(Poll) Are you pro-war or anti-war

[DDCSpeed]

Are you pro-war or anti-war

Personally, I know everyone is very emotional about the attack but a war is not as easy as what people think.
I just learned on the news that Afghanistan will fight back and will retaliate any country who helps the U.S. attack them and most likely some country will not help the U.S. because of the potential retaliation. Also, some countries are not supporting the U.S. for the war
As this on going thread explains that some countries will not support the U.S. declaration of war I do not think that the world is behind the U.S. 100 percent for the war.


If it is war, what kind of war is it going to be? Land, sea, or air? There are too much details to go into war and much when when it comes to subjects such as what stage will our economy go into and how will it affect everyone's life. A war is much more complicated than it is and I urge people to think more about the pros and cons about the war subject.

I dont think that the U.S. is going to drop a atomic bomb or a hydrogen bomb to start and end the war all at once because the after effects are too great and the next generation do not derseve to grow up all very different because of radiation.

I know there might not be a peaceful resolution out of this so I ask this poll whether you support war or you are against war.

 

[DDCSpeed]

I forgot to say that

My heart goes out to everyone who has lost someone they love. Life is suck so appreciate one another while you still can.

The bible said eye for an eye and also said learn to forgive. What do you pick?

 

[Whitecloak]

pro-war

 

[Kelvrick]

Pro.

 

[Looney]

Pro-war.

There is no alternative, and i'm really disappointed to see so many anti-war. Being pro-war doesn't mean genocide or attacking the innocents... what it does mean is finally taking action. Being anti-war is cowardice, and is allowing these terrorists acts to perpetuate.

 

[weezergirl]

i am pro-war but one of my friends (who i highly respect for his opinion) had some interesting things to say about the subject.

"This was an absolute tragedy. Period. All those lives wiped out just
like that.. it's absolutely horrible.

War? Not the answer. It absolutely sickens me how Bush has responded
to all this. In fact, it's sickened me how many Americans have
responded to this - yes, many are in a state of pure
frustration/anger/fear/etc.. but goddamn.. you cannot think
rationally about your next step when so overcome by emotion.

The media has been disgusting. If anything they've made this into a
goddamn melodrama, creating all these fake over-the-top emotions,
making this utter cheese, robbing it of any real emotion. Not to
mention, it has been their horrendous reporting that has done nothing
but make Americans cry out for war (VERY IMPORTANT NOTE: There is
word going around that the footage CNN originally aired of
Palestinians celebrating in the street is actually footage from 1991
when Palestinians celebrated Iraq attacking Israelis - QUESTION
EVERYTHING YOU SEE, PEOPLE. I haven't seen the truth or falsity of
this confirmed either way, but it is possible. Media has often
manipulated public opinion like this - especially when it concerns
things that may be pro or anti-Israeli). Not to mention, keep in mind
that not all other countries have the same access to information as
we do - there are many foreign countries in which there is so much
government media censorship that the people could have been told the
WTC is a military base. Just keep these things in mind. The best
coverage I've seen at all on this has been from watching the BBC. I
also don't know if they aired on American media channels, but the BBC
aired video clips of Palestinians outside of the U.S. Embassy holding
up signs saying essentially something like "we're sorry, we know how
you feel, we are victims too," and have been leaving candles and
flowers.

Why did this happen? There's no doubt in my mind that it was because
of America's foreign policy. People have to begin learning the
distinction between "this was an ATTACK on America," and "this was
REVENGE on America." It is the latter. America has killed far more
innocents each year because of our foreign policy and
military/intelligence agency involvement in other countries. No, I am
NOT justifying the attack on the WTC. Not at all. People just have to
learn that if you treat others like crap, you're going to have to
expect it in return, plain and simple.

Osama Bin Laden. Straight to the tops of the suspect list. Maybe he
did it, maybe he didn't. Who knows. It's nearly impossible to ever
tell because of how those groups work - not by a leader giving each
person directions, but each group working individually. He has done
many absolutely horrible things in his time. Keep in mind though how
he got started - he was originally funded/trained by the CIA to screw
with Russia. He is America's creation. As is Saddam. It's funny how
terrorism and violence only seems to be horrid when not in perfect
alignment with this country's wishes. Also, keep in mind, Osama is
the top suspect because he is one of the few organizers of this sort
known to American intelligence agencies. For all we know it is
someone brand new who orchestrated this.

Bush's strong language has been absolutely frightening. Just the term
"act of war" has been ridiculous. This is not an act of war - it was
an act of terrorism. Was the Oklahoma City bombing an act of war? If
not, what distinguished the two? Only racial/ethnic bias. And this
talk about attacking also the country harboring these criminals.
HELLO? HAVE WE FORGOTTEN THAT HENRY KISSINGER LIVES LESS THAN A MILE
FROM ME? This is all completely irrational and plays into the
majority of Americans' sheer ignorance when it comes to anything
political.

This whole event has been extraordinary just in the way it has made
many people show their true colors. The racism that has come forth
has been shocking. If I hear one more person say "beloved patriot" or
"sand-great person" I'm going to break their goddamn face. Walking around
NYC I've seen many minorities just cower in fear when ordinary white
people look at them, many of these minorities buying and wearing
American flags purely out of this fear.

