Poll: AMD/VIA vs. Intel/Intel for Stability ?

[LXi]

<<LOL. Is the guy that started this thread the same guy that said everyone would say intel?>>

Yea he said everyone alright. As it currently stands, Intel only gets 35% vote, the other 65% voted for equal or AMD/VIA, thats the reality.

 

[TheZaZ]

Personally, I think Cyrix is much more reliable/stable than both Intel and AMD. Hands Down. But as you can see I couldn't vote for Cyrix because its not included in the Poll. Oh well.

 

[BigLance]

Well LXi, you told me to CHEW on the Results, looks like about ~31% of the results support AMD and the other 65% support INTEL or Both.. and That's the Reality !

 

[Remedy]

Well lance anyone can spam the Vote, so if your really smart you would go around the forum and look at everyones sigs with their rigs in it, that's reality for you.

 

[novice]

Interesting question. Disappointed that I can't vote since my systems are VIA/Intel (see sig). Will comment though, that the MSI-6309 boards we use are very stable and have had no major problems, even with aureal based sound cards. Isn't it possible that it is the motherboard manufacturer who is primarily responsible for the stability, rather than the chipset itself? I mean if Asus and MSI use the same via (or intel) chipset, shouldn't BOTH suffer if the chipset is unstable? Yet you see many examples of Via chipset working well (i.e. MSI) and all kinds of problems with the supposedly same chipset (i.e. abit and maybe soyo). It just seems a little silly to label a certain chipset as unstable just because &quot;Brand X&quot; mobo manufacturer can't seem to get it to work. My 2 cents worth. I guess I will have better input once I build my proposed MSI/Duron system.
Chuck

 

[TheZaZ]

Oh yeah, I was completely joking about the Cyrix crack....

 

[Remedy]

Excellent point Novice.

 

[Dulanic]

<< Well LXi, you told me to CHEW on the Results, looks like about ~31% of the results support AMD and the other 65% support INTEL or Both.. and That's the Reality ! >>



The results obviously show they are equal, leave at that because its the truth (As LXi said before).

 

[BigLance]

Well ReMeDy{WcS}, I have not been spaming this Vote because I believe the people will choose Intel for Stability - as they have. No where did I mention that Intel is better than AMD. AMD is almost as stable and is cheaper for the same MHz... But I was trying to prove a point. In another topic I was told I was Stupid, thick headed, and un educated (in the computer world) and that I thought the world is flat because I believed Intel provides (overall) a more realiable and easy to use platform over AMD. Then I was made fun of because I didn't start a poll to see what you guys thought... Well now I have... and my point has been proven. The people of AnandTech do favor the Inte/ Intel platform.

 

[TheZaZ]

<< I was told I was Stupid, thick headed, and un educated >>



Thats messed up. People have a right to their own opinions but it looks like nobody sees that all of this is based on everyone's opinions. Thats pretty much all this poll is. People's opinions. So why dogg on BigLance just because that is his own personal opinion? This thread is turning into a flame war.

 

[Remedy]

Look lance, i didn't say You spammed the vote i only said any can spam it. But the fact of the matter is that you can't go publishing these kinds of threads and expect decent results, as you can see you have been called all types of names. But let me ask you this lance, if AMD/VIA was not such a good combo, do you think anand would of paired a 1 gig bird up with a MSI socket A board for a server(mind you he has like4)? I'm only asking lance for his opinion not everyone else, i want him to decide for himself on this one.

 

[BigLance]

I'm sorry I took that as you saying that about me...

Probably a very good setup ! Especially for the Price !! Bang for the buck, however, I beleive that an Intel setup could be as stable if not More !! It would just cost more $$$ ... My opinion it can bew worth it....

 

[chuckieland]

hey the election is not over yet
and I have to say Intel/Intel or AMD/VIA or Both are good, are in the tie race.
we'll have to wait until on canditidate take at lease 10 vote lead.
so far as i speak 35vote for intel. 34 for AMD/via and 35 for both are good.
ok there are no #1 yet.
and by the way, time change, Biglance. you are thinking AMD/VIA as in the past where K6 chip and VIA MVP chipset are in used. Now we are talking about K7 chips and KX/KT133chipset.
it's more stable then my sister's P3 450 and BX motherboard.
so i did say it's equally good or better then intel/intel
speaking of stablity. what happen to I820chipset motherboard
entire line got recall. so much for people buy the chipset motherboard because they think it's good because it has intel print on it.

