Originally posted by: alchemize
Oh now I remember you, not only do you wear a tinfoil hat, but you have a tinfoil cross on top of it.
Everyone, take witness. This is what happens when religion freaks you out so bad, you move so far right on the religious/political spectrum, that somehow you end up on the left. It's whacky but it happens sometimes.
LOL! That's the best one yet
Too bad there's not a shred of truth too it If only you knew....Act like a dipshit, people are gonna call you one. Facts of life. No thanks, I'd rather not go delving into your previous posts. I remember them now, I've laughed enough at them. I'm sure you have lots of reasons to believe that you are correct, and 99.87% of the world is wrong.
Nope. I'm not G-d, I don't make the timetable. It will happen when He wills it so. Make fun of me and call me names all you like, you won't be laughing after the next terrorist attack
dahunan
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I know you all will enjoy this *I cannot vote on this
http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/09/149985_comment.php
http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/09/149985_comment.php
Although I agree with you 100%, there are those who would say you are incorrect about the 2nd part of your statement.
hehe, you're funny alchemize
Too bad you use your talents in an attempt to tear people down and build up your own ego.
dahunan
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'Lone Gunmen' Series Presaged 9-11
http://www.davidcogswell.com/MediaRoulette/LoneGunmen.html
November 10, 2002
... a fascinating TV program aired March 4, 2001, on Fox that foretold the 9-11 attacks on the World Trade Center, with some fascinating twists.
In that story, a faction within the government organized a remote control takeover of a commercial airline, which it then aimed into the World Trade Center. The motive was to stimulate business for the weapons industry, which had been suffering since the end of the Cold War.
In this version of reality, the plot was discovered by a government employee who was not part of the faction, a good guy, a law-abiding citizen who worked for the government and really believed in the laws. To cut to the chase, the heroes of the story manage to thwart the disaster. One of them hacks the Defense Department computers and manages to restore the pilots' ability to manually override the remote control just moments before the plane would have crashed into the south tower.
The climactic scene shows the plane heading into the tower at night from the south, and when the manual override is restored, the pilots lift the plane, just barely missing the Trade Center. ...
The program was the pilot in a series that was spun off from The X-Files by its creator Chris Carter. The new series centers around three hackers and publishers of a conspiracy zine called "The Lone Gunmen. ....
The TV Guide story mentions that the planes were remotely piloted, saying, "Unlike the actual attacks, there was no suicide hijacker in the Gunmen climax; the terrorists attempted to remotely steer the plane into the skyscraper."
Of course since the White House has successfully blocked a thorough, independent investigation, we can't definitely rule out the possibility of remote piloting. In fact, a number of the alleged hijackers whose pictures were released by authorities almost immediately after the incident, were later found to be alive. We don't know who was on the flight, and we don't know if they knew the craft was being driven into a skyscraper.
.... The TV Guide article neglects to mention another major element of the plot. It mentions "terrorists," but never mentions that the terrorists in the story were Americans, part of the government, and they were doing it to create public support for war in order to fuel the weapons industry. This particular parallel was apparently too too disturbing to mention.
To bundle together two aphorisms, let us remember that while life imitates art, truth remains stranger than fiction. We know that the Joint Chiefs of Staff submitted a plan called Operation Northwoods during the Kennedy presidency, in which they advocated terrorist attacks in American cities in order to stir up support for an invasion of Cuba.
And just this week the CIA carried out an assassination from a drone plane, a plane with no driver, remotely controlled from the ground. And we know that remote control systems are in commercial aircraft now too. (See Drones of Death.)
Funny how a Hollywood series could anticipate the 911 scenario, but the multi-billion dollar defense and intelligence establishment was caught totally off guard. George W. Bush and Dick Cheney say no one ever thought of flying hijacked aircraft into buildings before. And they are honorable men. So are they all, all honorable men.
http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/09/149985_comment.php
Do you want to see how that would have looked? FoxTV ran a TV show a year before showing people in a government agency remote controlling a passenger plane in the WTC, so they can blame it on a terrorist group. As an excuse to declare a war.
Did they plant this script as braging rights, or as a means to discredit who knows?
