Poll: Anyone looking to get rid of their PS3 because of the breach?

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Are you going to get rid of or stop using your PS3 due to the breach?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Thinking about it, but not sure yet.

  • Already got rid of it.


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Justinian

Junior Member
Apr 19, 2011
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No. This kind of thing could have happened (and has happened) to any major corporation. It just happens that the target was Sony this time. I'll change my password and everything once PSN is up and running. But it'll just be business as usual.
 

sanzen07

Senior member
Feb 15, 2007
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No, that would be stupid. I'll just change my password when it comes back online. What I will do, however, is never give Sony my credit card information ever again. PSN cards only from now on if I plan to get anything on PSN.
 

simonizor

Golden Member
Feb 8, 2010
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Don't even have a PS3 and I voted no. Sony is a huge company; they aren't going to let a small mess like this hurt them. They'll clean it up, compensate anyone who's been hurt by it, and all will be good as new.
 

Gheris

Senior member
Oct 24, 2005
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Don't even have a PS3 and I voted no. Sony is a huge company; they aren't going to let a small mess like this hurt them. They'll clean it up, compensate anyone who's been hurt by it, and all will be good as new.

The fact that you think this is a small mess totally invalidates your point. You think Sony is just going to throw money at everyone affected by this? In the real world things don't happen that way.
 

DaveSimmons

Elite Member
Aug 12, 2001
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Maybe if my 360 had a blu-ray drive and let me stream Netflix without paying for Live Gold.

So no, I'm keeping the PS3.
 

dpodblood

Diamond Member
May 20, 2010
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No. And luckily I've never entered my CC info into PSN. As others have said I will buy PSN cards for any downloadable content I want.
 

simonizor

Golden Member
Feb 8, 2010
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The fact that you think this is a small mess totally invalidates your point. You think Sony is just going to throw money at everyone affected by this? In the real world things don't happen that way.

Compared to what Sony has been through in the past, this is a very small mess.
 

Malak

Lifer
Dec 4, 2004
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They got hacked, they didn't breach my trust. Same has happened on your PC and your Xbox. I switched from Xbox to PS3 because Microsoft did breach my trust.
 

Duder1no

Senior member
Nov 1, 2010
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I am pissed about the network down but will this make me buy an xbox OR sell my PS3?

No.

All I want is PSN back up ASAP.
 

KentState

Diamond Member
Oct 19, 2001
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Never used a CC with them, but this will put a damper on me buying their next system. Hopefully MS will some how get MLB.TV on their next system.
 

raasco

Platinum Member
Feb 6, 2009
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When is the safest time to eat at a restaurant? After a health inspection.
When is the safest time to join the PSN? After a security breach.

I'll stick with them, but a little loyalty bonus tossed my way wouldn't hurt either.
 

Bill Brasky

Diamond Member
May 18, 2006
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No, but I only use my ps3 for a media server and blueray player. I do all my gaming on the PC now.
 

hans030390

Diamond Member
Feb 3, 2005
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They got hacked, they didn't breach my trust. Same has happened on your PC and your Xbox. I switched from Xbox to PS3 because Microsoft did breach my trust.

I usually sell my PC every time I get a virus. I mean, sometimes, people can get my personal information from these kind of things! I just can't trust Microsoft with Windows! *sarcasm*

I understand that Sony has done some dumb things recently and in the past, but I'm not looking for a scapegoat here. The hackers are to blame for this, not Sony. People think it's Sony's fault because they made people angry, hence the hacking. That's stupid. The next time someone calls you a mean name, are you going to punch them in the face and then blame them for the fact that you punched them in the face? No. You are in control of your actions. Sony might not be the most respectable company around, but I'm not selling my system because someone hacked into the PSN. It could happen to any company.

BTW, I only quoted you because I agree with you.
 

Justinian

Junior Member
Apr 19, 2011
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No. And luckily I've never entered my CC info into PSN. As others have said I will buy PSN cards for any downloadable content I want.

