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Political Stance Thread

Stunt

Diamond Member
I thought i'd be interesting to hear where most people stand on important issues. If you'd like me to add any, just ask.

Areas:
Social Stances
Domestic Stances
Foreign Stances
Military Stances
 
Here are my answers 🙂

1) Gay Marriage?
Yes, in the eyes of the government they should be able to get married. Its then up to religous leaders to decide if their religion will marry gay couples. And for crying outloud, dont call it civil union, just call it marriage.

2) Abortion?
Yes, Retrictions. Everyone gets three months from conception to decide if they are going to have an abortion or not. Should cost, but nothing major. After the first three months then it can only be done on a doctors recomendation

3) Marijuana?
Decriminalize. Society hasnt made up its mind on this one and frankly I dont care either way. I feel that society has accepted it somewhat and penalties for having a small number of Marijuana in your possession is not a big deal, small fine at most. To completely legalize it, not yet or if ever.

4) Stem Cell Research?
State Funded, private funded, anything. Bright future ahead.

5) Laws?
What? vote status quo. But it depends on where hou live what changes are needed.

6) Affirmative Action?
Passive, generaly not supported of it, but sometimes its needed so I havent made up my mind entirely.

7) Death Penalty?
Passive. I used to be entirely against it but its starting to change, in extreme cases I think its justified but generaly no its not how we should do things. For example I think the US uses it way to much.

8) Healthcare?
Universal, free. Governments should set the health standard which its citizens should have. A privelidge for richer citizens only pushes the gap between rich and poor further away.

9) Education?
Universal Public, can opt out for private. Same reasons as for healthcare, but for higher education special private schools should be able to offer teachings which public schools can not yet offer (in new fields, fields with low numbers of people in). Schools for kids from 6 years to ~18 years should be for the most part only public. Government sets the minimum education level its citizens should have so to speak. Both with this and healthcare it pushes the poorest parts of the population higher up and therefore helping everyone.

10) Taxes?
Depends on the economy and the budget of said country. Vote for Just right.

11) Spending?
Too high. Applies to just about everywhere, governments are generaly wasteful, some more than others but sometimes waste is needed to vitalize the economy.

12) Welfare?
Yes. As with the healthcare and education. As a group it helps the country to take care of its weakest, after all we are group animals and that is what has brought us everything humanity has today.

13) Gun Control?
Strict. All guns bought should be registered and traceable, hard to do yes but overall worth it for society. It should not be done so people have a hard time getting one, think of it as car registrations.

14) Nukes?
Nobody. A tricky one since the current situation does not work where only a handful of countries are "allowed" to have nukes while the rest not. After all the non-proliferation treaty signed at the end of the cold war required current nuke countries to dismantle their nuclear arsenal. That was not done, or not done fast enough to the point that some countries couldnt wait any longer. Pakistan, India, North Korea, probably Iran someday are all a result from that bad treaty. Or lets say a good treaty with a bad follow through.

15) Democracy?
Let things change on their own, sanction, anything but war. The country must be ready and its not something you can easily force upon societies. Sanctions dont work either since they are mostly just effective on democratic countries who trust on international trade in the first place.

16) Global Community?
Work with other countries. No brainer.

18) Military?
Should be smaller (less international role). Work more with other countries, save some money, spend it on healthcare and education. Try to get your way with a propper global support and dont get trigger happy if it takes longer than a single 4 year term, or even 8. The more people you work with the slower the wheel turns, forcing it is not an option.


And you are missing nr17 😛
 
Lets see...

1. Why should orientation matter if two people honestly love eachother? I happen to know a few people of that persuasion (men and women both), and if they want to marry their partner, I say more power to 'em. It does not affect my life in any meaningful way, and if it makes them happy, great.

2. Whether or not I could make that call myself, I'm not sure. I suppose it would depend on the circumstances. But if someone else wants or needs to (perhaps for medical reasons, or they were raped), why flat-out deny them that option because *you* disagree with it?

