Poll: Are you willing to die for US?

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Noriaki

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Jun 3, 2000
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No, not really no.
But then that's because I'm not american ;)

I would die for my country in a defensive situation. But I wouldn't die for a hostile takeover of some other country.
 

damocles

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Oct 9, 1999
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I think 'i would run away' is a bit of a crap option, just because someone will not fight doesn't mean they are running away from anything.

I would fight for my country (not the US)on domestic grounds, but not overseas. Even then i wouldn't join the army where i would just become a chess-piece in someones elses game.

 

TheKidd

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Aug 21, 2000
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Probably not, I would have to feel that the United States was unequivocally right in whatever the cause was, and even then I wouldn't want to make that sacrifice.
 

unghole

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Jun 15, 2001
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The United States may have moral flaws and shortcomings amidst its government and political structure...but things still work out, right? We and our families are all living safely and comfortably. We live a quality of life better than most in the rest of the world. Heck, we have the free time to spend on friggin AT!
Bless those who fight for us....HELL YEAH I WOULD FIGHT and SHAME ON THOSE WHO SAY NO, ungreatful bastards. Be proud of your country, or at least the one you take for granted.
 

Red Dawn

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Jun 4, 2001
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If I were in the same squad as 67gt500 I think I would frag his sorry ass when he went to use the "CAN". Gungho "My Country Love it or Leave it Niedemeyers" like him get others killed needlessly.



Prior to WWII a lot of Americans were saying the same thing most here are saying. Only if America was attacked. Well she was and they were lining up t join. I guaranty you the same thing would apply today. So all of you who are saying those "who wouldn't die for a Bullsh!t cause are cowards" are flaming Idiots. Of course those who have taken an oath like AndrewR or feel that they should just because they are called are exempt from my criticism and deserve a big "Attaboy". Just don't judge others who feel different about risking their lives for meaningless causes.
 

smartt

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Sep 27, 2000
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For most of us, we ARE the US. So why all the talk about US in the third person? This may not be a utopia, but it is still the best damn country in the world.

The only meaning for 'defending the US' would be defending our land. Which was the question at hand.

If it comes to me protecting my land, or my neighbor's land, pass the ammunition.

Semper Fi
 

FrancesBeansRevenge

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Jun 6, 2001
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Even though I no longer live in the US, and am now a Permanant Resident of Australia, I would still return to my country to fight AND die IF IT WERE BEING ATTACKED. If it were a situation like Korea, Vietnam, Gulf War, Somalia, Kosovo, etc etc than HELL NO I would just stay my ass in Oz :)
 

Dhruv

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May 15, 2001
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Funny you guys say you would fight but only if America (govt) didn't deserve to be invaded or didn't mettle in another nation's business. Well, They wouldn't be invaded if they didn't deserve to be or didn't meddle (the other reason they may be invaded is if they were weak, and we all know THAT isn't a viable explanation for an invasion attempt on U.S. soil). They are in the business of meddling with other peoples business as history has shown. The isolationist stance has been long gone now, we are actively seeking to further our benefits from one end of the earth to the other, whether that means helping Israel, bombing Iraq, bombing Yugoslavia, not aiding the Chechens (because of U.S. oil interests), bombing the Chinese embassy (accident? the most advanced military in the world REALLY uses maps 3+ years old??), bombing (illegally) Sudan, and Afghanistan (suspiciously at the same time of Clinton's impeachment). This is clearly an example of new imperialism. I'm not saying don't fight for this country, all i'm saying is where will you draw the line on what "we" started and what we didn't. How many degrees back will you go?

I personally think it is a more interesting question to ask a second generation natural citizen of the U.S. if they would fight their parent's homeland or not in a war between that nation and the U.S. (for whatever the reason of the war is) I don't know if you'll get an honest anwser (or even an answer) to that though.
 

