POLL: Are you more, same, or less optimistic about the US' future than six months ago?

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Well I hope Israel does well, because once they launch a nuke no one , including the US, will sell them anything. They'll become economically isolated buy every nation in the world, including the US. If Israel decides to attack Iran, it had better take this into consideration, and choose how it does it carefully.

I agree and I believe that Israel is aware of how launching a nuke like that is basically suicide.

Also, Butterbean, you really ought to cease all of this fear mongering garbage. I don't care how or why you justify to yourself that it is not fear mongering. Everyone who ever participated in such things also justified to themselves that they are just spreading the "truth". Think about that.

Lastly, to anyone who believes that the election is going to be the cornerstone that determines America's fate in the near future is mistaken. While it will play a big part in where we go, there is so much more to the equation. Obviously that does not mean that one shouldn't consider the near future when deciding on who to vote for, but the point is to understand the big picture and do not set yourself up with false expectations. There is much work to be done by many people than just the president.

 

[ericlp]

I feel we are in dangerous times...

My Opinion is ... it really depends who we get elected in. If it's McCain I believe that we will continue to spiral down the same path bush has led. If it's Obama... I'm not sure if he should even be trusted to run the nation. I just don't have a good feeling for any of it. If I had to make the evil choice of the limitations that are before me I'd have to pick Obama, tho, it's not up to us to vote or ONE person is going to make a difference BS. No... For the people that think your vote is going count are obviously delusional. What about all the votes in florida that didn't get counted. What about people just going in and voting for their church? It's totally screwed and I'll have no part in a CF system. Not only that it's the electoral votes that choose the president not the people.

Good luck America ... You'll need it.

 

[Fern]

My concern/pessimism is not really USA-centric, but global.

High enrgy prices, food prices and dwindling resources in general make things look bad globally. Not to mention we're all tied together economically - like a bunch of dominoes.

Fern

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Butterbean

Originally posted by: Skoorb
And it won't be with nukes, it will be a giant motherfvcking massive water balloons carried up by great dirigibles the size of a city. They will drop the mediterranean sea directly on these facilties and flood them out.

Put the pipe down and clear the psychosis.

"ISRAEL has drawn up secret plans to destroy Iran?s uranium enrichment facilities with tactical nuclear weapons.

Two Israeli air force squadrons are training to blow up an Iranian facility using low-yield nuclear ?bunker-busters?, according to several Israeli military sources.

The attack would be the first with nuclear weapons since 1945, when the United States dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The Israeli weapons would each have a force equivalent to one-fifteenth of the Hiroshima bomb. "


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t...rld/article1290331.ece

Nukies are in the near future no matter what. Jimmy Carter Jr - erm - Obama - just makes it happen sooner.

Well I hope Israel does well, because once they launch a nuke no one , including the US, will sell them anything. They'll become economically isolated buy every nation in the world, including the US. If Israel decides to attack Iran, it had better take this into consideration, and choose how it does it carefully.

I feel that such an attack would be justified in the name of national security, and I know many others that agree. The US certainly wouldn't cut off military supplies and aid to Israel for it.

 

[PingSpike]

I think we have the capacity to solve or at least lessen many of our problems.

I also think that we won't use that capacity. We will just try to band aid the old setup with some short term fix again and keep the status quo rolling for another 10 years. Some one has to ram through solutions, but there are to many entrenched players and to much money flowing against it. It will have to get a lot worse before the country takes any meaningful change in direction from our current energy policy. I think the country is trying to coast into retirement and then vote for the working generation to pay for the mess. Of course, that never really had any chance of working, but "I'll figure it out later" seems to be the American system now.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Butterbean

Originally posted by: Skoorb
And it won't be with nukes, it will be a giant motherfvcking massive water balloons carried up by great dirigibles the size of a city. They will drop the mediterranean sea directly on these facilties and flood them out.

Put the pipe down and clear the psychosis.

"ISRAEL has drawn up secret plans to destroy Iran?s uranium enrichment facilities with tactical nuclear weapons.