Overall, this whole event had been extremely convenient for the U.S.
Government. A country, once very skeptical of its president, is now
almost completely unified behind him. Other countries - previously
completely at odds with America (including our allies), are now fully
supporting the U.S. Bush comes from a long line of presidents who
just love the wartime economy (for it allows for government
intervention in the economy - the only true way to save it - without
seeming socialistic in any sense). Not to mention, we pretty much
have an excuse to blow the crap out of the Middle East. You have to
wonder if this wasn't just another Pearl Harbor in which the
government knew about an oncoming attack against its people but
allowed it to happen for political reasons.

This is a screwed up time we live in. I hope that we don't go to war,
though it seems inevitable at this point. Question U.S. foreign
policy. Question what you are shown."

 

[rival]

Tough to answer, depends on the circumstances at hand, right now, im anti war, sure these attacks should be punished, but the US needs to think out a plan for all this first, right now it seems like they're just gunna run in there and kill people and blow up a helluva lot of dirt...it wont stop terrorism

 

[AaronP]

yeah, being anti war in this case means letting them get away with it and keep doing sh*t to us without consequences.

 

[Gooberlx2]

It depends for me. I'm definitely pro-military action. But not necesarrily pro-war unless we know exactly the who's, how's, what's, why's and where's.

I'd be all for either solely american or joint military operations by small groups. "When in Rome...." I think we need to start fighting these conflicts with more than just all out invasion tactics, with huge forces moving on only a few fronts. (But of course I'm no military genius either)

 

[The Stigenator]

Weezergirl.. I concur with the person who wrote it...

I am anti-war and I dont care if the rest of the world kills me for it.

 

[bootymac]

neutral, and a bit on the anti-war side

 

[RagingGuardian]

<< yeah, being anti war in this case means letting them get away with it and keep doing sh*t to us without consequences >>



Every year innocent Americans are killed at their hands. Next year ir could be me, you or all of us. At some point something has to be done and I think the time is now. There are so many times you can allow someone to piss you of without retaliating.

 

[AaronP]

"I am anti-war and I dont care if the rest of the world kills me for it."
----

I think you'd better shave your head and go move to Tibet or something. It's people like you who allowed Germany to capture just about all of western Europe before the good guys finally rose up and stopped them.

 

[rival]

<< I think you'd better shave your head and go move to Tibet or something. It's people like you who allowed Germany to capture just about all of western Europe before the good guys finally rose up and stopped them. >>



uhh, what the hell? yes folks, completly harmless and scared civilians shouldnt let large armys take advantage of them, what the fork?

have you ever said anything educated?

 

[AaronP]

"have you ever said anything educated? "

yes, my educated guess is that you're a poopyhead.

 

[DDCSpeed]

If I learned my history well...I believe the Russians lost the war with ahfganistan ( too lazy to correct spelling ) and it is going to be a tough war for us too since the russians pretty much have everything (technology wise) we have.

 

[The Stigenator]

ddcspeed, its not just the russians.. but history says.. conficts like this.. the host country always wins..

LTTE vs, India and Sri Lanka combined.. India took heavy losses.. and backed away after a year.

Edit.. more like that are available if you want.

 

[Gooberlx2]

I do have to agree with certain points of weezergirl's post (or friend's comments). But I also disagree with others. It's not fair to expect every American to be so well versed on the foreign politics of this and every other country. We all have lives to live, and many of those lives just don't afford the time to keep up with what's going on in both this country and outside. Remember, before Teusday big topics in the news were stem cell research, online security and privacy, legalities of media distribution, etc. We're always being kept aware that there are situations out in the middle east, and we do know who the major players are. But so much of the news afforded to us doesn't go into so much detail. Of course the internet is an excellent resource for finding all this out, but much of America still does not have internet access, and even if it did, many people would have no clue as to where to start looking. That's why the newest generations are being considered the "globally aware" generations (X and younger IMO, not to say people of older generations aren't aware....well I hope you know what I mean)

I have to agree that the best, unbiased coverage came from BBC, as I did watch as much of that as I could; which unfortunately was only like 3 hours worth because only one channel in my area broadcasts that station for only a short segment in the entire day.

Also, this staement: You have to wonder if this wasn't just another Pearl Harbor in which the government knew about an oncoming attack against its people but allowed it to happen for political reasons. Sounds like it's being stated as fact rather than theory. In fact this is the lesser accepted theory. Many people find it hard to believe that FDR(?) would have wanted to enter the US into WWII with A) a loss and B) Half, more than half the damn navy incapacitated.

But the overall idea I have to agree with, you have scrutinize alot of information coming to you in the news when "war fever" has taken the populous, to get around the possible propaganda.

 

[whateverdude]

i want someone to f*cking pay for this, thats for damn sure, but...

im more with weezergirls' friend. we need to get past our obviously strong emotions before we take action to make sure we dont do something we will regret.

an all out assault will just make us feel better by going in and blowing some stuff up, whether or not we really get the people who did this.

as far as the palastinians dancing in the streets thing, ive been saying that it could be stock footage from the moment they showed that. you just cant always believe everything you see.

