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Politics through the mind of a liberal.

ProfJohn

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Saw this on another site and found it so fitting for this forum that I had to share.

I think we see many of these every day around here.
1) The economy: Massive borrowing and record government debt have not led to a recovery from the recession primarily because we were unwilling to borrow and spend trillions more to put people back to work through government employment and subsidy.

2) The market: The president cannot be blamed for massive losses in the stock market in the manner that the president was blamed in September 2008 for massive losses in the stock market.

3) The debt crisis: An historic downgrade in U.S. creditworthiness by a rating agency worried over unsustainable national debt was really attributable to loud acrimony and political infighting over unsustainable debt.

4) The wars: The Bush legacy in Afghanistan is making it impossible to salvage that war; the Obama legacy in Iraq continues to ensure success. The less we know what is going on in Libya, the better.

5) Health care: Obamacare is still a good thing and we will appreciate its upcoming implementation, but sadly it will not, as envisioned, save money, and understandably a number of firms and agencies will legitimately need to seek exemption from it.

6) Civility: The rough and rather cruel political climate of 2005–7 that saw vocabulary like Nazis and brownshirts, essays admitting “I hate George Bush” or dreaming of a return of a John Wilkes Booth or Lee Harvey Oswald, as well as the artistic’s community’s imagined presidential assassinations in film and fiction, was, nevertheless, a desperate cry of the heart — and nothing as excessive as the tea-party obstructionist politics that can be properly labeled as a jihadist/terrorist/al-Qaeda-like suicide bomber’s hijacking of the political process without worry over loss of civility.

7) Presidential unpopularity: The blunt liberal questioning of President Obama’s fitness for office, the absence of proper scrutiny of his thin resume, his innate inability to lead or inspire or even show passion, has nothing to do with race or background in a way that prior conservative questioning of President Obama’s fitness for office, the absence of proper scrutiny of his thin resume, his innate inability to lead or inspire or even show passion most surely did.

8) Liberal regret: Current liberal confessionals that many were mesmerized in 2008 and were inadequately attuned to deficiencies in Obama’s preparation and expertise — to the point of unfair deprecation of Hillary Clinton’s efforts — are much different from conservative worries that many liberals were mesmerized in 2008 and were inadequately attuned to deficiencies in Obama’s preparation and expertise.

9) Presidential comparisons: Upon further reflection, Jimmy Carter was a listless and unaspiring leader without strong liberal convictions; Bill Clinton was an unapologetic ideologue and consistently progressive advocate; the centrist Obama is regrettably more the former than the latter.

10) The War on Terror: The less said now about Guantanamo, tribunals, renditions, targeted Predator drone assassinations, preventive detention, wiretaps, and intercepts, the better.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...r-davis-hanson
 
