Politics of Spite

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Genx87
I absolutely love the dementia of the left on the politics of spite. Those 8 years of Bush were nothing but glowing reviews and mature discussion from democrats and the left.

Like the last 7-8 months are something new in the world of politics.

You won't find a comparable situation during the Bush years, you're making the mistake of moral equivalency, again.

This <> that.

I dont recall America being in the running to host any Olympics during the Bush Administration. So yes, you are right. There is no comparable situation. That hardly makes Genx87s point any less valid.

Chicago was named as a finalist for the 2016 Olympics in, I believe, June of 2008. So unless Barack Hussein Obama (mmm mmm mmm) timewarped GWB that statement is inaccurate.

I thought the vote was just a few days ago, not back in June of 08. I guess I am mistaken then.

The FINAL vote.. between the 4 finalists. The 4 finalists were named last year.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: Genx87
I absolutely love the dementia of the left on the politics of spite. Those 8 years of Bush were nothing but glowing reviews and mature discussion from democrats and the left.

Like the last 7-8 months are something new in the world of politics.

When you can't refute the argument against the shameful behavior by "conservatives," at least you can point out that the "liberals" do it too... But since when do two wrongs make a right? Since when is "but he did it too!" an acceptable defense for acting like a child? What level of maturity do you have to be on to support the US getting the Olympics if your guy is in office but oppose it when it's his opponent? These "conservatives" talk about putting America first, but they'd rather see America fail if they aren't the ones driving the ship. That's petty. And it's wrong. It's immature bullshit masquerading as patriotism and supported by fools who think "you guys did it too!" is a valid argument.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy

Originally posted by: Genx87
I absolutely love the dementia of the left on the politics of spite. Those 8 years of Bush were nothing but glowing reviews and mature discussion from democrats and the left.

Like the last 7-8 months are something new in the world of politics.

When you can't refute the argument against the shameful behavior by "conservatives," at least you can point out that the "liberals" do it too... But since when do two wrongs make a right? Since when is "but he did it too!" an acceptable defense for acting like a child? What level of maturity do you have to be on to support the US getting the Olympics if your guy is in office but oppose it when it's his opponent? These "conservatives" talk about putting America first, but they'd rather see America fail if they aren't the ones driving the ship. That's petty. And it's wrong. It's immature bullshit masquerading as patriotism and supported by fools who think "you guys did it too!" is a valid argument.

I don't think anyone is saying that it's a good thing... but Krugman is very clearly attempting to make an argument that it's mostly 1-sided, which is flat out wrong.

I remember pretty clearly mocking Bush when he was unable to get opec to increase the flow of oil back when gas prices were skyrocketing.

but really, who the hell gives a shit about the Olympics? I remember a great sigh of relief when NYC didn't get the games a few years ago; no one wanted them except the politicians.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
The FINAL vote.. between the 4 finalists. The 4 finalists were named last year.

wasn't NYC a finalist for 2012?

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Genx87
I absolutely love the dementia of the left on the politics of spite. Those 8 years of Bush were nothing but glowing reviews and mature discussion from democrats and the left.

Like the last 7-8 months are something new in the world of politics.

You won't find a comparable situation during the Bush years, you're making the mistake of moral equivalency, again.

This <> that.

I dont recall America being in the running to host any Olympics during the Bush Administration. So yes, you are right. There is no comparable situation. That hardly makes Genx87s point any less valid.

Chicago was named as a finalist for the 2016 Olympics in, I believe, June of 2008. So unless Barack Hussein Obama (mmm mmm mmm) timewarped GWB that statement is inaccurate.

I thought the vote was just a few days ago, not back in June of 08. I guess I am mistaken then.

The FINAL vote.. between the 4 finalists. The 4 finalists were named last year.

Oh, so there was no final vote during Bushs term?
Do you get it yet?

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy

Originally posted by: Genx87
I absolutely love the dementia of the left on the politics of spite. Those 8 years of Bush were nothing but glowing reviews and mature discussion from democrats and the left.

Like the last 7-8 months are something new in the world of politics.

When you can't refute the argument against the shameful behavior by "conservatives," at least you can point out that the "liberals" do it too... But since when do two wrongs make a right? Since when is "but he did it too!" an acceptable defense for acting like a child? What level of maturity do you have to be on to support the US getting the Olympics if your guy is in office but oppose it when it's his opponent? These "conservatives" talk about putting America first, but they'd rather see America fail if they aren't the ones driving the ship. That's petty. And it's wrong. It's immature bullshit masquerading as patriotism and supported by fools who think "you guys did it too!" is a valid argument.

