Poll: AMD/VIA vs. Intel/Intel for Stability ?

[BigLance]

You guys sit here and call us Intel Zelots because we chose to run Intel products or to chose intel in this poll, look at the results of the poll LXi begged me to start...

oh, and do you guys really think I meant EVERYONE would say Intel.... duh... but yea, I did mean that the Majority would choose Intel in this situation....... and it looks like they have.... so whatever-

choose whatever floats your boat for whatever reasons, I had mine, and when I was bashed for them I set out to pove a point....

 

[TheZaZ]

Wow, this thread sure is LONG. Wow, Modus you practically wrote a book on one of your posts!

Well, what I have to say is I agree that both should be the same but it looks to me like you guys are comparing Intel's stuff to the AMD/VIA newest offerings. Now I would agree that the Athlon/Thunderbird is about the same as Intel's newest stuff. Now if I read it right I think BigLance is talking about ALL of Intels past and present CPU'S/MB/CHIPSETS and ALL of AMD's past and present CPU'S/MB/CHIPSETS(VIA) Not just the newer stuff. Now in my honest opinion I would have to say that Intel wins for stability and reliability with that in mind but if you just look at AMD's newest stuff then they are about the same. But this POLL/DEBATE is over INTEL/INTEL and AMD/VIA so that should be "OVERALL" which would include ALL of their past and present offerings. Now dont take me to be an Intel Zealot because I am not. I have both in each of my systems and im just stating what I think.

BOTH are excellent and they both have great stability/reliability.....now.


Just to let some of you guys know...

INTEL has 58 VOTES
AMD has 45
SAME has 50

Someone said that it should be at least a 10 point lead...Well there you have it.

BigLance is right about Intel winning over AMD...they have more votes......and its not really fair to say that the people that voted for Intel are idiots or dont know what they are talking about just as it is not right to say that the people that voted for AMD are idiots and dont know what they are talking about. But someone stated this also and he was right on the money but just because someone voted INTEL it does not mean they have no knowledge about it. Maybe they know more than you think and you dont know as much as you think? Same goes for AMD.

HANDS DOWN.....BOTH ARE EXCELLENT....

 

[Dulanic]

<< BigLance is right about Intel winning over AMD...they have more votes......and its not really fair to say that the people that voted for Intel are idiots or dont know what they are talking about just as it is not right to say that the people that voted for AMD are idiots and dont know what they are talking about. But someone stated this also and he was right on the money but just because someone voted INTEL it does not mean they have no knowledge about it. Maybe they know more than you think and you dont know as much as you think? Same goes for AMD. >>



No no my point mainly was everyone has used Intel atleast once, the same is not true for AMD. So thoose that havent used AMD are likely to vote for Intel even though they have no real experience with AMD. No poll is going to be perfectly accurate. But then alot of people might also vote on one bad experience with a bad part or something.... could throw it either way also. The base facts are the votes are so close (given margin of error due to zealots, one bad experience etc for BOTH sides) its clear that these forums are pretty split even on this, and that pretty much says they are the same according to members from here. But thoose of us who build alot of PCs know from cold hard fact of using both platforms so much.... they are equal in stability.

 

[TheZaZ]

Oh ok. My bad dude. But do you see where I am &quot;trying&quot; to go? I agree with you though.

Both are equal in stability etc...

 

[chuckieland]

i just want to know how many people
vote for intel, and has only use Intel system, and never even try AMD althon system

 

[PCResources]

<< choose whatever floats your boat for whatever reasons, I had mine, and when I was bashed for them I set out to pove a point.... >>



You still haven't answered my question, how many Intel systems did you build, how many AMD systems? How many Intel systems were unstable, how many AMD systems were unstable? Which components did you use for those various systems?

In what way were the systems unstable??

And NO, you cannot say that the majority think that Intel systems are MORE stable, what you can say is that the majority think that Intel systems are just as stable as AMD systems, i will not argue about that...

If i didn't know what i know today i wouldn't say anything, but i know that many people are &quot;Intel only&quot; guys, usually not because of bad experiences with AMD systems, but rather because they were taught that Intel is more reliable....

If anyone can make a valid point here as to why the AMD systems are not as stable, i will consider your point and respond to your point... I personally test systems for stability as well as QC the components used for every system, AMD is just as stable as Intel, thousands of tested systems will not lie...

Patrick Palm

Am speaking for PC Resources

 

[Degenerate]

<< Foolish boy, he said Intel is MORE stable in his last thread.... well by the poll over 60% dont think Intel is MORE stable. >>




And over 70% dont think Amd is more stable with Via.