3. Legalize it

4. Other medical research is often state-funded, so why not this?

5. With the exceptions of the stuff in the first three questions, I think laws should stay pretty much as they are.

6. I don't disagree with AF in principle, but when businesses and schools deny deserving people because they have quotas to fill, that's not right, either.

7. The death penalty really doesn't seem to deter anybody. On the other hand, some people deserve such a punishment for their crimes. Do you really think a mass murderer is going to sit in prison for the rest of his life regretting what he did?

8. Universal Healthcare sounds great, but the entry fee seems like it would be awfully steep. I wonder how much we'd have to increase taxes to pay for it? and what do you do with all the people who work for HMOs and other insurance companies when nobody needs private health insurance?

9. Public education, at least until you're through highschool. And of course you have the ability to opt out for private schools. That said, I do realize that the PE system as it stands now certainly needs some work.

10. fix this one and I'll answer it 😛

11. Jr. is blowing through way too much money. Had it not been for the war, this probably wouldn't be so much of a problem.

12. Welfare, with restrictions. baring any major medical conditions that *keep* you from working, there should be time limits on how long you can draw welfare without having any kind of job.

13. I don't want to repeal the 2nd amendment, but I think some gun control would not be a bad idea. Like I've said in a previous thread: why any normal, law-abiding citizen would need an arsenal of automatic weapons (and yes, I do know the difference between semi-auto and full-auto. I mean full-auto) is beyond me.

14. I don't like the idea of a nuclear free-for-all, but banning them may not be a good idea either. Research goes on and the knowledge exists whether the weapons are banned or not, so I doubt something like that would get rid of all of them.

15. War should be a last-ditch effort if absolutely nothing else works and, IMO, should really only happen if the country we're going to war against poses a deffinite, identifiable threat to the US. Otherwise, volunteer to help if they're trying to change somewhat peaceably, or stay out of it.

16. Work with other countries.

17. I do not agree with the war in Iraq, so I'm going to vote for a smaller military and less international involvement. I know we have soldiers posted all over the world, but that is the single biggest one I can think of.

Nate
 
what is the difference between "decriminalize" and "legalize" in the MJ question, anyway?

Nate
 
Originally posted by: NTB
what is the difference between "decriminalize" and "legalize" in the MJ question, anyway?

Nate
You still get fined and it's illegal, you just don't get a criminal record.
 
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: NTB
what is the difference between "decriminalize" and "legalize" in the MJ question, anyway?

Nate
You still get fined and it's illegal, you just don't get a criminal record.

ah, ok 🙂

Nate
 
1)Yes

2)Restriction and only free when the mother is capable of paying.

3)Decriminalize, we don't need to put stoners in jail.

4)Federally Funded.

5)That's a bad question, are you asking in general should laws be stricter or softer? I have no idea.

6)I don't know enough about this to comment on it.

7)Yes, but don't fvck up.

8)Universal, other can go to other places if they've got the cash.

9)Universal, others can go to other places if they've got the cash.

10)No idea. Don't pay anything at the moment.

11)Goverment spending? Re allocate funds to be spent INSIDE the states.

12)Yes

13)Make it so only the normal non-homicidal people can get firearms.

14)I don't think there are any contries that are that stupid to use such a weapon.

15)Democracy can't work being forced.

16)Work with others as much as possible.

 
There are some questions that seemed to be looking for Bias'd Answers.

For instance there is the Stem Cell Study Questions. It might be possible to study stemcells extracted from the nose. Growing Embryos to kill them for research is just inhumane.
 