Well theres certainly no shortage of that mindset on either side of the isle.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Oh, so there was no final vote during Bushs term?
Do you get it yet?

the final vote for the 2012 Olympics, in which NYC was a finalist, occurred in the summer of 2005

if I remember correctly, Bush wasn't involved with it personally at all... nor has any other president ever before this afaik. the primary campaigner for NYC '12 was the city's major, and they made it into the second round before losing.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Genx87
I absolutely love the dementia of the left on the politics of spite. Those 8 years of Bush were nothing but glowing reviews and mature discussion from democrats and the left.

Like the last 7-8 months are something new in the world of politics.

You won't find a comparable situation during the Bush years, you're making the mistake of moral equivalency, again.

This <> that.

I dont recall America being in the running to host any Olympics during the Bush Administration. So yes, you are right. There is no comparable situation. That hardly makes Genx87s point any less valid.

No, the burden is on you guys, please give me some examples of things that were good for the country that the mainstream left poo-poo'd just because Bush was for it.

You won't find an example, this is beyond general partisan sniping, that's the point I was making.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Welcome to incumbency.

That does not excuse their childish, partisan, anti-American behavior. Of course, it's not a surprise from the people who want the country to fail so they can get back in power.

The circle of political party life.... but it is funny how most people always see it as an attack on their beloved party forgetting they were pulling the same shit.

This anti-American tag line is getting thrown back and forth so much... it seems it has lost its meaning.

They celebrated the US not hosting the Olympics. Spin it all you want but that's anti-American.

Why? Its amsuing to watch the "Not my President!" bullshit get carried on. You know, the "Not my President" bullshit started by the Democrats a few years back. Seems the shoe is now on the other foot. Instead of the Democrats cheering the death of US soldiers and the Iraqi War its now Republicans cheering Chicago not hosting the Olympics.

Funny you decide to now feign outrage at something that has been happening for years.

To the point, Republicans are quite anti-"American", assuming you use the Democrats view of what America should be. Which is more akin to what Venezuela or Russia are, so yes I would oppose the Democrats idea of America as well.

So then you admit the Republicans are now acting exactly as they did during the Clinton Administration?

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: ayabe

No, the burden is on you guys, please give me some examples of things that were good for the country that the mainstream left poo-poo'd just because Bush was for it.

You won't find an example, this is beyond general partisan sniping, that's the point I was making.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=52&threadid=2142837

I see a lot of happy people over OPEC refusing to increase production.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: ayabe

No, the burden is on you guys, please give me some examples of things that were good for the country that the mainstream left poo-poo'd just because Bush was for it.

You won't find an example, this is beyond general partisan sniping, that's the point I was making.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=52&threadid=2142837

I see a lot of happy people over OPEC refusing to increase production.

I seem to remember a glut of avialable oil with tankers waiting weeks to unload and prices spiking $4.00 plus due to hysterical speculation.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy

Originally posted by: Genx87
I absolutely love the dementia of the left on the politics of spite. Those 8 years of Bush were nothing but glowing reviews and mature discussion from democrats and the left.

Like the last 7-8 months are something new in the world of politics.

When you can't refute the argument against the shameful behavior by "conservatives," at least you can point out that the "liberals" do it too... But since when do two wrongs make a right? Since when is "but he did it too!" an acceptable defense for acting like a child? What level of maturity do you have to be on to support the US getting the Olympics if your guy is in office but oppose it when it's his opponent? These "conservatives" talk about putting America first, but they'd rather see America fail if they aren't the ones driving the ship. That's petty. And it's wrong. It's immature bullshit masquerading as patriotism and supported by fools who think "you guys did it too!" is a valid argument.

I don't think anyone is saying that it's a good thing... but Krugman is very clearly attempting to make an argument that it's mostly 1-sided, which is flat out wrong.

I remember pretty clearly mocking Bush when he was unable to get opec to increase the flow of oil back when gas prices were skyrocketing.

but really, who the hell gives a shit about the Olympics? I remember a great sigh of relief when NYC didn't get the games a few years ago; no one wanted them except the politicians.