My only issue with PSN cards is that you almost always have to buy a card amount that's worth more than the total amount of the product(s) that you want to purchase. Which was the primary reason why I always used my credit card, because I would only be paying the exact amount and not worry about having any money left over just sitting in my account.

I wonder if I could use a Visa Gift card as a workaround...
 

Pandora's Box

Senior member
Apr 26, 2011
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My only issue with PSN cards is that you almost always have to buy a card amount that's worth more than the total amount of the product(s) that you want to purchase. Which was the primary reason why I always used my credit card, because I would only be paying the exact amount and not worry about having any money left over just sitting in my account.

I wonder if I could use a Visa Gift card as a workaround...

yup same thing goes for xbox live points too, your always left with an amount, cant ever get it to zero.
 

BD2003

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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I usually sell my PC every time I get a virus. I mean, sometimes, people can get my personal information from these kind of things! I just can't trust Microsoft with Windows! *sarcasm*

I understand that Sony has done some dumb things recently and in the past, but I'm not looking for a scapegoat here. The hackers are to blame for this, not Sony. People think it's Sony's fault because they made people angry, hence the hacking. That's stupid. The next time someone calls you a mean name, are you going to punch them in the face and then blame them for the fact that you punched them in the face? No. You are in control of your actions. Sony might not be the most respectable company around, but I'm not selling my system because someone hacked into the PSN. It could happen to any company.

BTW, I only quoted you because I agree with you.

If someone leaves a door unlocked and gets robbed, its the robber to blame, but they didnt exactly make it more difficult for them. Its sony's job to make sure this doesnt happen. It could happen to any company, and attempts are made at everyone every day, but the fact of the matter is that they were successful against Sony. Theyre culpable for letting it happen. Their protection failed. It shouldnt have to fail before they properly secure their network that holds MY information that I've entrusted to them.

I dont know what laws exist to protect us from companies that dont do a good job of protecting customer's information, but there should be some if there arent. In this day and age, there should be consequences for allowing this to happen, especially on this kind of scale. Of course the criminals should be pursued, but Sony and other companies in this position need to be held accountable beyond having to give a public apology.
 
Oct 20, 2005
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I myself plan on just buying PSN credits in the future for any DLC.

I will not be willing to directly give them my credit card info in any way in the near future.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but unfortunately I think you will get taxed twice by doing that.

When you buy the PSN card from the B&M store, you get taxed. Then when you buy online from the PSN store, they charge you tax again.
 

hans030390

Diamond Member
Feb 3, 2005
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If someone leaves a door unlocked and gets robbed, its the robber to blame, but they didnt exactly make it more difficult for them. Its sony's job to make sure this doesnt happen. It could happen to any company, and attempts are made at everyone every day, but the fact of the matter is that they were successful against Sony. Theyre culpable for letting it happen. Their protection failed. It shouldnt have to fail before they properly secure their network that holds MY information that I've entrusted to them.

I dont know what laws exist to protect us from companies that dont do a good job of protecting customer's information, but there should be some if there arent. In this day and age, there should be consequences for allowing this to happen, especially on this kind of scale. Of course the criminals should be pursued, but Sony and other companies in this position need to be held accountable beyond having to give a public apology.

You know that there's no such thing as something being 100% secure, right? Hackers will always find a way to get past the current best form of security. That's why security is constantly evolving. Sony could have had the best security system possible in place. They could have tried their absolute best to secure this information. But, even then, someone still could have figured out a way to hack into their system.

You really think Sony took personal information security lightly? I highly doubt a company of that size and importance, even if they're douche bags, wouldn't take strong measures in that area.
 

Thraxen

Diamond Member
Dec 3, 2001
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You really think Sony took personal information security lightly? I highly doubt a company of that size and importance, even if they're douche bags, wouldn't take strong measures in that area.

Taking it seriously isn't the same as knowing what you're doing. You need merely look at the enormous blunder they made with the security of their private signing keys, something they surely took seriously, to see they may not be the best at actually implementing security measures. It's true we don't know yet how this happened, but another security gaffe by Sony wouldn't surprise me in the least. Would it honestly surprise you?
 

