Poll: 50% of repubs would support Trump postponing 2020 election!

[amenx]

I remember... Some other world leaders aren't too fond of elections either after winning one... They did away with elections, it was less trouble for them...

Although I believe that does change the type of government for the country...

😱

Notable example, Hitler.

 

[JSt0rm]

the president fucks his daughter. This is the world we live in.

 

[agent00f]

The idea that Trump is going to suspend elections propagated by the left is ridiculous...just like the idea that Obama was going to propagated by the right. If you would have polled democrats at the end of Obama's term, 50% would have said they would be all for suspending elections to keep ol' Barry in there. You call the right fascists and they call the left commies.

If you had the education/iq or honesty to understand anything said you wouldn't be conservative.

 

[agent00f]

What have you won recently?

Ire of the playing dumb champ evidently.

 

[pcgeek11]

I would be opposed to postponing any presidential election regardless of what party is in office.

 

[Jaskalas]

I didn't call for violence.

I apologize for overstepping. But when people pretty much say they're done with others, that words are over, as a response to my post...

I said I am uninterested in having any sort of debate with someone who doesn't support having free elections in this country. YOU are the one urging tolerance of this anti-democratic viewpoint.

In what way? I laid out their core beliefs to a group of people who may have no concept what this voting bloc represents. I spoke of a plan to strip them of their resolve and to demand obedience from them. That you replied negatively to that... and if you're contrasting from my position to something further... well, I suppose I jumped to you representing the only thing that's further in my mind. The only thing that would remain if we simply told them to !@#$ off, instead of working to cure them of their illness.

You see... without resolution... they'll seek escalation on their own. And yes it is an illness. A disease borne from economic competition and fear of others. Rough times and scapegoats. Only a fraction of "them" truly intend harm towards the illegal population. The rest just need the helping hand of a new deal, and a leader of strong moral conviction standing in opposition and telling them right from wrong. To guide them back into the fold, once balmed from the damages of trickle down.

When people are hungry... they eventually turn to cannibalism. That's what this poll represents. That a Donner party is waiting for us if we cannot win the day and fix our country.

 

[Jaskalas]

There have never been tens of millions of illegals in the US. The actual number peaked at 12.2 million in 2007 and has been decreasing ever since.

They believe you've legalized and/or just swept them under the rug by refusing to count everyone. They believe the number is 30+ million and growing by at least a half million every passing year.

 

[mikeymikec]

Well, as originally proposed in the constitution, only land owners were allowed to vote. Over time, you have essentially dumbed down the population. The "heroin junkie in Baltimore" gets the same vote I do. At least I contribute to the society I live in.

Being on welfare means that they haven't contributed? You don't perchance have a perception that every single person getting some kind of welfare payment from the state has been on it their entire adult life, do you?

Also, do you honestly believe that the only way to positively contribute to society is to pay taxes?

Once you take away voting rights from one group of people, it's easier to take them away from other groups. All you need is a convenient excuse each time, and/or to stack the deck so that lots more people end up on welfare (the "undesirables" of course, depending on the pov of the person wanting to strip people of their rights).

The welfare masses get bussed to the polls to vote for whoever will give them more money.

Reliable citation needed.

 

[Jaskalas]

Being on welfare means that they haven't contributed?

People are consumers. Being given welfare means they'll actually have something to contribute. Something being greater than nothing. A core component of Capitalism is for the people to participate, we should all endorse whatever accomplishes that with a minimum level needed for sustainability.

 

[Yakk]

Notable example, Hitler.

INDEED!

I was despairing of not seeing the most obvious example of how wrong things can go when elections are removed. 🙁 Many North American schools only glance, or do not even mention, the parts of history which contributed to the conflict in Europe beyond the wars themselves.

Ask around you, how many people really know WHY the wars happened?

Equally, or more, concerning are the conditions which lead to such a situation being able to take hold. On that note, it doesn't matter which political party floats the idea of postponing elections; right, left, right, up, down, or diagonal. People need to be educated to not repeat history and some serious questions should be asked about WHY this is even being proposed even if this was asked of the cuff.

 

[Paratus]

The whole premise here is BS. The average voter controls nothing about th vote. The party in power does.

There's no reason to cancel the vote when you can control who votes!
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat..._in_area_with_black_democrats_after_2008.html

 

[cytg111]

"The survey interviewed a sample of 1,325 Americans"

- How? Online questionnaire? If I was so inclined, could I take the test multiple times? (you can guess where I am going with this).

 

[zinfamous]

I didn't say my life was miserable at all. I just don't think they should have the right to vote when they contribute nothing but a financial drain to the society they cast votes for.