1. Gay Marriage - No...Civil Unions yes.
2. Abortion - Yes, with restrictions...No abortions after a certain time period, say a month, from conception.
3. Marijuana - Legalize...It's about time it's legalized, it's no worst than alcohol.
4. Stem Cell Research - Private Funded...The govt can't afford to fund it right now.
5. Laws - Status Quo
6. Affirmative Action - NO...not under any circumstances.
7. Death Penalty - Yes...It's about punishment, not determent.
8. Health Care - Mostly Private, poor get funding...It's what we have now in the form of free hospitals.
9. Education - Universal public, opt out for private...Also what we have now.
10. Taxes - Just right...can't lower them now, deficit is too high (Raising is not an option for me).
11. Spending - Too High...No doubt about this one.
12. Welfare - No...creates dependency among the people that use it.
13. Gun Control - Light...People commit the crimes, not Guns. 2nd Amendment.
14. Nukes - First world...but I'd say only responsible countries.
15. Democracy - Let things change on their own...However, not always possible.
16. Global Community - Do what's best for us.
17. Military - Just Right...We can't afford to cut military in the middle of 2 wars.

Edit: Spelling
 
1. Gay Marriage...Gov't can't descriminate, mix with seperation of church and state. Answer is leave marriage/divorce to churches, gov't only issues civil unions (not marriage) to everybody. If a gay couple wants marriage, let them find a church that'll marry them.

2. Abortion... Only when the life of the mother is at a very high risk.

3. Marijuana... Don't decriminalize, but turn a blind eye to people who use it descretely in their homes. If they take it to the streets, then arrest 'em.

4. Stem Cell... Don't create embryos like they are in So. Korea. The House resolution about old lines from fertility clinics is fine.

5. Laws... no opinion

6. Affirmative Action... Race has nothing to do with anything. Make it based on economics. Poor people should have an advantage over the rich, as they have to work much harder for the same opportunities.

7. Death Penalty ... NO.

8. Universal with a catch... France has a good model. You are guaranteed health care, you aren't guaranteed the best. Old medicines, technology if you can?t subsidize the best health care yourself.

9. Education ... Universal Public can opt out for private

10. Taxes... For our current responsiblities too high. Obviously if universal health care then too low.

11. Spending... Shift is definetly required, too much pork. Deficits are fine considering we are at war.

12. Welfare... Yes but very limited, maybe 2 years lifetime.

13. Gun Control... Strict but I believe that should require a constitutional amendment.

14. Nukes... Only for stable democracies.

15. Democracy... Force it, but not with military force. Stood on the other side of this, but learned my lesson with Iraq.

16. Global Community... Generally work with them, but at times go it alone.

17. Military... Less international role...But not until the mid-east is stable.


Great thread.
 
1. Gay Marriage - passive, i frankly don't give a $hit. do whatever you want to do as long as it doesn't hurt me, and this doesn't.

2. abortion - no, plenty of people wanting to adopt

3. Weed - Decriminalize, do whatever you want to do in the safety of your own home

4. stem cells - private, i don't want more government money being spent and syphoned off to other crap

5. laws - i voted harder but i wish i would have voted status quo after czar's comment

6. Affirmative action - no, i read a really good article about how AA promotes discrimination, i just wish i could find it again.

7. Death penalty - yes, i don't want to keep paying for their stay in a jail cell

8. Health care - mostly private, i like the way it is now

9. education - i like the private opt out. that is what i did my whole life. now if we got a tax break for the tuition too...

10. taxes - too high, but it keeps me busy and employed

11. spending - too high, too many crappy gov programs that are just dead wood (see below)

12. welfare - nope, too many people take advantage of it

13. gun control - light, i don't think we need a fully automatic gas powered assault rifle to hunt duck...though it would be fun.

14. nukes - tough one, i voted 1st world only. if ya got em, keep em. don't build any more.

15. democracy - i didn't like this question, i voted butt out. lets let the anti-americanism pass over and then start over

16. global community - work with others. i think that's a "duh"

17. military - just right, but maybe throw in a mandatory two year military service! J/K to all you lefties out there.
 
