Bobarfett
So how would you propose allowing prayer in school that is completely non-denominational and doesn't discriminate or create a hostile atmosphere for those who have different religious views than the predominant ones?
or do you instead propose that there be a "state sanctioned" religion that should be taught in school even if some students have other/non religious convictions?
So how would you propose allowing prayer in school that is completely non-denominational and doesn't discriminate or create a hostile atmosphere for those who have different religious views than the predominant ones?
or do you instead propose that there be a "state sanctioned" religion that should be taught in school even if some students have other/non religious convictions?
Bobarfett
Wow, so you equate religion as being of similar importance to things like clothes, sports, and cars?
That's amazing.... cause you are a theist right? Wouldn't you be amazed that there are theists out there who would want you silenced for saying "blasphemous" things like Religion equates in any way to those other things.
If you haven't run into an old-school hard core bible thumper, you are really in for a rude awakening brother.
Wow, so you equate religion as being of similar importance to things like clothes, sports, and cars?
That's amazing.... cause you are a theist right? Wouldn't you be amazed that there are theists out there who would want you silenced for saying "blasphemous" things like Religion equates in any way to those other things.
If you haven't run into an old-school hard core bible thumper, you are really in for a rude awakening brother.
Why are you such a flame monkey?
You sound like you want to take away the right of a citizen of this country to practice their religion. That's in direct violation of the first amendment.
I don't want my tax dollars paying for it. If it's a public school then my tax dollars would be utilized to indoctrinate children in a bunch of religious propoganda.
And you call other people fascists.
You sound like you want to take away the right of a citizen of this country to practice their religion. That's in direct violation of the first amendment.
I don't want my tax dollars paying for it. If it's a public school then my tax dollars would be utilized to indoctrinate children in a bunch of religious propoganda.
And you call other people fascists.
You still haven't answered my question.... who is going to determine what and how gets practiced?
Is it going to be a moment of silence?
Is it going to be a class led prayer?
If the majority of people in a school want it will there be prayer services before meals are eaten?
These things tend to have a way of snowballing.
Practice your religion in your home or church... not in a publicly funded educational institution.
Is it going to be a moment of silence?
Is it going to be a class led prayer?
If the majority of people in a school want it will there be prayer services before meals are eaten?
These things tend to have a way of snowballing.
Practice your religion in your home or church... not in a publicly funded educational institution.
BoberFett
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Apparently that skull is too thick for anything to break the surface.
<< You still haven't answered my question.... who is going to determine what and how gets practiced? >>
Nobody. Schools are not allowed to promote religion.
<< Is it going to be a moment of silence? >>
See above.
<< Is it going to be a class led prayer? >>
See above.
<< If the majority of people in a school want it will there be prayer services before meals are eaten? >>
See above.
<< These things tend to have a way of snowballing. >>
No they don't. See above.
<< Practice your religion in your home or church... not in a publicly funded educational institution. >>
Here you go again. Ordering someone that they cannot practice their religion is infringing on first amendment rights. You're really pretty dense aren't you?
<< You still haven't answered my question.... who is going to determine what and how gets practiced? >>
Nobody. Schools are not allowed to promote religion.
<< Is it going to be a moment of silence? >>
See above.
<< Is it going to be a class led prayer? >>
See above.
<< If the majority of people in a school want it will there be prayer services before meals are eaten? >>
See above.
<< These things tend to have a way of snowballing. >>
No they don't. See above.
<< Practice your religion in your home or church... not in a publicly funded educational institution. >>
Here you go again. Ordering someone that they cannot practice their religion is infringing on first amendment rights. You're really pretty dense aren't you?
And how exactly would you propose to stop a student from quietly praying before lunch, or in their head during class, and such? Are you going to have patrols in the hallways cracking down on unapproved speech? Who's the fascist now?
Napalm
You are so full of it.
There are no laws and will be no laws to prevent students doing what they want to do in their own time.
The issue at hand and what has been debated several times by congress is whether it is constitutionally legal for ORGANIZED school prayer.
I could care less whether they pray to Buddha or write letters to santa clause in their own time.
You are so full of it.
There are no laws and will be no laws to prevent students doing what they want to do in their own time.
The issue at hand and what has been debated several times by congress is whether it is constitutionally legal for ORGANIZED school prayer.
I could care less whether they pray to Buddha or write letters to santa clause in their own time.