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1) The economy: Massive borrowing and record government debt have not led to a recovery from the recession primarily because we were unwilling to borrow and spend trillions more to put people back to work through government employment and subsidy.
the so called "massive" stimulus was not enough to offset the cuts in private sector and state and local level
2) The market: The president cannot be blamed for massive losses in the stock market in the manner that the president was blamed in September 2008 for massive losses in the stock market.
Dow is up 3K points since Obama came into office. Are you here to give him credit?
3) The debt crisis: An historic downgrade in U.S. creditworthiness by a rating agency worried over unsustainable national debt was really attributable to loud acrimony and political infighting over unsustainable debt.
S&P came out and said that teabaggers openly downplaying default risk contributed to downgrade.
4) The wars: The Bush legacy in Afghanistan is making it impossible to salvage that war; the Obama legacy in Iraq continues to ensure success. The less we know what is going on in Libya, the better.
Are you comparing Lybia to Iraq or Afghanistan?
5) Health care: Obamacare is still a good thing and we will appreciate its upcoming implementation, but sadly it will not, as envisioned, save money, and understandably a number of firms and agencies will legitimately need to seek exemption from it.
Obamacare is a conservative, not liberal idea, so liberals don't think it's a good thing. It's good only for getting the ball rolling.
6) Civility: The rough and rather cruel political climate of 2005–7 that saw vocabulary like Nazis and brownshirts, essays admitting “I hate George Bush” or dreaming of a return of a John Wilkes Booth or Lee Harvey Oswald, as well as the artistic’s community’s imagined presidential assassinations in film and fiction, was, nevertheless, a desperate cry of the heart — and nothing as excessive as the tea-party obstructionist politics that can be properly labeled as a jihadist/terrorist/al-Qaeda-like suicide bomber’s hijacking of the political process without worry over loss of civility.
Economic damage that GOP threatened to the economy with default would have hurt America as a whole as much as a terrorist act would. So they used threat of catastrophic damage as leverage for their political ends. "Terrorist" label fits.
7) Presidential unpopularity: The blunt liberal questioning of President Obama’s fitness for office, the absence of proper scrutiny of his thin resume, his innate inability to lead or inspire or even show passion, has nothing to do with race or background in a way that prior conservative questioning of President Obama’s fitness for office, the absence of proper scrutiny of his thin resume, his innate inability to lead or inspire or even show passion most surely did.
This liberal voted for Hillary Clinton in the primary for the reasons you outline. I would say it's not a liberal/conservative thing, but idealist/pragmatist thing. That said, Obama got the ball rolling on health care reform, where Clinton failed.
8) Liberal regret: Current liberal confessionals that many were mesmerized in 2008 and were inadequately attuned to deficiencies in Obama’s preparation and expertise — to the point of unfair deprecation of Hillary Clinton’s efforts — are much different from conservative worries that many liberals were mesmerized in 2008 and were inadequately attuned to deficiencies in Obama’s preparation and expertise.
The mesmerized were the idealistic youngsters, and moderates who bought that Obama could overcome rabid partisanship, while Clinton was too polarizing. Pragmatic liberals knew that the right would bash any Democrat president regardless, and wanted a seasoned fighter like Clinton there.
9) Presidential comparisons: Upon further reflection, Jimmy Carter was a listless and unaspiring leader without strong liberal convictions; Bill Clinton was an unapologetic ideologue and consistently progressive advocate; the centrist Obama is regrettably more the former than the latter.
This is simply laughable, especially the Clinton part.
10) The War on Terror: The less said now about Guantanamo, tribunals, renditions, targeted Predator drone assassinations, preventive detention, wiretaps, and intercepts, the better.
I wouldn't lump all those together, but some pragmatism has kicked in on the left wrt Gitmo.
 
I think the problem with this whole line of thinking is that the right-wing's definition of a liberal now expands to include center-right moderates. If you don't follow the far right to the letter, you are a liberal (look how little leeway Republicans get before they get labeled a RINO) The consequence of that is that conservative ideas like the individual mandate and conservative presidents like Bill Clinton are now getting labeled as "liberal," and the public falls for it.
 
I like how the Republican mandate for purchasing insurance is the big problem with "obamacare."

If you wanted to criticize the guy legitimately, do so by saying he has no balls to pass it the way it should have been done; rather than the obviously smug and coy "Oh, you have to put this in there to get 8 of us to vote for it." "No, seriously, we like it. There's no way we're going to turn around and cry about constitutionality when it passes. No way, man. Uh...Romney told us to do it."

If anything, it's nothing more than a savvy play by the repubs to both inject, distance themselves from, then play pure populist mumbo-jumbo against their own mandate.
 
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Why didn't you just come out and say it was the National Review?
http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...imer-our-current-politics-victor-davis-hanson

Well, because sleazy rightwing propagandist wannabees don't like to admit that they get their information from even sleazier scum like the NRO, who are basically a mouthpiece for the Koch Bros and a prime locus in the vast rightwing echo chamber.