As far as i am concerend, Intel design their chip. Amd did not and will not for much of their chips.

 

[Dulanic]

<< And over 70% dont think Amd is more stable with Via.


As far as i am concerend, Intel design their chip. Amd did not and will not for much of their chips. >>



Ok you are offically a moron. In his last thread he said most people would vote Intel as MORE stable... not equal. I already said this but you ignored that. AMD has said before they are not a big chipset maker.

 

[BigLance]

Let me think about your question PC Resources,

I have built about 5-6 AMD systems, Some Athlons, K6 2's and 3's and some K5's. And about 7-8 Intel systems, 486, Pentium, Pentium MMX, Pentium II's, III's and a Celeron. And a couple of Various Cyrix proc based systems...

I won't get into the Older machines of both types... we all know the answer there. Lets talk Athlons. It's not that I had a lot of trouble with my Athlons, they actually worked pretty well. However, compared to my PII 350 / Intel BX system that I had before it, it was a little bit more crash proned... I built another Athlon, about the same results there- again, not bad, but slightly more &quot;unstable&quot; than the BX equipped PII's I had owned and built... So I got to thinking, and reading, and what I found was that most hardware sites etc. seemed to say that an Intel CPU, MOBO, and Chipset was about the most stable thing possible to run. Another member in this topic posted similiar findings... So when upgrade time came around thats what I bought, then I got flamed and told I was stupid for doing it. I knew I was not wrong and that the platform I chose (or similiar setup) had to be at LEAST as stable as any Athlon/ Thunderbird setup out ther if not MORE. I didn't come up with this on my own. After I expressed this thought in the last post, some members including LXi beat me down telling me I was wrong about it, he repeadidly asked me to start a poll and see: I did, and guess what... the results favored the Intel setup more so than the AMD. I know this is just a poll and doesn't mean its the exact truth, but he wanted it, and he got it. Thats what I meant about &quot;proving my point&quot;.

 

[emjem]

Ease of use! I'm totally sick and tired of even hearing the dreaded 4 in 1 BS. A great big frigin mess. &quot;Use this one, not that one&quot;, and &quot;this one is faster than that one&quot; and &quot;new driver is suck&quot;, blah, blah, blah.

I'm on my first and last via set. Intel rules for ease of use.

 

[LXi]

BigLance, Degenerate

Stop denying it, the fact that BigLance stated a majority/all will vote for Intel being more stable is wrong to begin with, now he tries to hide that ignorance statement by saying the &quot;about the same&quot; option does not count, well bullshit, the point is not about who thinks AMD is more stable than Intel, the point is about whether Intel is more stable than AMD. Only 40% agreed, thats clearly NOT a majority. Votes for AMD and or &quot;about the same&quot; are votes that went against BigLance's former statement since he stated AMD cannot be equal or better than Intel in stability, its simple as that.

 

[chuckieland]

yes, it term of election. you do need 50% or more vote to crown President.

 

[Modus]

This is just silly.

We can beat BigLance over the head with the facts all we want.

We can quote the professional opinions of the most respected hardware sites in the universe; we can compare and contrast the driver support of both platforms; we can point out that no objective real world study has ever proven either platform more stable than the other; we can explain that the vast majority of competent computer resellers and consultants on these most educated forums have no problem ranking AMD equal with Intel in the reliability department; and we can cite motherboard rounups that show VIA KT133 boards achieving unheard of stability scores in torture tests that put a BX to shame.

And we can point out how mind numbingly pathetic it is for him to claim the poll was a personal victory for himself and Intel when the majority of people believe AMD is at least as stable or better.

But it won't matter. It's a pathology we're dealing with here. Anyone so blinded by brand loyalty is basically beyond our ability to help him. He needs to seek professional assistance for this sad condition.

Modus

 

[MustISO]

I've been toying with the idea of building an AMD/Via motherboard but one things stops me now and has always bothered me. I've worked at 4 software companies in my career. Of the four 100% of our code was written on Intel machines. 100% of our testing was done on Intel machines. I've also done some part time work for a game developer. Other than some simple compatiblity test, everything from coding to testing was done on Intel systems. The other thing that bothers me is when I hear about things like a Win2K fix for AMD chipsets. Or a patch for an AMD processor for a new game. That's what keeps me from going with AMD.

Just my $.02

MustISO

 

[Charles]

PC Resource, LXi, Leo V and Modus, I'm honoured to be here sharing opinions with you guys.