1. Opposed to gay marriage, but have little issue with civil unions. Marriage is about a union between a man and woman and that is really all there is too it. Get the goverment out of marriage. Remove any refernce to marriage in the tax code and most of the political issues are solved.

2. Legal with restriction, preferably they only occur in the first trimester. Minors must have parental notificiation. No federal funding of abortions.

3. Decrimilize. Stregthen DUI laws. crimes commited while under the influence of any drug should carry swift and harsh penalties.

4. Privatly funded until ethical issues are worked out.

5. Too vague. In general I am in favor of fewer laws.

6. No. It is time for the world to colorblind. The content of ones character is far more important than the color of ones skin.

7. Yes.

8. Mostly private, with aid to those that qualify.

9. Universal k-12, paid to private/public shcool of your choice via a voucher

10. Too high and more importantly too complicated.

11. Way too high. All spendingthat cannot be constitutionaly rationalized should be pushed down to the states.

12. Yes, but very limited(voted no)

13. Light. Ownership of guns was never about hunting, it was about self defense from criminals and tyrinical goverment.

14. Stable democratic goverments only.

15. Case by case basis, but butting out is a good policy.

16. Do what is best for US.

17. Should be larger with less internation roll. Like every other goverment agency it needs to gross waste removed.
 
1. Laws?
Um, be more specific?
2. You're missing an option in the "Healthcare?" section:
"Universal, mostly private"
The first two options look very much like socialized health care, which universal healthcare does not have to be. I'd trust the government--OK, trust as much as I can; not fully trust--to tax and pay, but not to run hospitals and such 🙂.
 
1) Yes. Hurts no one and provides equal protection for same-sex marriage participants.

2) Yes, Restrictions. Anything after the 1st trimester should be for emergency medical purposes only.

3) Legalize. More people aren't going to take it up and the tax revenue stream will be an initial windfall (to be applied to the national debt.)

4) State Funded. Cut military spending by 1-2%.

5) Status Quo. Just enforce them more and stick to harsher sentences for violent criminals.

6) No. Merit-based hiring/entry should be all that's needed.

7) No. Pointless, expensive.

8) Universal, free, rich can pay elsewhere. Reign in Medicare/Medicaid fraud. Penalize violators severely. Cut military spending by 1-2% to help cover costs.

9) Universal Public, can opt out for private. Increase Federal grants for colleges/universities. Reign in corruption in the schoolbook industry to lower costs ($150-200 for a fvcking book?!?!)

10) Not high enough. Taxes need to be higher, esp. the BS 5.25% corporate tax rate for "re-patriated" dollars. The national debt is too big to carry on at our current tax levels.

11) WAY too high. Reign in defense spending and setup independent auditing of all defense contractors to control corruption/costs.

12) Yes (but limited). 3-year graduated plan:
- First year recipient receives living wages (including childcare, if necessary). This would enable someone to obtain job training or the first year of a two-year degree.
- Second year benefits are reduced to 80% of first year
- Third year is cut to 50% if recipient is still below poverty level. Third-year benefits are eliminated completely if recipient is gainfully employed and self-sufficient.
- Post three-year plan, rely upon private charity.

13) Light. 7-day waiting list isn't hurting anyone at all. Felons still not allowed to own a gun. Although, imho, the framers' intention of the 2nd Amendment was with threats to national/regional security in mind (and, hence, the formation of state militia), not for every American to possess a Concealed Deadly Weapon permit.

14) Eliminate them all.

15) Let things change on their own. We should butt out completely except for situations that involve genocide or military aggression that involves invasion of a neighboring country or blockading of trade.

16) Work with other countries. This isn't the Middle Ages anymore. We're all dependent upon one another at this point.