I think conservative knowledge welfare queens shouldn't have the right to vote when they daily exploit the gains made in medicine, technology, science, and space exploration all the while screaming about evil academics! evolution is a lie! climate science is wrong! smarty people are elite assholes ruining my life!

I think they should be denied the right to vote in a free society that provides them the endless amount of modern benefits that they refuse to accept were provided to them by clearly better people. At least, no more fat diabetic conservatives should receive a single dose of insulin until they are schooled in and accept the fact that these precious medicines exist because of knowledge gained through the fact of evolutionary biology.

You should lose a day's posting privilege on the internet for every complaint you make against academics and science. This should be an international law.

 

[Atreus21]

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...jority-of-democrats-want-third-term-for-obama

 

[zinfamous]

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...jority-of-democrats-want-third-term-for-obama

I believe that was also true for a majority of independents as well as a significant percentage of republicans during, and certainly after the general election.

I mean honestly ask yourself: How would Obama be worse than this diseased embarrassment that is currently shitting in the Oval office?

 

[Atreus21]

I believe that was also true for a majority of independents as well as a significant percentage of republicans during, and certainly after the general election.

I mean honestly ask yourself: How would Obama be worse than this diseased embarrassment that is currently shitting in the Oval office?

Ah, so you're okay with suspending democracy, as the OP put it, to keep the guy you want.

I guess it's only tribalism when it's the other guy huh?

 

[zinfamous]

Ah, so you're okay with suspending democracy, as the OP put it, to keep the guy you want.

I guess it's only tribalism when it's the other guy huh?

No, where did I say that was OK? I only suggested that well over half the country supported a democracy-suspending situation that would clearly keep this country stable; as opposed to the loud, uninformed niche rabble that supports the democracy-suspending situation that would and will utterly destroy this republic, if not the world.

I took your strawman and threw you a bone by giving it context. Does this bother you?

 

[IronWing]

Ah, so you're okay with suspending democracy, as the OP put it, to keep the guy you want.

I guess it's only tribalism when it's the other guy huh?

If I said, "I wish Reagan could be President again" the correct response would be, "If wishes were fishes." 'Cause, you know, he's dead. Same thing with Obama, the Constitution says "nope" so it's wishes and fishes. Fifty percent of Republicans, according to this poll, would be willing to suspend elections out of fear of their own creating. That's a very different thing. It shows 1) a desire to "win" that overrides democratic values and 2) a separation from reality that leads them to take destructive stances.

 

[Atreus21]

No, where did I say that was OK? I only suggested that well over half the country supported a democracy-suspending situation that would clearly keep this country stable; as opposed to the loud, uninformed niche rabble that supports the democracy-suspending situation that would and will utterly destroy this republic, if not the world.

I took your strawman and threw you a bone by giving it context. Does this bother you?

So wait. It's justifiable because it was Obama, right?

 

[Atreus21]

If I said, "I wish Reagan could be President again" the correct response would be, "If wishes were fishes." 'Cause, you know, he's dead. Same thing with Obama, the Constitution says "nope" so it's wishes and fishes. Fifty percent of Republicans, according to this poll, would be willing to suspend elections out of fear of their own creating. That's a very different thing. It shows 1) a desire to "win" that overrides democratic values and 2) a separation from reality that leads them to take destructive stances.

A strong majority of democrats in June 2016 would cancel the November 2016 election if it meant Obama could serve another term.

Half of Republicans would cancel the 2020 election until it could make sure that only eligible American citizens could vote.

I fail to see a difference in regards to the OPs accusation of tribalism.

 

[zinfamous]

So wait. It's justifiable because it was Obama, right?

again, not something I said or even suggested. Stop projecting and start thinking about the actual points that others are making.

 

[Atreus21]

again, not something I said or even suggested. Stop projecting and start thinking about the actual points that others are making.

You might forgive me if I mistook your twice-justifying it as a suggestion of your approval.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

So wait. It's justifiable because it was Obama, right?

holy fuck, you are either incredibly dense or willfully being obtuse. either way, damn....

 

[JujuFish]

They believe you've legalized and/or just swept them under the rug by refusing to count everyone. They believe the number is 30+ million and growing by at least a half million every passing year.

First, *I* haven't done anything.

Second, how do you suggest we combat that ignorance? No one likes being told they believe in lies. That will just make people feel like they're being attacked and go into defensive mode.

 

[zinfamous]

You might forgive me if I mistook your twice-justifying it as a suggestion of your approval.

wtf is wrong with you? are you this fucking stupid? show me where I approved of or justified this in those comments?

show me.

now.