 

[mschell]

Wow - big thread
In reply to the person who defended Via's numerous driver updates stating they are &quot;new drivers&quot;, Intel releases new drivers and they don't release &quot;betas&quot;. Like I said, the drivers are usually mature enough to run the system for the life of the MB. I've always been able to use the drivers on the disk that ships with the MB or even in the OS itself, trips to Intel's web site are generally unnecessary.
For the uneducated, a company releases beta software when they don't want to commit resources for full in-house testing. They would rather have their paying customers find the bugs in the software. I think this would be a normal occurrence but some companies seem to produce reasonably bug free drivers without using unpaid volunteers, go figure.
Someone brought up a good point that chipset implementation on a particular motherboard might be the cause of some problems. I say the company (Via) should make it easy to implement the chipset into any motherboard design. If you look at Intel chipset motherboards, you find they all perform very similarly in regards to performance, stability and usability which leads me to believe Intel offers more support to the motherboard manufacture which enables them to produce a reliable motherboard.
Lastly, I do agree that stability is not a critical factor to most of the users of this forum, running a beta driver that gives much improved performance can be exciting and taming a high-strung computer system is one of the most rewarding aspect of system tweaking. This all changes however when that high-strung system you thought you tamed starts freaking out after you sold it to your friend, it then can turn into your worst nightmare.

 

[LXi]

Do you remember what you said? &quot;Everyone will agree AMD wins in speed, and Intel wins in reliability&quot;? I said they're equal and the proof is the poll, votes are equally distributed to Intel and AMD, with the remaining 32% voting for equal, you cant get anymore accurate than that. That is the reality, most people believe that they're equal, your statement was false.

 

[Dulanic]

<< Well ReMeDy{WcS}, I have not been spaming this Vote because I believe the people will choose Intel for Stability - as they have. No where did I mention that Intel is better than AMD. AMD is almost as stable and is cheaper for the same MHz... But I was trying to prove a point. In another topic I was told I was Stupid, thick headed, and un educated (in the computer world) and that I thought the world is flat because I believed Intel provides (overall) a more realiable and easy to use platform over AMD. Then I was made fun of because I didn't start a poll to see what you guys thought... Well now I have... and my point has been proven. The people of AnandTech do favor the Inte/ Intel platform. >>



WTF are you smoking? Wow can you misread poll results, its dead even. AMD and Intel are even in stability and this poll clearly states that by being SOOOOO close.

 

[Dulanic]

<< For the uneducated, a company releases beta software when they don't want to commit resources for full in-house testing. They would rather have their paying customers find the bugs in the software. I think this would be a normal occurrence but some companies seem to produce reasonably bug free drivers without using unpaid volunteers, go figure. >>



Actually buddy they don't release Beta drivers... look on their site. VIAhardware.com (NOT owned by VIA) leaks them.... its just like Nvidia and leaked drivers.... I love it when I can get beta drivers.

 

[LXi]

<<In reply to the person who defended Via's numerous driver updates stating they are &quot;new drivers&quot;, Intel releases new drivers and they don't release &quot;betas&quot;. Like I said, the drivers are usually mature enough to run the system for the life of the MB. I've always been able to use the drivers on the disk that ships with the MB or even in the OS itself, trips to Intel's web site are generally unnecessary.>>

Makes it sounds like all VIA know how to make is beta drivers huh? Thats certainly not true, their 4-in-1 4.25 is fully functional in all OSes. Their betas have a mixed feedback, varying degree of success. The i815 chipset as well, require a driver to enable ATA100 in Windows2000, and that driver can be found on Intel's web site, very much like the 4-in-1s. nVidia, as we know, always leak beta drivers, does that mean their product suck or they suck as a company? Absolutely not.


<<Someone brought up a good point that chipset implementation on a particular motherboard might be the cause of some problems. I say the company (Via) should make it easy to implement the chipset into any motherboard design. If you look at Intel chipset motherboards, you find they all perform very similarly in regards to performance, stability and usability which leads me to believe Intel offers more support to the motherboard manufacture which enables them to produce a reliable motherboard.>>

Is there any particular proof you have that indicates VIA chipsets being harder to implement? And all Intel boards perform similarly in performance and stability? That's not true, a crappy manufacturers make crappy boards base on both Intel and VIA chipsets, and a good motherboard manufacturer make very good boards base on these chipsets. There isnt a single reason how one will be more difficult than the other to implement. I would never get an inferior KT133 board over a decent i815, and vise versa.


<<Lastly, I do agree that stability is not a critical factor to most of the users of this forum>>

So most of the people dont mind rebooting every 5 minutes? Is that it?

 

[Remedy]

<< beleive that an Intel setup could be as stable if not More !! It would just cost more $$$ ... My opinion it can bew worth it.... >>



You use the word Stability in the same sentence with AMD/VIA an awful lot in this thread. I want you to list some points on your defention of the instability and stability when your talking about systems. For EX: What makes a system unstable for a day to day setup?(list more than one point since you seem to use the word alot as your only arguement.)

