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Poll: Are the Russians involved in Venuzuela??

Is Russia interfering with Venezuela?

  • Yes

    Votes: 33 86.8%

  • No

    Votes: 5 13.2%
  • Total voters
    38
HomerJS

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As posted by Alien...

Trump also said this about Putin on the call today...

"He is not looking at all to get involved in Venezuela, other than he’d like to see something positive happen," Trump told reporters in the Oval Office on Friday. "I feel the same way.

and just 2 days ago, SOS Pompeo said this...

"We've watched throughout the day, it's been a long time since anyone's seen Maduro," "He had an airplane on the tarmac, he was ready to leave this morning as we understand it and the Russians indicated he should stay." "He was headed for Havana,"

More evidence of Russian troops in Venezuela
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-venezuela-troops-back-up-nicolas-maduro-mike-pompeo-warning/

Yet Trump claims Russia in not involved in Venezuela


My interpretation of English gets me this

Pompeo: Russians are involved and interfering in Venezuela
Trump: Russians are not involved in Venezuela

Maybe a poll can clean this up
 
The Russians have picked sides the same the way U.S. has. The level of interference from both sides is unknowable at this point.
 
Turmp is getting played like either the idiot or the willing Putin fluffer he is. We can only hope that someone finds the dress he wore while Putin blasted him in the face so maybe then Republicans will give a shit about such a subservient prostitute holding that office, but then we know they're just as big of whores as Turmp is.

glenn1 said:
The Russians have picked sides the same the way U.S. has. The level of interference from both sides is unknowable at this point.
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I don't know, Russia is outright admitting they've sent troops there now, so they're not even trying to hide their involvement any more. Seems like we have a pretty good idea of what level of interference they're partaking in based on Ukraine and Syria.
 
I’d assume they are, just don’t know to what degree. US as well, hell maybe China too. Big government’s love to interfere in smaller nation's shit and it always turns out fabulous. CIA spooks and the KGB fostering revolutions over the past half century has helped turn Latin America into a top notch first world place to live 😡
 
glenn1 said:
The Russians have picked sides the same the way U.S. has. The level of interference from both sides is unknowable at this point.
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As if brutal sanctions aren't interference. As if we weren't talking about John fucking Bolton, a Neocon war monger & Imperialist who argues for the oxymoron that we can spread Democracy at gunpoint. I doubt he actually respects Democracy at all. What he really wants are more military options-

https://www.businessinsider.com/paul-selva-john-bolton-aides-meeting-venezuela-2019-5

Bolton, a foreign-policy hawk, and other members of the Trump administration have stressed that "all options were on the table" when it came to dealing with Maduro.
"We're doing a lot of other things, some of which I'm not going to talk about," Bolton told reporters Wednesday.
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Its all bullshit Fox story to make Venezuela a socialist country to complain out for the elections when in reality it's just a dictatorship. No one cares.
 
OP should have made votes public so we could out the Russian trolls among us!
 
Oh come on, now 2 of you don't have the stones to admit you think Trump tells the truth.

We can all see the yellow going down your spines
 
Some significant points of my own knowledge are drawn from facts and the inferences I can make from them. I have been able to predict, for instance, the so-called "Russian Hoax". That is, I concluded that either Trump's campaign, the Russians, or both parties were engaging in a psy-war campaign early in the 2016 election campaign. I made that conclusion by the end of January, 2016, almost a year before FBI and CIA revealed just the tip of the iceberg in the Russian efforts. I drew my conclusion from the dual school terror-hoax events that preceded two major debates of the campaign just days before the debates were scheduled, and the dates and times of those debates were known to all weeks in advance.

The Cold War never really ended. There was a lull with Yeltsin. Then there was some hope for a "reset" with Medvedev -- who we know now was controlled by Putin. The rest, we should fully understand from the available news, and I'm not going to lay it all out for the reader.

The Russians have a long history of meddling in Latin American affairs to turn as many nations toward themselves and away from us as possible. Look at Cuba, Cuban insurgents in Bolivia, the history of CIA involvement in overthrowing Chile's Allende to prop up a fascist like Pinochet, and troubles elsewhere in the Caribbean. The Monroe Doctrine was always threatened by the Russian efforts. And if you lived during the Cuban Missile Crisis, you should remember the particulars.

De'Tocqueville in "Democracy in America" written during the 19th century predicted that the US and Russia would emerge as two great competing superpowers, and he was right. George Kennan, who wrote the white paper for the JCS that defined American strategic doctrine during the Cold War, also remarked that the problem with the Soviets (Russians) was not their communism per se, but the mere fact that they were Russians, with a long history of autocracy and motives evolving from D'Tocqueville's prediction. Yet, during the Cold War, we were subjected to the parallel argument that the major threat was Soviet communism and a "world communist conspiracy" -- what CIA's James Angleton called the "Monster Plot". Angleton was paranoid -- clinically speaking -- but this was still the inclination of thought which got us stuck in Vietnam and involved in brushfire wars in Latin America and around the world.