Two Israeli air force squadrons are training to blow up an Iranian facility using low-yield nuclear ?bunker-busters?, according to several Israeli military sources.

The attack would be the first with nuclear weapons since 1945, when the United States dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The Israeli weapons would each have a force equivalent to one-fifteenth of the Hiroshima bomb. "


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t...rld/article1290331.ece

Nukies are in the near future no matter what. Jimmy Carter Jr - erm - Obama - just makes it happen sooner.

Well I hope Israel does well, because once they launch a nuke no one , including the US, will sell them anything. They'll become economically isolated buy every nation in the world, including the US. If Israel decides to attack Iran, it had better take this into consideration, and choose how it does it carefully.

I feel that such an attack would be justified in the name of national security, and I know many others that agree. The US certainly wouldn't cut off military supplies and aid to Israel for it.

You might not, but the vast majority don't want nukes to be used however personally justified you might feel it is. Israel nukes Iran, it toasts itself.

The gun always points both ways.

 

[Engineer]

With some of the reports from a meeting today from my company's new CEO, I would now like to change my view to much less optimistic than 6 month ago. I originally voted about the same.

Might just be time, after 16 years, to start over somewhere else.....*sigh*

 

[miketheidiot]

generally i'm modeately optimistic in the short term and extremely optimistic in the long term, as opposed to 6 months ago

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Engineer
With some of the reports from a meeting today from my company's new CEO, I would now like to change my view to much less optimistic than 6 month ago. I originally voted about the same.

Might just be time, after 16 years, to start over somewhere else.....*sigh*

and so tomorrow morning starts off with a phone interview.....and we'll go from there. Maybe optimism can return....

 

[PrinceofWands]

Less on everything you list, though slightly more on issues of self-defense after the Heller and Horn cases.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Engineer
With some of the reports from a meeting today from my company's new CEO, I would now like to change my view to much less optimistic than 6 month ago. I originally voted about the same.

Might just be time, after 16 years, to start over somewhere else.....*sigh*

Bummer. Maybe look at it as an opportunity - or whatever publicist-speak is appropriate...

 

[StageLeft]

ButterBean I'm sure israel has plans to nuke those facilities just as the US probably has plans to annex Canada if it had to or send Britney spears to get forced sterilization. Potential plans don't equal likely plans. I find it exceedingly unlikely Israel will use nukes so that Iran...doesn't get nukes to attack it with. You think the US is looked at badly now wait until Israel nukes Iran. That'll go down like a lead balloon. Won't happen and isn't necessary.

GL, Engineer, that's too bad but if you're already trying to see the silver lining, that's pretty good.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
ButterBean I'm sure israel has plans to nuke those facilities just as the US probably has plans to annex Canada if it had to or send Britney spears to get forced sterilization. Potential plans don't equal likely plans. I find it exceedingly unlikely Israel will use nukes so that Iran...doesn't get nukes to attack it with. You think the US is looked at badly now wait until Israel nukes Iran. That'll go down like a lead balloon. Won't happen and isn't necessary.

GL, Engineer, that's too bad but if you're already trying to see the silver lining, that's pretty good.

Now this is the best idea yet. I propose a national referendum. Something we can all get behind.

And, not to worry, we can still entertain fud about the world's dangers simultaneously.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I won't post my opinions in the first post in an effort to avoid any knee-jerk bias from people perusing comments, so please answer and then read the thread

Optimism is best in down times because it will eventually improve.

Just like during good times you'll have a share of pessimists claiming it's all going to hell eventually.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Less on everything you list, though slightly more on issues of self-defense after the Heller and Horn cases.

You're going to need self-defense after SHTF as oil escalates as our once affluent cities will be laid waste and those with means will flee to relatives in rural areas and form defensive perimeters along with farming co-ops. City buildings OTOH will be stripped of copper, glass anything of value and popping up will be armies of beggars and killers. The crime rate will soar. Some will form defense cooperatives for awile but without food or clean water they will succumb to the onslaught.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Less on everything you list, though slightly more on issues of self-defense after the Heller and Horn cases.