BD2003

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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You know that there's no such thing as something being 100% secure, right? Hackers will always find a way to get past the current best form of security. That's why security is constantly evolving. Sony could have had the best security system possible in place. They could have tried their absolute best to secure this information. But, even then, someone still could have figured out a way to hack into their system.

You really think Sony took personal information security lightly? I highly doubt a company of that size and importance, even if they're douche bags, wouldn't take strong measures in that area.

I don't think they took it lightly, but they still failed. If a hacker can identify a beloved patriot in their armor to exploit, they should be able to identify that same security hole and plug it up. That might be difficult, but that's their damn job, and they should be held accountable when they fail.

Maybe they took strong measures, but obviously not strong enough. If they want to be in the business of collecting and doing commerce with the information of 70 million people, they need to be held to high standards. The "it could happen to anyone" is a copout. It didnt happen to anyone, and they must have chosen Sony because they identified a vulnerability there. The fact of the matter is that it was Sony that was breached, and not someone else.
 

Thraxen

Diamond Member
Dec 3, 2001
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I think another very telling sign is the fact that they're busy basically rebuilding their network from the ground up. That would seem to indicate the flaws were so bad and/or abundant that it was simply easier to start over.
 

hans030390

Diamond Member
Feb 3, 2005
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I don't think they took it lightly, but they still failed. If a hacker can identify a beloved patriot in their armor to exploit, they should be able to identify that same security hole and plug it up. That might be difficult, but that's their damn job, and they should be held accountable when they fail.

Maybe they took strong measures, but obviously not strong enough. If they want to be in the business of collecting and doing commerce with the information of 70 million people, they need to be held to high standards. The "it could happen to anyone" is a copout. It didnt happen to anyone, and they must have chosen Sony because they identified a vulnerability there. The fact of the matter is that it was Sony that was breached, and not someone else.

What? Hackers can find exploits in pretty much everything. Holes and vulnerabilities are everywhere. Hell, don't they have competitions to see who can hack browsers and stuff like that (just an example)? It helps companies find exploits that they weren't aware of on their own.

I don't think there ever will be an system that can't be hacked in one way or another, despite ANYONE'S best efforts to do so. Anyone can be hacked...and, by your logic, that means anyone that can be hacked is not doing their job properly.

Also, it likely wasn't just because someone found a vulnerability in their system (which, as I said, could happen to anyone). Sony isn't always the "nicest" company around. In fact, they can regularly be awful. You think it's just coincidence that they got hacked just after the whole George Hotz and "jailbreaking" issue? Just after Anonymous decided to attack Sony? No, this hacking is very likely related to all of that. That's extremely petty behavior on the hacker's (hackers'?) part. And if not, who is at fault for taking advantage of someone or something's vulnerabilities? The one with the vulnerability or the one taking advantage of them?

Do you regularly bitch about Microsoft or Apple because they aren't making perfectly secure products?
 

JackBurton

Lifer
Jul 18, 2000
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What? Hackers can find exploits in pretty much everything. Holes and vulnerabilities are everywhere. Hell, don't they have competitions to see who can hack browsers and stuff like that (just an example)? It helps companies find exploits that they weren't aware of on their own.

I don't think there ever will be an system that can't be hacked in one way or another, despite ANYONE'S best efforts to do so. Anyone can be hacked...and, by your logic, that means anyone that can be hacked is not doing their job properly.

Also, it likely wasn't just because someone found a vulnerability in their system (which, as I said, could happen to anyone). Sony isn't always the "nicest" company around. In fact, they can regularly be awful. You think it's just coincidence that they got hacked just after the whole George Hotz and "jailbreaking" issue? Just after Anonymous decided to attack Sony? No, this hacking is very likely related to all of that. That's extremely petty behavior on the hacker's (hackers'?) part. And if not, who is at fault for taking advantage of someone or something's vulnerabilities? The one with the vulnerability or the one taking advantage of them?

Do you regularly bitch about Microsoft or Apple because they aren't making perfectly secure products?

Microsoft and Apple don't kill my internet access for a week+ because of a security flaw.