Eli

Super Moderator | Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
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Yeah, right. I say let 'em attack us. Wouldn't bother me. I seriously doubt anyone would bother to nuke Oregon. ;)

 

SuperTool

Lifer
Jan 25, 2000
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Depends how you define defending the U.S.
If you mean fighting an invader on our soil, yes.
If it means fighting a war half the world away to keep gas prices low, or getting involved in other people's civil war, or fighting for capitalism, or trade, or other stupid stuff, then hell no.
 

kvelouria

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Jun 18, 2001
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I'm kind of a wuss, so I doubt I'd be much help defending. But if I thought my life would matter significantly, sure, I'd do it. I'd probably regret it, but I'd do it.
 

mastertech01

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Nov 13, 1999
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I have and I would again. Getting a little old for it now, but if the young boys wont do it then us older worn out veterans will rise up again and do it for you. And those who always have and always will serve our country from the easy chair in your living room with a bottle of beer, or a doobie and fat gut..thanks for all you do, even if its nothing but remind us that no matter who wins there will be someone there to whine and suck up the gravy from every one elses efforts. For those who have served in the military, for the military, supported the military, even if just a heart felt word of support and appreciation, I salute you and thank you. For all those abroad who say hell no, not for the US, all I can say is you better pray to God that we never do go down, for you will surely be next.

Dont you just love old geezerazzholes like me who are proud to have served our country.. when we all die you can laugh your way to hell. IMHO
 

Dhruv

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May 15, 2001
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<< Depends how you define defending the U.S.
If you mean fighting an invader on our soil, yes.
If it means fighting a war half the world away to keep gas prices low, or getting involved in other people's civil war, or fighting for capitalism, or trade, or other stupid stuff, then hell no.
>>



if we were 'invaded' it would almost certainly be because of one of the things you mentioned, or others. what, you think nation X would wake up one day thinking&quot;today would be a good day to invade THE MOST POWERFUL MILITARY in the world just for the hell of it.&quot;

Yeah... right. IF we get invaded it will be because of SOMETHING we did.
 

lowfatbaconboy

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Oct 21, 2000
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helllllll no
unless its another nazi type thing going on where there is a chance US might get invaded and horribly destroyed

but if its oh save the people from communism bit no way
 

perry

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Apr 7, 2000
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I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
--Voltaire
 

67gt500

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Jun 17, 2001
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If I were in the same squad as 67gt500 I think I would frag his sorry ass when he went to use the &quot;CAN&quot;. Gungho &quot;My Country Love it or Leave it Niedemeyers&quot; like him get others killed needlessly.



Prior to WWII a lot of Americans were saying the same thing most here are saying. Only if America was attacked. Well she was and they were lining up t join. I guaranty you the same thing would apply today. So all of you who are saying those &quot;who wouldn't die for a Bullsh!t cause are cowards&quot; are flaming Idiots. Of course those who have taken an oath like AndrewR or feel that they should just because they are called are exempt from my criticism and deserve a big &quot;Attaboy&quot;. Just don't judge others who feel different about risking their lives for meaningless causes.



Whatever Red Dawn. I'm sorry that I feel a sense of patriotism towards the country I was born in. Please forgive my moronic stance on this issue.

I'd certainly help this country if it was in need of help, even if that meant protecting YOUR freedoms to be an ahole to those who disagree with you.

Regardless of how pathetic you are, you are still an american. That is something that we share. So if going to war meant protecting you and the others who make a habit out of ridiculing the patriotic people here I would still do it.

I guess I'm just a fool. I'd still do it.
 

Elledan

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Jul 24, 2000
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I'm not an American citizen, so I'll see this question as 'Would you die for your country?'.

My answer is simple and short: no.

A country exists only out of ideas and ideals. Ideas and ideals I often don't agree with. I would not defend any country until I find one which is based on ideas and ideals I can agree with. Until then I'm simply an individual without a real home to return to and who'll 'fight' for creating an awareness of those other, maybe better than existing, ideas and ideals so that maybe one day I'll live in a world which I can accept. Until the dawn of that new time I'll just be a mere spectator of this world.
 

hans007

Lifer
Feb 1, 2000
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i'm figuring if it were a good reason i would. But based on the current government i figure the reason would be very stupid. So probably not, but if i felt it was worth it sure.
 

67gt500

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Jun 17, 2001
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Elledan,

I'm surprised somewhat in your response considering the netherlands and the United States came into being in moderately similar fashions with a common oppressor: the british.
 

dawks

Diamond Member
Oct 9, 1999
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What a waste. Some americans are actually worth something.. Why die for something so lame.
 

67gt500

Banned
Jun 17, 2001
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What a waste. Some americans are actually worth something.. Why die for something so lame.

Because if this was the attitude of the average colonist the country wouldn't exist today.