
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