 

[Buddabudda]

I'm getting really sick and tired of this myth about AMD stability problems. What stability problems?!?! Name them for crying out loud. Was it a recall of their 1.3 ghz chips or the FPU disaster you're referring to? No wait..........that was a different company.

And if you quote some problem with a chip set I might just go postal. The cpu and the motherboard are two completely different issues. If you want to make the claim that the 4 year old BX chip set is more stable than the brand new KT133's then I could give some ground. Maybe 4 years from now would be a better comparison of the two no?

 

[pikasub]

The only thing that your poll shows is your own ignorance at interpreting the results. It proves that the two platforms are EQUAL in stability (based on the opinions of knowledgable users) and when you take into account the price the amd/via combo is definitely better.

Just because you state in your poll to &quot;not take into account $$$&quot; doesn't mean that the difference goes away. You can buy a faster tbird at a lower price than a slower p3, so the question stands &quot;Why would you want to pay more for the same reliability?&quot;

 

[Leo V]

Now really guys, let's not be Intel vs. AMD zealots and try having an intelligent discussion.

I'd place myself in the AMD camp, but I'll be the first to admit that VIA has caused them (and me personally) some serious grief. Intel certainly isn't perfect, but they actually took action as soon as their i820 chipset was determined to be unstable. The same cannot be said of VIA, and neither of AMD in the Irongate750 days.

I'll get on VIA's case especially hard. Beginning in the Spring of last year, they have shipped a chipset (KX133) which had some inherent problems. After going through a few revisions, this chipset is alive today as the KT133--and still apparently suffers from serious problems that you don't find in Intel chipsets. First it was the woes of GeForce users trying to use AGP4X/FW and crashing, as well as broken memory interleaving and other things, all of which caused instability. The KT133 did little to fix this, and for a good period of time people with an Asus A7V motherboard couldn't run their Asus GeForce videocard outside &quot;Failsafe Mode&quot;. I experienced all these problems personally with both KX133 and KT133, as a direct result of buying AMD/VIA hardware myself (as opposed to imbibing somebody else's inflammatory anti-AMD rhetoric).

How can you support AMD and not be outraged by such a disgraceful treatment of their customers? My uncle supported AMD/VIA with his wallet, and this is what he got. Now my own AMD/VIA system has been suffering from instability, apparently thanks to immature ATA100 support in VIA's latest official drivers (seemingly fixed with beta drivers).

I hope it gets across to all you fellow AMD supporters that you're shooting yourselves in the foot by protecting AMD's butt. Take a deep breath and allow a few customers get scared out of leaving their cozy Intel pasture. It's all for the best, if it helps persuade AMD/VIA to take their problems (yes, problems!) more seriously.

 

[NOX]

OMG?what a trap!

Both platforms are rock solid; don?t let anyone tell you otherwise. If you have used both platforms then any one with a since of reality knows what I?m talking about!

AMD and Intel rock on!

Ask yourself this! What is one without the other! (My answer, nothing! Figure it out.)

 

[Pakman]

Hmmm... I had to come back to this one. I don't know if many of you read the original question carefully, but BigLance's question had 2 parts to it.
1) Stability/Reliablity
2) Ease of setup/Use

Alot of people here seem to be voting on the &quot;Bang for the Buck&quot; theory, which is not what the poll is about. Everyone knows the answer to that one. For stability/reliability they are both equal in my opinion. For ease of setup/use, I really can't see why anyone would think AMD wins. They are almost equal on that issue also... But Intel doesn't have the issues with power supplies, and chipset drivers like AMD/VIA combos. Whens the last time you've had to look for an Intel approved powersupply? So, with that point... Intel wins this poll.

 

[Remedy]

<< But Intel doesn't have the issues with power supplies, and chipset drivers like AMD/VIA combos. >>



Let me ask you this, why would you want to stick Generic parts such as no name power supplies and cheap memory in a Top of the line Cpu and expect Top of the line results? Also last time i checked VIA also makes P3 boards too that also take advantage of 4in1 SP. I wonder why no one ever says anything about the P3 1.13Check it getting recalled last summer for Instability on benchmarks that the Athlon passed with flying colors? When is the last time you heard an Athlon Being released onto the market and then being recalled for Instability issues?

Remember the i820 recall?Hmm

Or the 550 having This problem

No No, remember This one When Intel wanted AMD to fail so bad?



<< microstar simply proved themselves as one of the best motherboard manufacturers with the release of the K7T Pro2. Performance and stability are simply the two most important factors when considering a board, and the K7T Pro2 excels in both areas. >>

link From that statement, seems to me like AMD/VIA are capable of being a good stable combo depending on who the manufacture is.

The pole is even but yet there are still some doods coming here making bogus statments.