 

[trmiv]

I am pro "I don't want to see a tragedy like this ever again." If that means war, then so be it.

 

[Looney]

weezergirl,

Your friend is a lunatic, and a moron.

If anything they've made this into a
goddamn melodrama, creating all these fake over-the-top emotions,
making this utter cheese, robbing it of any real emotion

What the hell is this? I saw just as many 'over-the-top emotions' after the OK bombing... hell, i'm sure if i dig in my archive, i'll find some of the movies and slides i have of it. And he's having a problem when 5000+ people die?

There is
word going around that the footage CNN originally aired of
Palestinians celebrating in the street is actually footage from 1991
when Palestinians celebrated Iraq attacking Israelis

Yeah, and the only sources that this is coming from are non-credible internet sites. Supposedly some guy seen that before or has a copy of the same 1991 footage somewhere, yet you don't see this 'original' tape anywhere... you'd imagine if this guy that discovered that this was a fake would have distribute the 1991 event... but you don't. It was a lie that was spread, and morons like these pick it up... who do you believe, a network as large and as credible as CNN, or some anonymous website? Idiots.

Not to mention, keep in mind
that not all other countries have the same access to information as
we do - there are many foreign countries in which there is so much
government media censorship that the people could have been told the
WTC is a military base.

So what is he claiming here? That the terrorists that attacked the WTC mistaken it for a military base? Is he that stupid that he really thinks this argument is going to be believed by any of us?

People have to begin learning the
distinction between "this was an ATTACK on America," and "this was
REVENGE on America."

And this is a difference how? Does REVENGE make those deaths any less brutal than ATTACK? Does REVENGE make the response any different than an ATTACK?

America has killed far more
innocents each year because of our foreign policy and
military/intelligence agency involvement in other countries

And then he follows by:

No, I am
NOT justifying the attack on the WTC

Sure sounds like your justifying it... only reason why you stated that was to save your ass, but you are. Don't kid yourself.

It's funny how
terrorism and violence only seems to be horrid when not in perfect
alignment with this country's wishes

WTF is he yapping here? I doubt the CIA trained them to blow up buildings with innocents. Obviously he's twisted his own reading of history.

Just the term
"act of war" has been ridiculous. This is not an act of war - it was
an act of terrorism. Was the Oklahoma City bombing an act of war? If
not, what distinguished the two? Only racial/ethnic bias

Bullsh1t. He's seeing racism where he wants to see it. The first WTC bombing the US didn't declare an act of war. 2 embassies bombing and the US didn't declare it an act of war. The bombing of the USS Cole and the US didn't declare that an act of war. BUT, if you bomb a civilian center as large as the WTC and kill 5000+ people, and bomb a military headquarter like the Pentagon (lets not even mention what else would happened if the other plane didn't crash, or if the other terrorists who fled were able to board the plane), and you don't consider that an act of war? Give me a fvcking break.

The racism that has come forth
has been shocking. If I hear one more person say "beloved patriot" or
"sand-great person" I'm going to break their goddamn face. Walking around
NYC I've seen many minorities just cower in fear when ordinary white
people look at them, many of these minorities buying and wearing
American flags purely out of this fear

Well, the fact that you're trying to justify the attack and switch the blame from Bin Laden to the Israelis isn't going to help ease the hate.

You have to
wonder if this wasn't just another Pearl Harbor in which the
government knew about an oncoming attack against its people but
allowed it to happen for political reasons.


This is how warp you are... you really think switching the blame from this from Bin Laden, to the Israelis, to the US Foreign Policies, and now to the US Government is going to lessen the hate? You think insulting people while they're mourning, that their emotions are fake, you think that's going to lessen the hate for you? You're an idiot... and a dangerous idiot, because throughout your entire letter, your seething with hate. And you wonder why some Americans see a possible terrorist in your face when they look at you.

 

[Looney]

You know, all these people that are anti-war, NEVER provide a solution. I've asked this at least 20 times on this board these last few days, and i have not received a single answer other than from Mangos, who said we should sanction Afghanistan, but they're already sanctioned... so let me ask again,

WHAT OTHER ALTERNATIVE SOLUTIONS ARE THERE?

If you can answer that, and answer it with a viable solution, i'm sure you would win over a lot of the pro-war people... probably including me. But as of yet, i have not received a response. You guys are the dangerous ones... the anti-war are the ones that will be causing more deaths. You really think this maniac is going to stop attacking the US if you cower? He hasn't stop in a decade, what makes you think he's going to now?

 

[Johnnie]

WAR!!!!! They must pay for thier action!!!!

 

[spanky]

well...i am not usually pro-war becuz i like to hug trees and stuff...but someon's @ss needs to be kicked.

 

[Blayze]

I am anti war, although I agree that something must be done.

I guess the main reason I am anti war is I hate war, and if this war takes place it'll probably end up another vietnam or something and drag on for years.
I don't want to be drafted, etc...