The problem with that position is it becomes a gray area as to what "promotion" is vs. what "allowing" is.
School faculty has a long history of trying to promote school prayer and then claim that they were simply "allowing" it. There are mucho lawsuits to back me up on this one.
Is allowing students to get up in class for a prayer "promotion" or is it just letting them do what they want to do. I would call that "promotion" and say that it shouldn't be allowed.
Is providing school resources (classrooms, computers, etc) for religious groups considered "promotion" or is it just letting students do what they want to do?
If you want to allow the above things than as far as I am concerned you ought to let the <insert religious type or satanism here> students use classrooms and computers and hold a seance too.
School faculty has a long history of trying to promote school prayer and then claim that they were simply "allowing" it. There are mucho lawsuits to back me up on this one.
Is allowing students to get up in class for a prayer "promotion" or is it just letting them do what they want to do. I would call that "promotion" and say that it shouldn't be allowed.
Is providing school resources (classrooms, computers, etc) for religious groups considered "promotion" or is it just letting students do what they want to do?
If you want to allow the above things than as far as I am concerned you ought to let the <insert religious type or satanism here> students use classrooms and computers and hold a seance too.
Why don't you try stating your position and trying to back it up with logic rather than hurling insults at people?
Is it because you don't have a leg to stand on?
Is it because you don't have a leg to stand on?
<< Is providing school resources (classrooms, computers, etc) for religious groups considered "promotion" or is it just letting students do what they want to do? >>
Most, if not all, public schools already allow religiously oriented school groups to use their facilities. How many high schools out there don't have FCA and some sort of bible study group? I haven't heard any sort of court case banning these, primarily because there aren't any.
<< If you want to allow the above things than as far as I am concerned you ought to let the <insert religious type or satanism here> students use classrooms and computers and hold a seance too. >>
Nowhere did BoberFett or I say that we should have a school promoted/sanctioned religion. Once your reading skills rise above that of a fourth grader, you'll be able to comprehend that.
[edit] I stated my position early in the thread. Try this whole reading concept out. You'll like it.
Most, if not all, public schools already allow religiously oriented school groups to use their facilities. How many high schools out there don't have FCA and some sort of bible study group? I haven't heard any sort of court case banning these, primarily because there aren't any.
That's just flat out wrong. There are many, many school districts and some states (CO being one of them) that won't allow school property to be used for any kind of religious activity.
There are numerous lawsuits by parents of students going to schools that have forced them to discontinue this practice.
There was one, recently, where a texas school was sued for allowing a bible study group to have access to the library or some other school room after hours.
That's just flat out wrong. There are many, many school districts and some states (CO being one of them) that won't allow school property to be used for any kind of religious activity.
There are numerous lawsuits by parents of students going to schools that have forced them to discontinue this practice.
There was one, recently, where a texas school was sued for allowing a bible study group to have access to the library or some other school room after hours.
OK, so *some* schools prohibit it. Not all. Not exactly what I would call a clear cut situation.
You still have not accounted for the fact that you utterly and completely missed the point of BoberFett's posts. Once again, reading comprehension is clearly not one of your finer points.
<< The issue at hand and what has been debated several times by congress is whether it is constitutionally legal for ORGANIZED school prayer. >>
Precisely. And you came in and started putting things into BoberFett's mouth that he NEVER SAID.
You still have not accounted for the fact that you utterly and completely missed the point of BoberFett's posts. Once again, reading comprehension is clearly not one of your finer points.
<< The issue at hand and what has been debated several times by congress is whether it is constitutionally legal for ORGANIZED school prayer. >>
Precisely. And you came in and started putting things into BoberFett's mouth that he NEVER SAID.
Napalm,
I invite you to show me an instance where I put words in anyone's mouth.
I wrote QUESTIONS to Boberfett about how he felt school prayer should be handled based on his asanine comparisons between school prayer and things like sports and cars.
Last time I checked asking someone to clarify their point does not amount to putting words in their mouth.
Get your facts straight before you start spewing crap.
I invite you to show me an instance where I put words in anyone's mouth.
I wrote QUESTIONS to Boberfett about how he felt school prayer should be handled based on his asanine comparisons between school prayer and things like sports and cars.
Last time I checked asking someone to clarify their point does not amount to putting words in their mouth.
Get your facts straight before you start spewing crap.
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