Here is a link to video clip from that TV show you can download. http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2002/09/145289_comment.php#145399
http://propagandamatrix.com/The_Lone_Gunmen_Realm_Pilot_Episode.htm
The Lone Gunman TV Show
http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/lonegunmanpilot.mpg 13 megabyte MPEG file - excerpt from the show
Script excerpt from http://www.insidethex.co.uk/transcrp/tlg179.htm
BYERS: We know it's a war game scenario. That it has to do with airline counter-terrorism. Why is it important enough to kill for.
BYERS SNR: Because it's no longer a game.
BYERS: But if some terrorist group wants to act out this scenario, then why target you for assassination?
BYERS SNR: Depends on who your terrorists are.
BYERS: The men who conceived of it the first place. You're saying our government is planning to commit a terrorist act against a domestic airline?
BYERS SNR: There you go again. Blaming the entire government as usual. In fact, a small faction ...
BYERS: For what possible gain?
BYERS SNR: The Cold War's over, John. But with no clear enemy to stockpile against, the arms market's flat. But bring down a fully loaded 727 into the middle of New York City and you'll find a dozen tinpot dictators all over the world just clamouring to take responsibility, and begging to be smart-bombed.
BYERS: I can't believe this. This is about increasing arms sales?
(BYERS SNR nods.)
BYERS: When?
BYERS SNR: Tonight.
BYERS: How are you going to stop them?
(BYERS SNR says nothing.)
BYERS: Why didn't you tell the world about this - go to the press?
BYERS SNR: You think I'd still be drawing breath 30 minutes after I made that call? The press - who's going to run this story?
BYERS: We would!
BYERS SNR: This?
(He goes over to the pile of Lone Gunman newsletters and picks one up.)
BYERS SNR: This is bird cage liner. Wild-eyed crap, up there with "Elvis is an Alien" and two-headed babies.
BYERS: You obviously read it.
BYERS SNR: Don't be so damned naive. This isn't going to save the world. (He sighs) I'm doing what I can, John. I don't have all the specifics on scenario 12-D, but I think I know the flight they've chosen. You stay out of it. I don't want Overlord gunning for you too.
BYERS: We need to know our flightplan.
CUT BACK TO:
(LANGLY and FROHIKE are checking the flight data.)
FROHIKE: I'm mapping the data now.
(The monitor changes to show a map. The map increases in detail and a line showing the flightplan is superimposed on it. The line stops at a point on the map and the target building is highlighted. FROHIKE and LANGLY look at each other.)
LANGLY: Byers. Your flight's going to make an unscheduled stop. In exactly 22 minutes.
(Cut to FROHIKE and LANGLY.)
FROHIKE: Corner of Liberty and Washington, Lower Manhattan.
CUT TO:
(Onboard the aircraft. BYERS and BYERS SNR are trying to keep their voices low.)
BYERS: World Trade Center. (He turns to his father) They're going to crash it into the World Trade Center.
BYERS SNR: I'll tell the flight crew.
CUT TO:
(The Lone Gunmen offices. LANGLY is frantically working at the console.)
BYERS (VO): Langly, can you override the flight control system?
LANGLY: Working on it.
CUT BACK TO:
(The aircraft flight deck. BYERS SNR enters. The pilot turns to him)
PILOT: What is this?
(The navigator tries to stop BYERS SNR.)
BYERS SNR: My name is Bert Byers. (He shows them his ID) I work for the government. I believe this plane has been commandeered.
PILOT: Sir, passengers are not allowed in the cockpit. I need you to return to your seat now.
BYERS SNR: You don't have control of this plane and I don't know what we can do to get it back. Turn off your auto-pilot. There may be a chance we can override it.
PILOT: Sir, I'll be happy to contact your superiors in the government -
(BYERS SNR rushes to the flight controls.)
PILOT: Sir! Dammit!
(The navigator hauls BYERS SNR back. The Co-Pilot has grabbed the control stick.)
CO-PILOT: He's right!
(Cut to monitor in Lone Gunmen offices. The screen shows: "ALERT: SYSTEM OVERLOAD. Flushing C- Please wait".)
