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Poll: 1/2 of America thinks Dems are moving too far left.

Mai72

Mai72

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www.cnn.com

Half of Americans think the Democratic Party has moved too far left

There's zero question that President Donald Trump has moved the Republican Party to the right -- tonally and on things like immigration policy -- over the past few years. What is less well-covered is how far Democrats have tacked to the left in recent years, and how there appears to be some...
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Inteesting. Also, quite worrisome considering most of the Dem candidates lean very far to the left.

Thoughts?
 
Oh? Dems aren't unified solid centrists anymore. Well, I'm shocked.

That poll overall isn't scary at all, IMO. You can either vote Trump and co, or a group of people who want more Americans to get a bigger piece of the pie. Can't have both.
 
Mai72 said:
www.cnn.com

Half of Americans think the Democratic Party has moved too far left

There's zero question that President Donald Trump has moved the Republican Party to the right -- tonally and on things like immigration policy -- over the past few years. What is less well-covered is how far Democrats have tacked to the left in recent years, and how there appears to be some...
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com

Inteesting. Also, quite worrisome considering most of the Dem candidates lean very far to the left.

Thoughts?
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Not particularly interesting and honestly the democratic candidates are almost all very centrist when you compare their policies to the policies Americans say they want.
 
Propaganda works. That's the perception the GOP has been cultivating. It's a slur. I mean, when was the last time Dems weren't about universal healthcare, universal suffrage, women's rights, civil rights, Educational opportunity, taxing the rich, preserving the environment & all the rest of it? We haven't really gone anywhere even as the GOP has charged to the far right, telling us that Free Market Libertopia is just over the horizon.
 
Mai72 said:
www.cnn.com

Half of Americans think the Democratic Party has moved too far left

There's zero question that President Donald Trump has moved the Republican Party to the right -- tonally and on things like immigration policy -- over the past few years. What is less well-covered is how far Democrats have tacked to the left in recent years, and how there appears to be some...
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com

Inteesting. Also, quite worrisome considering most of the Dem candidates lean very far to the left.

Thoughts?
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No. Just no. The democratic party is no more left than it ever was, and has actually been dragged right, much further right than most other first world nations left wing. The American right-wing, on the other hand, is far, far, far right of the nearly the entire first world, save for some radicalized fascist parties.

www.nytimes.com

Opinion | What Happened to America’s Political Center of Gravity? (Published 2019)

The Republican Party is farther right than U.K.I.P. and France’s National Rally, according to an analysis of their platforms.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

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Amused said:
No. Just no. The democratic party is no more left than it ever was, and has actually been dragged right, much further right than most other first world nations left wing. The American right-wing, on the other hand, is far, far, far right of the nearly the entire first world, save for some radicalized fascist parties.

www.nytimes.com

Opinion | What Happened to America’s Political Center of Gravity? (Published 2019)

The Republican Party is farther right than U.K.I.P. and France’s National Rally, according to an analysis of their platforms.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

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Yes, that is true, but American voters do not judge the ideological stance of our parties against an international backdrop. They look at shifts in one direction or the other. And the dem party seems to have shifted leftward since Trump, or at least, it's progressive wing has gotten louder and stronger. Hence, the result of this poll.
 
woolfe9998 said:
Yes, that is true, but American voters do not judge the ideological stance of our parties against an international backdrop. They look at shifts in one direction or the other. And the dem party seems to have shifted leftward since Trump, or at least, it's progressive wing has gotten louder and stronger. Hence, the result of this poll.
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Again, no. This is relative and the left is further right than ever before. It is the right that has gone so far right, everything looks further left because of it.

Reality and perception here are not in sync.
 
Amused said:
Again, no. This is relative and the left is further right than ever before. It is the right that has gone so far right, everything looks further left because of it.

Reality and perception here are not in sync.
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If we're talking about voters here, perception is what matters. What would you suggest to bring perception more in alignment with reality? What I would suggest is for the dems to not nominate Warren or Sanders.
 
woolfe9998 said:
If we're talking about voters here, perception is what matters. What would you suggest to bring perception more in alignment with reality? What I would suggest is for the dems to not nominate Warren or Sanders.
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I would suggest the left stop allowing the radicalization of the right pull them further to the right than they already are.

So no. Nominate the social democrats. Nominating anything else is caving to pressure from people that will never vote for them anyway.
 
woolfe9998 said:
If we're talking about voters here, perception is what matters. What would you suggest to bring perception more in alignment with reality? What I would suggest is for the dems to not nominate Warren or Sanders.
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Voters would move more left if establishment also moved left on economic issues. Do you realize how many people just line up in the chowline? Instead, what is happening is the donors are shitting their pants that right economic policy would be implemented, so the establishment is wringing their hands. I can imagine there is some self-interest there as well.

These numbers aren't that meaningful either and definitely not more than a general election match-up early next year, which will be more illuminating than this flawed "measure".
 
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woolfe9998 said:
Yes, that is true, but American voters do not judge the ideological stance of our parties against an international backdrop. They look at shifts in one direction or the other. And the dem party seems to have shifted leftward since Trump, or at least, it's progressive wing has gotten louder and stronger. Hence, the result of this poll.
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It's deliberate propaganda. That's why they try to make AOC the poster girl for the Democrats. They did the same with Kucinich for a very long time.
 
The gender divide in US politics is dramatic.

RE Trump's performance as President
Approve men 45% women 30%
Disapprove men 49% women 66%

I wonder if that's the same everywhere, that the political divide is increasingly related to gender? I think it's always been somewhat that way in the US (but not in Europe) but it seems to be more extreme with Trump.

It seems it's that way in Poland also:

www.theguardian.com

Poland’s drift to right divides young male and female voters

Polls before Sunday’s elections show women under 30 typically more liberal than young men
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
So?

Even if I really cared, seems like something that can be addressed at primaries. I'm more concerned about the White House becoming a sewer of lies and treason.
 
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