The Perfectionists

 

[Modus]

MustISU,

<< I've worked at 4 software companies in my career. Of the four 100% of our code was written on Intel machines. 100% of our testing was done on Intel machines. I've also done some part time work for a game developer. Other than some simple compatiblity test, everything from coding to testing was done on Intel systems. >>

In case you haven't heard, the x86 instruction set was perfectly cloned by AMD and several other companies, oh, about FIFTEEN YEARS AGO. Software that runs on an Intel machine *will* run on an AMD machine. Period. (Barring of course a demented developer who demands SSE.)

It's a common malady among many bright computer programmers that makes them completely oblivious to and ignorant of anything beyond the Intel brand name. Would you believe some people still think software has to be tested for &quot;AMD compatibility&quot;? THAT is the massive strength of the Intel marketing machine, and THAT is what people like BigLance and DeathThroweR are supporting with these kinds of threads.

<< The other thing that bothers me is when I hear about things like a Win2K fix for AMD chipsets. >>

For crying out loud, do some research! This &quot;fix&quot; is a one line registry key. One line! And even MS admitted it was *entirely* their fault. Microsoft programmers seem to be of the same backwards attitude as yourself.

<< Or a patch for an AMD processor for a new game. >>

Which don't exist. Not a single credible developer has had reason in the past five years to release a patch targetted at AMD systems. And those that did prior to 1996 were *all* because of sloppy CPU ID code that failed to recognize the CPU as a genuine Intel Pentium and refused to allow anything but monopolist products to run their software.

To reitterate:

All x86 software works perfectly on Intel chips. All x86 software works perfectly on AMD chips. The software couldn't care less, and can't even tell the difference save for the CPU ID instruction.

I can't believe I even need to say this in the year 2001, and to a computer programmer, no less.

I think I'm going to throw up.

Modus

 

[BigLance]

LXi are you retarded: The &quot;about the same&quot; does not effect Intel or AMD in any way ! It is nuetral, and Intel and AMD are on the other ends +/- etc. If I dropped the &quot;about the same&quot; part Intel would win... dont you see what I'm saying, Intel is winning..... ok.

 

[LXi]

Try as you might, you're wrong and you're trying to hide it, your original statement said there is no neutral, you original statement said majority will agree Intel is better. And the fact that 60% did not agree with your statement because they either think AMD is better, or they're about the same, yes neutral votes are against you because you said Intel is better which is not a neutral statement.

 

[BigLance]

You damn fool ! I said Intel is better than AMD. Look at the results.... INTEL IS AT A HIGHER NUMBER (Which is better... if you were not sure) THAN AMD, regardless of &quot;about the same&quot;. I threw that &quot;about the same&quot; in there to let those who don't really know a place to cast there vote, if I had never entered it INTEL WOULD HAVE BEEN AHEAD STILL, just like it is now....

 

[LXi]

LOL... &quot;about the same&quot; is against &quot;Intel better&quot;, thats all I need to say, 60% is against you, period. End of discussion.

Look who's calling names now, I dont mind, but dont whine when others do that to you.

 

[Cogman]

Go AMD

 

[Dexion]

Damn BigLance, did you fail your math class?

41% Believe Intel is more stable.
28% Believe AMD is more stable.
31% Believe both platforms are equal.

To answer your questions:

How many percent feel AMD is equal or better than Intel?
31% + 28% = 59%

How many percent feel Intel is better than AMD(This is what your asking, and trying to prove)?
41% = 41%


What this poll doesn't show is that Majority of the AMD AND Intel users(let me stress AND again) that have used both platforms(and we're talking about latest AMD products), built numerous computers, and had plenty of experience with them would agree that they are equal. This is the 31% of all the voters in this topic, many of us(including me) don't see a huge difference in stability on either platforms and its way too hard to judge due to the lack of stable software that runs on both systems. Face it, Intel's get BSODs also, who can exactly pinpoint and blame the CPU platform to be the culprit? Nobody.

Majority of the 41% that voted on Intel have either not owned/used a AMD platform, who believe Intel as the better brand by word of mouth, who have owned old AMD products that lacked proper software , who lack hardware experience/installed/built their AMD systems poorly, or just fell for INTEL marketing strategies which is just plain &quot;BIAS&quot;.

 

[BigLance]

Hmm, that is weird !! Take a look at the Poll now, looks like INTEL IS AHEAD OF AMD ! Just like I have been saying all along.....

Chew on those boys !

 

[LXi]

Who cares if Intel is more than AMD, the fact is 60% of the people DISAGREE with your goddamn ignorant &quot;Intel better&quot; statement.

 

[Dulanic]

LOL, how childish. People dont agree with me so Ill erase a choice from the poll! Now im kinda wondering how many times you signed up on the board to vote too.