LANGLY: Dammit! Frozen again. (Exasperated) They've encrypted the manual override commands.
FROHIKE: Well, decrypt them then.
LANGLY: I don't have enough power ...
(We cut between BYERS and the Lone Gunmen offices.)
LANGLY (VO): ... my CPUs are pegged.
BYERS: Langly, what's happening?
LANGLY: I'll try decrypting in background mode.
BYERS: How long will that take?
LANGLY: On my calcs per sec? I estimate (pause) seven to ten days.
BYERS: Oh. Needless to say!
LANGLY: Our asses are fried.
http://www.davidcogswell.com/MediaRoulette/LoneGunmen.html
November 10, 2002
... a fascinating TV program aired March 4, 2001, on Fox that foretold the 9-11 attacks on the World Trade Center, with some fascinating twists.
In that story, a faction within the government organized a remote control takeover of a commercial airline, which it then aimed into the World Trade Center. The motive was to stimulate business for the weapons industry, which had been suffering since the end of the Cold War.
In this version of reality, the plot was discovered by a government employee who was not part of the faction, a good guy, a law-abiding citizen who worked for the government and really believed in the laws. To cut to the chase, the heroes of the story manage to thwart the disaster. One of them hacks the Defense Department computers and manages to restore the pilots' ability to manually override the remote control just moments before the plane would have crashed into the south tower.
The climactic scene shows the plane heading into the tower at night from the south, and when the manual override is restored, the pilots lift the plane, just barely missing the Trade Center. ...
The program was the pilot in a series that was spun off from The X-Files by its creator Chris Carter. The new series centers around three hackers and publishers of a conspiracy zine called "The Lone Gunmen. ....
The TV Guide story mentions that the planes were remotely piloted, saying, "Unlike the actual attacks, there was no suicide hijacker in the Gunmen climax; the terrorists attempted to remotely steer the plane into the skyscraper."
Of course since the White House has successfully blocked a thorough, independent investigation, we can't definitely rule out the possibility of remote piloting. In fact, a number of the alleged hijackers whose pictures were released by authorities almost immediately after the incident, were later found to be alive. We don't know who was on the flight, and we don't know if they knew the craft was being driven into a skyscraper.
.... The TV Guide article neglects to mention another major element of the plot. It mentions "terrorists," but never mentions that the terrorists in the story were Americans, part of the government, and they were doing it to create public support for war in order to fuel the weapons industry. This particular parallel was apparently too too disturbing to mention.
To bundle together two aphorisms, let us remember that while life imitates art, truth remains stranger than fiction. We know that the Joint Chiefs of Staff submitted a plan called Operation Northwoods during the Kennedy presidency, in which they advocated terrorist attacks in American cities in order to stir up support for an invasion of Cuba.
And just this week the CIA carried out an assassination from a drone plane, a plane with no driver, remotely controlled from the ground. And we know that remote control systems are in commercial aircraft now too. (See Drones of Death.)
Funny how a Hollywood series could anticipate the 911 scenario, but the multi-billion dollar defense and intelligence establishment was caught totally off guard. George W. Bush and Dick Cheney say no one ever thought of flying hijacked aircraft into buildings before. And they are honorable men. So are they all, all honorable men.
http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/09/149985_comment.php
Do you want to see how that would have looked? FoxTV ran a TV show a year before showing people in a government agency remote controlling a passenger plane in the WTC, so they can blame it on a terrorist group. As an excuse to declare a war.
Did they plant this script as braging rights, or as a means to discredit who knows?
Here is a link to video clip from that TV show you can download. http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2002/09/145289_comment.php#145399
http://propagandamatrix.com/The_Lone_Gunmen_Realm_Pilot_Episode.htm
The Lone Gunman TV Show
http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/lonegunmanpilot.mpg 13 megabyte MPEG file - excerpt from the show
Script excerpt from http://www.insidethex.co.uk/transcrp/tlg179.htm
BYERS: We know it's a war game scenario. That it has to do with airline counter-terrorism. Why is it important enough to kill for.
BYERS SNR: Because it's no longer a game.