17) Should be smaller (MUCH less international role). We don't need to direct the UN. It's United Nations, America's Playground.
 
that tax one should have said tax ssytem based off income, tax the rich more, tax the middle class less, don't tax the poor ---> option 1

option 2

everyone pays the same

option 3.. make up

option 4 make up (you choose)
 
Everybody seems to want to spend more money, but are taxed too much, though want no laws to deal with it. ODD
 
Originally posted by: dannybin1742
that tax one should have said tax ssytem based off income, tax the rich more, tax the middle class less, don't tax the poor ---> option 1

option 2

everyone pays the same

option 3.. make up

option 4 make up (you choose)
Pays the same is vague, and i think people have a good understanding of the taxes question.
 
1. Gay Marriage - No...Civil Unions yes.
2. Abortion - Yes, with restrictions...No abortions after a certain time period, say a month, from conception.
3. Marijuana - Legalize...It's about time it's legalized, it's no worst than alcohol.
4. Stem Cell Research - Private Funded...The govt can't afford to fund it right now.
5. Laws - Status Quo
6. Affirmative Action - NO...not under any circumstances.
7. Death Penalty - Yes...It's about punishment, not determent.
8. Health Care - Mostly Private, poor get funding...It's what we have now in the form of free hospitals.
9. Education - Universal public, opt out for private...Also what we have now.
10. Taxes - Just right...can't lower them now, deficit is too high (Raising is not an option for me).
11. Spending - Too High...No doubt about this one.
12. Welfare - No...creates dependency among the people that use it.
13. Gun Control - Light...People commit the crimes, not Guns. 2nd Amendment.
14. Nukes - First world...but I'd say only responsible countries.
15. Democracy - Let things change on their own...However, not always possible.
16. Global Community - Do what's best for us.
17. Military - Just Right...We can't afford to cut military in the middle of 2 wars.

Edit: Spelling


so why are you a bushevik?
 
Originally posted by: dannybin1742
1. Gay Marriage - No...Civil Unions yes.
2. Abortion - Yes, with restrictions...No abortions after a certain time period, say a month, from conception.
3. Marijuana - Legalize...It's about time it's legalized, it's no worst than alcohol.
4. Stem Cell Research - Private Funded...The govt can't afford to fund it right now.
5. Laws - Status Quo
6. Affirmative Action - NO...not under any circumstances.
7. Death Penalty - Yes...It's about punishment, not determent.
8. Health Care - Mostly Private, poor get funding...It's what we have now in the form of free hospitals.
9. Education - Universal public, opt out for private...Also what we have now.
10. Taxes - Just right...can't lower them now, deficit is too high (Raising is not an option for me).
11. Spending - Too High...No doubt about this one.
12. Welfare - No...creates dependency among the people that use it.
13. Gun Control - Light...People commit the crimes, not Guns. 2nd Amendment.
14. Nukes - First world...but I'd say only responsible countries.
15. Democracy - Let things change on their own...However, not always possible.
16. Global Community - Do what's best for us.
17. Military - Just Right...We can't afford to cut military in the middle of 2 wars.

Edit: Spelling


so why are you a bushevik?

Because he's better than the democrats.
 
1) Gay Marriage?
Doesn't hurt me (or anyone else for that matter) at all, if they want it, let 'em have it.

2) Abortion?
Yes, Retrictions. Low cost

3) Marijuana?
Decriminalize. Legalization takes away half the fun. 😛

4) Stem Cell Research?
Funding of any nature

5) Laws?
depends on the catagory, but in general a lightening

6) Affirmative Action?
yes, but in a completely different way than currently percieved.

7) Death Penalty?
i'm opposed more than in favor.

8) Healthcare?
Universal, free. Governments should set the health standard which its citizens should have. A privelidge for richer citizens only pushes the gap between rich and poor further away.

9) Education?
universal compulsary public, free college tuition, housing subsidized for the poor. Education is the only way to really level the gap.

10) Taxes?
Over all fine, but tax structure needs work. abolish property tax; 100% estate tax over, say, $5 million or so, no sales tax, (exceptions for tabacco and othersuch things)

11) Spending?
Too high.

12) Welfare?
Yes.