What is wrong about Krugman's argument, the fact that it is one sided or factually incorrect, and how would either negate the point Atomic made, a point I think is quite valid and important?

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Ausm
It took Krugman until now to figure this out?

It's not so much that, it's that he put it into rather a set of well written words.

Originally posted by: Genx87
I absolutely love the dementia of the left on the politics of spite. Those 8 years of Bush were nothing but glowing reviews and mature discussion from democrats and the left.

Like the last 7-8 months are something new in the world of politics.

Fail.

I'm sorry but were the democrats and their organizations actively cheering when we lost in Iraq? When solider got blown to bits? No, they didn't. Krugmans right, the present day Republican Party literally consists of a bunch of spoiled-rotten 13 year old teenagers.

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy

Originally posted by: Genx87
I absolutely love the dementia of the left on the politics of spite. Those 8 years of Bush were nothing but glowing reviews and mature discussion from democrats and the left.

Like the last 7-8 months are something new in the world of politics.

When you can't refute the argument against the shameful behavior by "conservatives," at least you can point out that the "liberals" do it too... But since when do two wrongs make a right? Since when is "but he did it too!" an acceptable defense for acting like a child? What level of maturity do you have to be on to support the US getting the Olympics if your guy is in office but oppose it when it's his opponent? These "conservatives" talk about putting America first, but they'd rather see America fail if they aren't the ones driving the ship. That's petty. And it's wrong. It's immature bullshit masquerading as patriotism and supported by fools who think "you guys did it too!" is a valid argument.

I don't think anyone is saying that it's a good thing... but Krugman is very clearly attempting to make an argument that it's mostly 1-sided, which is flat out wrong.

I remember pretty clearly mocking Bush when he was unable to get opec to increase the flow of oil back when gas prices were skyrocketing.

but really, who the hell gives a shit about the Olympics? I remember a great sigh of relief when NYC didn't get the games a few years ago; no one wanted them except the politicians.

Meh, Bush made a point to campaign on bringing (almost guaranteeing it IIRC) cheap oil to US markets and failed to do so. Ridicule justified.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: Tab
I'm sorry but were the democrats and their organizations actively cheering when we lost in Iraq? When solider got blown to bits? No, they didn't. Krugmans right, the present day Republican Party literally consists of a bunch of spoiled-rotten 13 year old teenagers.

Look, we have a problem in this country with the media outlets putting out horribly slanted pieces, and each outlet almost high-fiving each other every step of the way. Any person can easily fall into seeing the narrow-minded views of either side.

The Republicans look like spoiled-rotten 13 year old teenagers because the media outlets you pay attention to portray them as spoiled-rotten 13 year old teenagers. Doesn't make it true.

Others her see the Democrats looking like spoiled-rotten 13 year old teenagers because the media outlets they pay attention to portray them as spoiled-rotten 13 year old teenagers. Doesn't make it true either.

One media outlet is condemning Joe Wilson while making Alan Grayson a celebrity. Another media outlet is condemning Alan Grayson while making Joe Wilson a celebrity. Doesn't make either position true when you really look at the situations.

 

[woodie1]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Look, we have a problem in this country with the media outlets putting out horribly slanted pieces, and each outlet almost high-fiving each other every step of the way. Any person can easily fall into seeing the narrow-minded views of either side.

The Republicans look like spoiled-rotten 13 year old teenagers because the media outlets you pay attention to portray them as spoiled-rotten 13 year old teenagers. Doesn't make it true.

Others her see the Democrats looking like spoiled-rotten 13 year old teenagers because the media outlets they pay attention to portray them as spoiled-rotten 13 year old teenagers. Doesn't make it true either.

One media outlet is condemning Joe Wilson while making Alan Grayson a celebrity. Another media outlet is condemning Alan Grayson while making Joe Wilson a celebrity. Doesn't make either position true when you really look at the situations.

Well said! Wonder how many people on here really see it that way though. 😉

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Originally posted by: woodie1

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Look, we have a problem in this country with the media outlets putting out horribly slanted pieces, and each outlet almost high-fiving each other every step of the way. Any person can easily fall into seeing the narrow-minded views of either side.

The Republicans look like spoiled-rotten 13 year old teenagers because the media outlets you pay attention to portray them as spoiled-rotten 13 year old teenagers. Doesn't make it true.