BYERS: But if some terrorist group wants to act out this scenario, then why target you for assassination?
BYERS SNR: Depends on who your terrorists are.
BYERS: The men who conceived of it the first place. You're saying our government is planning to commit a terrorist act against a domestic airline?
BYERS SNR: There you go again. Blaming the entire government as usual. In fact, a small faction ...
BYERS: For what possible gain?
BYERS SNR: The Cold War's over, John. But with no clear enemy to stockpile against, the arms market's flat. But bring down a fully loaded 727 into the middle of New York City and you'll find a dozen tinpot dictators all over the world just clamouring to take responsibility, and begging to be smart-bombed.
BYERS: I can't believe this. This is about increasing arms sales?
(BYERS SNR nods.)
BYERS: When?
BYERS SNR: Tonight.
BYERS: How are you going to stop them?
(BYERS SNR says nothing.)
BYERS: Why didn't you tell the world about this - go to the press?
BYERS SNR: You think I'd still be drawing breath 30 minutes after I made that call? The press - who's going to run this story?
BYERS: We would!
BYERS SNR: This?
(He goes over to the pile of Lone Gunman newsletters and picks one up.)
BYERS SNR: This is bird cage liner. Wild-eyed crap, up there with "Elvis is an Alien" and two-headed babies.
BYERS: You obviously read it.
BYERS SNR: Don't be so damned naive. This isn't going to save the world. (He sighs) I'm doing what I can, John. I don't have all the specifics on scenario 12-D, but I think I know the flight they've chosen. You stay out of it. I don't want Overlord gunning for you too.
BYERS: We need to know our flightplan.
CUT BACK TO:
(LANGLY and FROHIKE are checking the flight data.)
FROHIKE: I'm mapping the data now.
(The monitor changes to show a map. The map increases in detail and a line showing the flightplan is superimposed on it. The line stops at a point on the map and the target building is highlighted. FROHIKE and LANGLY look at each other.)
LANGLY: Byers. Your flight's going to make an unscheduled stop. In exactly 22 minutes.
(Cut to FROHIKE and LANGLY.)
FROHIKE: Corner of Liberty and Washington, Lower Manhattan.
CUT TO:
(Onboard the aircraft. BYERS and BYERS SNR are trying to keep their voices low.)
BYERS: World Trade Center. (He turns to his father) They're going to crash it into the World Trade Center.
BYERS SNR: I'll tell the flight crew.
CUT TO:
(The Lone Gunmen offices. LANGLY is frantically working at the console.)
BYERS (VO): Langly, can you override the flight control system?
LANGLY: Working on it.
CUT BACK TO:
(The aircraft flight deck. BYERS SNR enters. The pilot turns to him)
PILOT: What is this?
(The navigator tries to stop BYERS SNR.)
BYERS SNR: My name is Bert Byers. (He shows them his ID) I work for the government. I believe this plane has been commandeered.
PILOT: Sir, passengers are not allowed in the cockpit. I need you to return to your seat now.
BYERS SNR: You don't have control of this plane and I don't know what we can do to get it back. Turn off your auto-pilot. There may be a chance we can override it.
PILOT: Sir, I'll be happy to contact your superiors in the government -
(BYERS SNR rushes to the flight controls.)
PILOT: Sir! Dammit!
(The navigator hauls BYERS SNR back. The Co-Pilot has grabbed the control stick.)
CO-PILOT: He's right!
(Cut to monitor in Lone Gunmen offices. The screen shows: "ALERT: SYSTEM OVERLOAD. Flushing C- Please wait".)
LANGLY: Dammit! Frozen again. (Exasperated) They've encrypted the manual override commands.
FROHIKE: Well, decrypt them then.
LANGLY: I don't have enough power ...
(We cut between BYERS and the Lone Gunmen offices.)
LANGLY (VO): ... my CPUs are pegged.
BYERS: Langly, what's happening?
LANGLY: I'll try decrypting in background mode.
BYERS: How long will that take?
LANGLY: On my calcs per sec? I estimate (pause) seven to ten days.
BYERS: Oh. Needless to say!
LANGLY: Our asses are fried.
Gee that's quite a fancy little PDF there.