13) Gun Control?
Light. waiting periods and such.

14) Nukes?
Ideally nobody, but good luck with that. :thumbsup: I see no harm in all but the most unreasonable countries having nukes. Its a defensive weapon, not offensive.

15) Democracy?
Let things change on their own, sanction, anything but war. Except that sanctions suck.

16) Global Community?
Work with other countries. The US is nothing specail imo.

17) Military?
Should be smaller (less international role). All having a large miltary seems to do for us is make messes (iraq anyone?) If we actually need to go to a REAL war, say with iran or pakistan, we can build an larger army if we have to. Having a large army on hand just screams "use me". Navy/airforce should be priority.
 
1. Gay Marriage?
I don't care, as long doesn't hurt me and try to influence someone like telling a kid "hey,gay way is better" is an example.. is up to the person if
want to be gay and get married.

2.Abortion?
Yes, Retrictions

3.Marijuana?
Decriminalize. if this person want to smoke 20 joint it is his choice not the goverment or the people he/she can't smoke it or drink etc..
but if you get someone hurt then you suffer the consequence(jail,etc..)

4.Stem Cell Research
State Funded

5.Should be Softer
however I'm in favor in some laws.
6.Affirmative Action?
no
7. Death Penalty?
hmm, I say yes and no, depending on the crime if this person kills out of fun then he should be burn in the electric chair.
8. Healthcare?
Universal, free, rich can pay elsewhere

9.Education ?
Universal Public, can opt out for private

10. Taxes?
Just right

11.Spending?
Too high

12.Welfare?
yes, with some restriction people are becoming too depend it on it and theres some the abuses it too.

13.Gun Control?
Light

14.Nukes?
Nobody
this thing shouldn't even exist, we all know if one get release say bye to your life.

5.Democracy?
mind your own business...if they don't want democracy then leave them alone maybe in near future they will ask for help..

16.Global Community?
Take over the world!!!!! Just Kidding!
Work with other countries real answer

17.Military?
Should be smaller (less international role)

18. can you take on mike tyson?
yes lol I made the one up. sorry just trying be funny I know I'm corney 🙁




 
1) Yes. Marriage is a civil union with unfair legal "specialness" about it. Fix that.
2) Yep, you pay. Why make it free, given current healthcare system?
3) Decriminalize. It's a big leap to make it completely legal from being illegal - I'd rather take a smaller step down and review it again later.
4) Both (not a poll option). We can't weigh the pros against the cons without knowing anything about them.
5) Status Quo. Certain ones need to be weakened, vice versa. I am neutral.
6) Passive. Affirmative action accounts for racism in America, but also propogates it.
7) Passive. Prison punishment doesn't work, neither does DP. It does save us money, however.
8) Universal, free, with choice to go elsewhere. A longer-lived population is a happier population.
9) Universal, Public, can opt out for private. So long as your choice to go to a different school does not jeapordize everyone else, have at it. All of these choices are bad if you consider a case of a student that doesn't want to learn.
10) Not high enough. War is expensive.
11) Too high. See above.
12) Passive. Like education, depends on the people you're giving it to.
13) Light gun control. I view it like copy protection on CD-Rs; you're really only hurting the average Joe.
14) Nukes for everyone who can get them. Brought by elimination of other choices. Democracies in civil war can be more volatile than dictatorships. No thank you.
First world countries? That didn't work. India and Pakistan have nukes, and I wouldn't call them first world. *buzz*
Only for US? No, two reasons. A: Makes us a target. B: What's so special about us?
Nobody? All it takes is one country to make that go south. Then everyone will mysteriously get their hands on plenty of them within a day. Area 51 doesn't exist, right?
15) Let things change on their own. Covert ops support of democracy movements. But be aware, an enemy of our enemy is not always our friend in the future.
16) Work with other countries. We're all in this together.
17) Just right. Though I would like to see our boys home from Iraq. 🙁
 
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