If the CIA says that the Russians are involved in Venezuela, I believe it. They continued to support Castro and his brother after the transformation from USSR to Commonwealth of Independent States, just as they continued their alliance with the DPRK and Little Kim. They had an ongoing relationship with Chavez, Maduro's predecessor. And as someone already said, they've picked sides like everyone else -- this time together with Iran aligning on behalf of Maduro. If they used covert operators in taking over Crimea and waging war in eastern Ukraine, no telling what sort of assistance they've provided to the Maduro regime, but you can bet they've been giving assistance.
 
What good is a poll for something like this? I don't get it. You're not reaching a determination with evidence by simply asking people this question.
 
Ichinisan said:
What good is a poll for something like this? I don't get it. You're not reaching a determination with evidence by simply asking people this question.
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Perhaps the OP wanted to see how many people believe Trump as opposed to our "deep state" national security agencies. Or conversely, how many people believe the news as provided to us, and how many people only believe whatever drivel comes from Trump at the moment with each successive Tweet.
 
Perknose said:
"Interesting" conspiracy theory that the Russians were behind the failed "coup." Take it with as many grains of salt as you need to. 😉
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https://apnews.com/782830e0f8bb4feea3d2f35561a2f5af

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) — Around May 2017, an unusual request from a prominent Venezuelan general made its way to the White House: Gen. Ivan Hernández, head of both the presidential guard and military counterintelligence, wanted to send his 3-year-old son to Boston for brain surgery and needed visas for his family.

After days of internal debate, the still young Trump administration rejected the request, seeing no point in helping a senior member of a socialist government that it viewed as corrupt and thuggish but wasn’t yet prepared to confront.

That decision, revealed to The Associated Press by a former U.S. official and another person familiar with the internal discussions, might have gone unnoticed if National Security Adviser John Bolton hadn’t admonished Hernandez this week on live TV as one of three regime insiders who backed out of a plan — allegedly at the last minute — to topple President Nicolás Maduro.

It might also have been one of several missed opportunities to curry favor with Venezuela’s normally impenetrable armed forces.

much better story
 
This is you.
Handing over the keys.
To Vlad.

Cause Trump has a hard on for Putin...
Well Id be impressed if he can muster anything but a semi, but you get the point.

How fucking stupid can you be ... Also this new bout of tarriffs! ... dont you fucking see that he is conditioning the world order to rid itself of America? As center of trade, economy and as an ally.
The Vlad Puppet is tearing you down.
 
BonzaiDuck said:
Perhaps the OP wanted to see how many people believe Trump as opposed to our "deep state" national security agencies. Or conversely, how many people believe the news as provided to us, and how many people only believe whatever drivel comes from Trump at the moment with each successive Tweet.
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winna
 
glenn1 said:
The Russians have picked sides the same the way U.S. has. The level of interference from both sides is unknowable at this point.
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This, but with the addition that for every billion dollars we spend there Russia will spend $10,000 and get 1000X the positive results, at least as long as Trump and his gang of fools are setting strategy.
 
I believe they are...

However a lot of this concern is over how many Oil exporting countries sell their oil requiring the purchaser to use dollars which is very important to prop up the U.S. currency since the gold standard is no longer used.

Petrodollars and the System that Created It
Will the Petrodollar Collapse?

If enough Oil exporting countries stop selling oil our the U.S. dollar many believe it would have a harmful effect on the U.S. economic situation an example being increased interest rates on U.S. debt which of course would be felt buy U.S. consumers.

Venezuela Stops Accepting Dollars for Oil Payments Following U.S. Sanctions
Oil traders have begun converting their invoices to euros

^^^^From the WSJ^^^^ most of the article is behind a pay wall but the since Venezuela has moved away from the Petro Dollar we consider them an economic threat.

Now we should know that the situation in Venezuela is not as simple as Maduro is Tywin Lannister and that Guaido is a the real world version of Ned Stark.

It's a lot more complicated than that and there are no white hats or black hats like in the old style Cowboy movies but just nations with competing economic interests and very likely willing to engage in shens to protect those interests.

For instance an interesting question would be how much did the sanctions damage the Venezuela economy so that it's people suffered compared to any mismanagement by Maduro?

But yeah Russia will offer any help to any country producing oil that moves away from the Petro Dollar...

obviously


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