Others her see the Democrats looking like spoiled-rotten 13 year old teenagers because the media outlets they pay attention to portray them as spoiled-rotten 13 year old teenagers. Doesn't make it true either.

One media outlet is condemning Joe Wilson while making Alan Grayson a celebrity. Another media outlet is condemning Alan Grayson while making Joe Wilson a celebrity. Doesn't make either position true when you really look at the situations.

Well said! Wonder how many people on here really see it that way though. 😉

Only a handful.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy

Originally posted by: Genx87
I absolutely love the dementia of the left on the politics of spite. Those 8 years of Bush were nothing but glowing reviews and mature discussion from democrats and the left.

Like the last 7-8 months are something new in the world of politics.

When you can't refute the argument against the shameful behavior by "conservatives," at least you can point out that the "liberals" do it too... But since when do two wrongs make a right? Since when is "but he did it too!" an acceptable defense for acting like a child? What level of maturity do you have to be on to support the US getting the Olympics if your guy is in office but oppose it when it's his opponent? These "conservatives" talk about putting America first, but they'd rather see America fail if they aren't the ones driving the ship. That's petty. And it's wrong. It's immature bullshit masquerading as patriotism and supported by fools who think "you guys did it too!" is a valid argument.

Oh I will wait for your faux outrage if conservatives\republicans ever gain control of the govt again and the left goes back into attack mode. I suspect it will be rather silent or you will actively participate in it like you most likely have the last 8 years. So spare me the high and mighty attitude you are somehow above it all. And that what is going on is the worst thing to happen to this country.

You will note nowhere in my response did I approve or disapprove of the behavior. Only pointing out the absolute hypocrisy and laughingat the left in this argument of petty politics.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Tab
I'm sorry but were the democrats and their organizations actively cheering when we lost in Iraq? When solider got blown to bits? No, they didn't. Krugmans right, the present day Republican Party literally consists of a bunch of spoiled-rotten 13 year old teenagers.

Look, we have a problem in this country with the media outlets putting out horribly slanted pieces, and each outlet almost high-fiving each other every step of the way. Any person can easily fall into seeing the narrow-minded views of either side.

The Republicans look like spoiled-rotten 13 year old teenagers because the media outlets you pay attention to portray them as spoiled-rotten 13 year old teenagers. Doesn't make it true.

Others her see the Democrats looking like spoiled-rotten 13 year old teenagers because the media outlets they pay attention to portray them as spoiled-rotten 13 year old teenagers. Doesn't make it true either.

One media outlet is condemning Joe Wilson while making Alan Grayson a celebrity. Another media outlet is condemning Alan Grayson while making Joe Wilson a celebrity. Doesn't make either position true when you really look at the situations.

Wow, that's fantastic I've never thought of that. :roll:

The present-day Republican Party is a prime example of immaturity. The United States loses hosting the Olympics and the right cheers. The isn't a loss for Obama, this is a loss for the United States.

Originally posted by: Genx87
Oh I will wait for your faux outrage if conservatives\republicans ever gain control of the govt again and the left goes back into attack mode. I suspect it will be rather silent or you will actively participate in it like you most likely have the last 8 years. So spare me the high and mighty attitude you are somehow above it all. And that what is going on is the worst thing to happen to this country.

You will note nowhere in my response did I approve or disapprove of the behavior. Only pointing out the absolute hypocrisy and laughingat the left in this argument of petty politics.

Waaahaaaaaaahaaaaaaha but they do it too mommie!

Have fun losing elections next term. 🙂

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: Tab
Wow, that's fantastic I've never thought of that. :roll:

The present-day Republican Party is a prime example of immaturity. The United States loses hosting the Olympics and the right cheers. The isn't a loss for Obama, this is a loss for the United States.

You're living in a media bubble, they are taking some of the details, and creating their own version of the full story. And people like you can't get enough...


On the other hand, I guess Limbaugh really did tear into America with his response to the failed bid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh8Mm_lU1yg

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Tab
Wow, that's fantastic I've never thought of that. :roll:

The present-day Republican Party is a prime example of immaturity. The United States loses hosting the Olympics and the right cheers. The isn't a loss for Obama, this is a loss for the United States.

You're living in a media bubble, they are taking some of the details, and creating their own version of the full story. And people like you can't get enough...