You're going to need self-defense after SHTF as oil escalates as our once affluent cities will be laid waste and those with means will flee to relatives in rural areas and form defensive perimeters along with farming co-ops. City buildings OTOH will be stripped of copper, glass anything of value and popping up will be armies of beggars and killers. The crime rate will soar. Some will form defense cooperatives for awile but without food or clean water they will succumb to the onslaught.

I believe it will happen slowly at first as the masses, in disbelief, expect help from a government that hasn't the will or more importantly the means. Police will start skipping shifts to stay at home and protect their family. Carjackings will become common place, home invasions and street-killings the norm as opposed to the exception. Within 60 days unemployment will be over 50%, 60 days again complete anarchy. As desperation for survival takes precedence over morality the country will become a wasteland ruled by gas-craved gangs ran by merciless thugs. As the food runs out and cannibalism sets in hope will be a rare resource and finally the WoW servers will be taken down, nobody around to support them. That will harken end times.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Less on everything you list, though slightly more on issues of self-defense after the Heller and Horn cases.

You're going to need self-defense after SHTF as oil escalates as our once affluent cities will be laid waste and those with means will flee to relatives in rural areas and form defensive perimeters along with farming co-ops. City buildings OTOH will be stripped of copper, glass anything of value and popping up will be armies of beggars and killers. The crime rate will soar. Some will form defense cooperatives for awile but without food or clean water they will succumb to the onslaught.

I believe it will happen slowly at first as the masses, in disbelief, expect help from a government that hasn't the will or more importantly the means. Police will start skipping shifts to stay at home and protect their family. Carjackings will become common place, home invasions and street-killings the norm as opposed to the exception. Within 60 days unemployment will be over 50%, 60 days again complete anarchy. As desperation for survival takes precedence over morality the country will become a wasteland ruled by gas-craved gangs ran by merciless thugs. As the food runs out and cannibalism sets in hope will be a rare resource and finally the WoW servers will be taken down, nobody around to support them. That will harken end times.

That damn Mel Gibson will be a prophet when "The Road Warrior" becomes true...lol!

 

[WhipperSnapper]

I was pessimistic six months ago but I'm even more pessimistic now that $4 gasoline is a reality and one that is here to stay if not worsen.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Engineer
With some of the reports from a meeting today from my company's new CEO, I would now like to change my view to much less optimistic than 6 month ago. I originally voted about the same.

Might just be time, after 16 years, to start over somewhere else.....*sigh*

and so tomorrow morning starts off with a phone interview.....and we'll go from there. Maybe optimism can return....

Great job, company and working details....but 50% "REQUIRED" travel killed it for me!

Too bad....optimism down for today.

 

[mxyzptlk]

I should say about the same, but really i have no hope for the country, or western, corporatist society in general. It seems to me to be running full speed in the wrong direction, but instead of slowing down or changing course, we're actually accelerating and spreading this system to the rest of the world. People? (im not sure who i mean by 'people' here.. i guess the ones in charge) are afraid of china, but to me it seems that their only offense is being better at laissez-faire capitalism than the other western nations. The "human rights atrocities" that everyone gets their panties in a bunch about is just what every corporation would do if it were out to protect its bottom line at all costs, but without pesky things like regulations and oversight.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

I was pessimistic six months ago but I'm even more pessimistic now that $4 gasoline is a reality and one that is here to stay if not worsen.

Newsflash. Forget about the good ol' days of $4.00/gallon. As of this morning I've seen local gas stations here in the Detroit area posting a record price of $4.25/gallon.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

I was pessimistic six months ago but I'm even more pessimistic now that $4 gasoline is a reality and one that is here to stay if not worsen.

Newsflash. Forget about the good ol' days of $4.00/gallon. As of this morning I've seen local gas stations here in the Detroit area posting a record price of $4.25/gallon.

i still think it will drop and is a bubble although admittedly my confidence in that is not as much as it was because this really is dragging out now.

 

[Red Dawn]

8 years ago could any of us imagine our country would be like this. It now seems it was the best of times when the most pressing issue was that our President lied about getting a blow job from some fatty.