Credibility? Heh. Here's what they said about the Ownership Society in 2006, at the height of the madness-

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/218126/hate-burst-your-housing-bubble/jerry-bowyer#
 
I like how the Republican mandate for purchasing insurance is the big problem with "obamacare."

If you wanted to criticize the guy legitimately, do so by saying he has no balls to pass it the way it should have been done; rather than the obviously smug and coy "Oh, you have to put this in there to get 8 of us to vote for it." "No, seriously, we like it. There's no way we're going to turn around and cry about constitutionality when it passes. No way, man. Uh...Romney told us to do it."

If anything, it's nothing more than a savvy play by the repubs to both inject, distance themselves from, then play pure populist mumbo-jumbo against their own mandate.
The Republican problem with Obamacare is the whole damn thing which is why most if not all of the candidates are calling for it to be repealed.

The reason they focus on the insurance issue is because it may be unconstitutional and it certainly is a HUGE step in the wrong direction as far as government and its authority.

If the government can force you to buy health insurance what else can if force you to buy?
 
I miss the old system where threads would have subtitles. This one would be "rightwing circle jerk inside."

Such a ridiculous stringing together of strawman arguments.
 
The Republican problem with Obamacare is the whole damn thing which is why most if not all of the candidates are calling for it to be repealed.

The reason they focus on the insurance issue is because it may be unconstitutional and it certainly is a HUGE step in the wrong direction as far as government and its authority.

If the government can force you to buy health insurance what else can if force you to buy?



Was the insurance mandate not a Republican proposal to begin with? If the Republicans got the Democrats to agree to this instead of thier own ideas (public option, single payor, etc.) during the health care/insurance reform debate and are now crowing about its constitutionality, then they have negotiated in bad faith.
 
Politics through the mind of a conservative

1) The environment: Fluctuations in contemporary global temperatures are a result of the same ice ages and interglacial periods that have occurred for eons, ever since they were first Created six thousand years ago.

2) Anti-welfare: The number of people with no work ethic, living on welfare is just pathetic. These people should join the military and receive a regular government-paid income, paid college tuition, and public medical care.

3) Human value: The free market should ultimately determine the value of a given job, and if that means Chinese or Hispanics out-competing others in manufacturing, cleaning, or other menial labor, so be it. They are obviously better at what they do than those receiving minimum wage. Just don't let them live here.

4) Punishment: The USA leads the world in % incarcerated and we still have such high crimes rates? Time to stop with the wrist slapping!
 
the so called "massive" stimulus was not enough to offset the cuts in private sector and state and local level
Are these the same experts that said it would keep unemployment below 8%?

Dow is up 3K points since Obama came into office. Are you here to give him credit?
Yet unemployement rose from 7% to 10%

S&P came out and said that teabaggers openly downplaying default risk contributed to downgrade.
Can you quote that? I read the report and it said nothing like that.
 
http://politics.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979894146

According to Senior Director of S&P Joydeep Mukherji , certain political party members talking about letting America default undermined the stability and effectiveness of the political institutions and the country. The director went on to say even if it was just a few comments, "That a country even has such voices, albeit a minority, is something notable," he added. "This kind of rhetoric is not common amongst AAA sovereigns."
 
Are these the same experts that said it would keep unemployment below 8%?

Yet unemployement rose from 7% to 10%

So they underestimated the devastation on the economy created by the Republican policies of the Ownership Society, the biggest credit bubble in the history of finance.

Employment kept falling after Obama took office? No shit, Sherlock.. Stopping a debt/deflation spiral in a liquidity trap is kinda like stopping a runaway freight train headed downhill... especially when Repubs are pushing it to go faster...

Credit bubbles have consequences, like depressions & deep recessions. That's just the way deregulated financial capitalism works- Boom & Bust. Those consequences can be mitigated somewhat by fiscal & monetary policy, but they're still severe.

Children- always seeking instant gratification. There won't be any in this Republican created imbroglio, just a lot of misery & work.
 
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