On the other hand, I guess Limbaugh really did tear into America with his response to the failed bid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh8Mm_lU1yg

You're telling me I live in a bubble and you then quote Rush Limbaugh. :disgust:

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Tab
Wow, that's fantastic I've never thought of that. :roll:

The present-day Republican Party is a prime example of immaturity. The United States loses hosting the Olympics and the right cheers. The isn't a loss for Obama, this is a loss for the United States.

You're living in a media bubble, they are taking some of the details, and creating their own version of the full story. And people like you can't get enough...


On the other hand, I guess Limbaugh really did tear into America with his response to the failed bid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh8Mm_lU1yg

You're telling me I live in a bubble and you then quote Rush Limbaugh. :disgust:

Get a clue. I searched youtube to try and find exactly who in the GOP was cheering, and couldn't find it. All I could find was left-wing media saying all of the GOP was cheering.

I don't listen to Limbaugh, I just came across it on youtube, figured I'll see what his exciting cheering response was, this was the first time I've listened to it. And it really wasn't anything like the left portrays it as.

You really are living in a media bubble if you believe the GOP was cheering the loss of the Olympics.



Actually here around Chicago you had people of all types, left, right, center, up, down, Republican, Democrat, for and against the Olympics. Hell, we even went through the accusations from minority groups (i.e. *not* GOP affiliated) that the Chicago Olympic bid was entirely based on racism, to relocate low-income blacks out of the city :roll:

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Oh I will wait for your faux outrage if conservatives\republicans ever gain control of the govt again and the left goes back into attack mode. I suspect it will be rather silent or you will actively participate in it like you most likely have the last 8 years. So spare me the high and mighty attitude you are somehow above it all. And that what is going on is the worst thing to happen to this country.

You will note nowhere in my response did I approve or disapprove of the behavior. Only pointing out the absolute hypocrisy and laughingat the left in this argument of petty politics.

When I criticized Bush, it was because he pushed us into a war with Iraq which has cost us trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives (including one of my friends) for absolutely no reason. When the right criticizes Obama, it's because he wants to bring the Olympics to this country. It's not the same ballpark. If you're going to have a ravenous, venemous hatred of a politician (which I don't recommend, but, let's face it, it's a hatred many people on the left have for Bush and many on the right have for Obama), I think losing family members to a war that was sold on complete lies is perhaps a slightly better rationale than anything Obama has done so far...

Actually, I can't really think of a single thing that Obama has done to justify any of the venemous hatred that is directed at him. Continuing provisions in the Patriot Act and slowing the closure of Gitmo are big strikes and I'm not pleased with that at all, but those are just continuing the policies of the Bush administration, so it's illogical that that is why conservative pundits are so quick to bash him. So what is it? What has Obama done that is so "evil"? Disagreeing with a politician's stance on the issues is not enough to warrant calling them evil, yet that seems to be the rhetoric that people on the right are increasingly turning to when referencing Obama. What is it? Is it just a cash grab by Fox News who learned decades ago that angry partisan rhetoric sells? Is it racism, which so many on the left are quick to dismiss it as without taking the time to listen to see if those on the right have a legitimate complaint? Surely we can't have sunk so far that we simply hate anyone who disagrees with us on principle... or maybe that's how it's always been, and the hatred just has a larger sounding board now. I don't know.

You're right, it happens on both sides. But that's not a justification (not a good one anyway). There has to be something logical behind the hatred, or else people are just screaming for the sheer joy of having a target for their rage. What has Obama done that justifies the hatred, that justifies opponents cheering when Chicago loses the Olympics, that causes, as Jon Stewart put it, "conservatives to hate Obama even more than they love America"?

 

[jackschmittusa]

I am one who bitched about Bush for 8 years. And I did it because I thought so much of what he was doing was bad for the country (and often, the world). For the most part, I backed up my bitching with facts, rational thought, and reasonable alternatives.

So much of what has transpired in the attacks on this administration has been based on BS, outright lies, and pure stupidity. It boggles the mind sometimes.

There is just no comparison.

 

[nageov3t]

For the most part, I backed up my bitching with facts, rational thought, and reasonable alternatives.

So much of what has transpired in the attacks on this administration has been based on BS, outright lies, and pure stupidity. It boggles the mind sometimes.

I'd imagine that the people bitching about Obama believe just as strongly that they're backing up their bitching with facts, rational thought, and reasonable alternatives, and that the people bitching about Bush were based on BS, outright lies, and pure stupidity.