Anyone notice that the plane is flying over Budweiser cans on page 16. LOL...millitary issue? Too funny.
www.tinfoilhats.com
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Nope. I'm not G-d, I don't make the timetable. It will happen when He wills it so. Make fun of me and call me names all you like, you won't be laughing after the next terrorist attack
So you know this from God? God told you in the next few months that Bush will declare martial law?
No, I'm not a lunatic, just a zealot. This is just my belief LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE I POST. Let's just say it's a gut feeling backed up by a whole lot of research and contemplation. I do have a reliable source but you would already know that if you had done a search.
dahunan
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Originally posted by: alchemize
Back to football. This troll is drawing flies
I am just curious.. did you watch this?
http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/lonegunmanpilot.mpg 13 megabyte MPEG file - excerpt from the show
I think it really sucks that Condoleeza Rice had to lie and say they had never thought that a hijacker would use a plane as a missile... that creates a lot of anger when someone in hre position tells such a lie.
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: alchemize
Back to football. This troll is drawing flies
I am just curious.. did you watch this?
http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/lonegunmanpilot.mpg 13 megabyte MPEG file - excerpt from the show
I think it really sucks that Condoleeza Rice had to lie and say they had never thought that a hijacker would use a plane as a missile... that creates a lot of anger when someone in hre position tells such a lie.
One thing you've got to understand about the Neocons/Bush Supporters/Pro-war folks is that anything bad involving Bush couldn't possibly be true. He is their savior, afterall (seeing as how he's the Antichrist).
Wow! Over 30 percent either agree with me that the Bush admin is probably behind it or think they definately are! I thought those of us in the tin foil hat group were a smaller minority.
This thread started more controversy/flaming than I actually expected!
Duhanan: that link is really interesting. That "ETA 17 minutes" pic even has a pretty strong resemblance to the NY skyline with the skyscrapers being in 2 major clusters (downtown & midtown).
This thread started more controversy/flaming than I actually expected!
Duhanan: that link is really interesting. That "ETA 17 minutes" pic even has a pretty strong resemblance to the NY skyline with the skyscrapers being in 2 major clusters (downtown & midtown).
HeroOfPellinor
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dahunan
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Report Warned Of Suicide Hijackings
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/18/attack/main509488.shtml
"I don't think anybody could have predicted that ... they would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile," National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice said
From the stuff I quoted above....... (the show actually aired on Fox in March of 2001 >>
dualsmp
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Project for the New American Century
Rebuilding America's Defenses
"catastrophic and catalyzing event ? like a new Pearl Harbor" (page 51)
nuff' said. :frown:
Rebuilding America's Defenses
"catastrophic and catalyzing event ? like a new Pearl Harbor" (page 51)
nuff' said. :frown:
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I don't recall the word illuminati, but it may have been there. Otherwise, though, the poll has asked the same thing off the bat.
Yeah seriously, are some of the people in P&N freaking crack-heads? I can hardly believe some of the crap I've read in this thread.
OMFG I BET BUSH DID SET IT UP AFTERALL HOLY CRAP!!! Some of the opinions in this thread are an offense to intellect and rattionale, and I do mean that.
dahunan
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Are they almost this offensive??
"I don't think anybody could have predicted that ... they would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile," National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice said
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/18/attack/main509488.shtml
Or as OFFENSIVE AS NOT WANTING TO TESTIFY UNDER OATH.. what kind of bullsh!t is that?? What FVCK does she have to hide??
WHAT IS "of course, a wrong-footed statement on its face" Is that a way to say LIE??
Nope. I'm not G-d, I don't make the timetable. It will happen when He wills it so. Make fun of me and call me names all you like, you won't be laughing after the next terrorist attack
I don't think it's that far out of line. I mean just look at the Old Testament, God's an old, evil hand when it comes to terrorism. Flood the world and kill everyone, send angels of death to slaughter people in various cities, etc. I'm just astonished that people still believe in this evil ideology called Judeo Christian faith.
Jason
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
hehe, I know where you're coming from CKG, but I'm a whacko so I'm on the other side of the aisle on this one
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