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Political Observation . . .

CaptnKirk

Lifer
I have noticed that on this board - as well as on other boards, there appears to be a
group of select individuals that appear each morning with the 'Talking Points' of the Day
to blast anything that Kerry, Dean, Clinton, Edwards, Etc, have to say, and to attack any
and all emerging positions of the Democratic Party.

The effort looks to be co-ordinated, and orchestrated by the GOP, as they have the
subject matter that will coincide with what Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, Laura, and
Joe Scarbourogh have to say, and sometimes even lead what is released by FOX.

Just makes me wonder if there is, in fact, a paid or maybe a 'Volunteer' group of
Conservative Activists who's entiree role is to place negative attacks on each and
every person in the opposing parties with the intent of manipulating the knowledge
of facts and data as presented to the general population.

Seems that this would be a major violation of ethics and campaign policy, but as we have
learned to know and love - the GOP doesn't need to play fair, they bend the rules to cheat.

Makes me wonder when I see post counts of 'New' or recent members really climb fast,
and when I observe that 'New' member discussing things that occurred several months in
the past, and making 'Quotes' and references to that information that they should not have
known about - unless they are paid operatives, or banned past member sneeking back in.

Open Discussion - make your points, compare notes.
Rat out the Commie Pinkos.
 
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
I have noticed that on this board - as well as on other boards, there appears to be a
group of select individuals that appear each morning with the 'Talking Points' of the Day
to blast anything that Kerry, Dean, Clinton, Edwards, Etc, have to say, and to attack any
and all emerging positions of the Democratic Party.

The effort looks to be co-ordinated, and orchestrated by the GOP, as they have the
subject matter that will coincide with what Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, Laura, and
Joe Scarbourogh have to say, and sometimes even lead what is released by FOX.

Just makes me wonder if there is, in fact, a paid or maybe a 'Volunteer' group of
Conservative Activists who's entiree role is to place negative attacks on each and
every person in the opposing parties with the intent of manipulating the knowledge
of facts and data as presented to the general population.

Seems that this would be a major violation of ethics and campaign policy, but as we have
learned to know and love - the GOP doesn't need to play fair, they bend the rules to cheat.

Makes me wonder when I see post counts of 'New' or recent members really climb fast,
and when I observe that 'New' member discussing things that occurred several months in
the past, and making 'Quotes' and references to that information that they should not have
known about - unless they are paid operatives, or banned past member sneeking back in.

Open Discussion - make your points, compare notes.
Rat out the Commie Pinkos.



Actually I think Both Parties do it, The Democrats are just not even remotely as good as the republicans is assembling talking points and the like.
 
why is that a violation of ethics? its just free speech dude. and of course this goes on, the right wing has been doing it longer and has 2 cable networks and hundreds of radio stations to back it up. but as far as people posting on a message board, anyone can post a load of BS on a message board. just take a look at all the muslim terrorist webboards (well probably not a good idea as then you will get a visit courtesy of the patriot act).
 
I think its more of a product of individuals listening to Rush, Hannity, Savage, and others, and then just spouting off the daily rant here. The base for conservative talk radio is huge. People love to listen to it, especially at work. These are the same people who claim that productivity is way up. It would skyrocket if they turned off their stupid radios.

I personally regurgitate alot of the partisan stuff I say here from blogs like the Daily Kos. But usually when I get my news, it comes from the mainstream media (that part that employs liberals who do honestly try to remain objective). Then I form an opinion from the facts I've gathered.
 
Sure, it could be the case from either or both sides, but who knows? I don't think it's really necessary though, there will always be those who feel strongly enogh about a position to parrot their preferred leader's opinions or defend their leader to the death even if it makes no logical sense.

On the flipside, there could even be those who purposely take their Oppositions position as their own and turn it into a caricature in order to make that position look stupid or radically insane. It wouldn't take much to do this and who'd ever know?

Perhaps those who erroneously charge that P&N is dominated by "Liberals" are correct? The Liberals could be Liberals, the Centrists could be Liberals, the Conservatives could be Liberals, the Far Left could be Liberals, the Far Right could be Liberals, and the totally out there could be Liberals! Rush, Bush, Pat Robertson could all be Liberals! Hell, there might not even be such a thing as a Conservative, you guys could all be figments of my imagination, I could be the figment of an Energy Beings imagination. Who knows?

😉 😀

"To thine ownself be true" someone once said, as long as you or I know that we present ourselves honestly that's all that matters. Let Fate, Providence, or Other deal with those that might be Deceptions. Until then, I take peoples posts at face value trusting that they truly have the gonads to state what they think and to suffer the consequences of those thoughts, if need be.
 
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: NightCrawler
Originally posted by: bozack

Organized right wing conspiracy? I don't know what you're talking about.
 
Heh, well Capn, if that is the case, then they are doing a pretty crappy job of it, compared to say conj...err, some of the uber-anti-bush posters.
 
Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: NightCrawler
Originally posted by: alchemize
Heh, well Capn, if that is the case, then they are doing a pretty crappy job of it, compared to say conj...err, some of the uber-anti-bush posters.
We, err, I agree . . . completely.
 
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
I have noticed that on this board - as well as on other boards, there appears to be a
group of select individuals that appear each morning with the 'Talking Points' of the Day
to blast anything that Kerry, Dean, Clinton, Edwards, Etc, have to say, and to attack any
and all emerging positions of the Democratic Party.
So, if you were to guess, who do you think are GOP operatives here at P&N? I know I have my picks. 😀
 
Originally posted by: alchemize
Heh, well Capn, if that is the case, then they are doing a pretty crappy job of it, compared to say conj...err, some of the uber-anti-bush posters.

Well perhaps these operatives are just volunteers, but still a coordinated effort. They may not neccessarily be masters of debate.

Personally I think the Cap'n should adjust his tinfoil hat.

Zephyr
 
Originally posted by: alchemize
We, err, I agree . . . completely.
Perky you are having some quoting issues 🙂
Well, al, the good Captn did broach the idea of an organized right wing conspiracy, so I thought, gosh, wouldn't it be a hoot to carefully construct pretend posts that make it look like everyone on the right from CAD to bozack was somehow simultaneously posting the exact same re . . . oh, nevermind!
 
Interesting POV there, Captn... particularly this part-

"The effort looks to be co-ordinated, and orchestrated by the GOP, as they have the
subject matter that will coincide with what Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, Laura, and
Joe Scarbourogh have to say, and sometimes even lead what is released by FOX."

The utter lack of diversity in Rightwing views indicates that few actually do much thinking, most do a lot of repeating...
Not that I'm big on conspiracy theory, but google up <Grover Norquist Weekly Meeting> for some further insight...

The real strength of the Right is not in their numbers, which are smaller than they let on, but in their discipline, organization
and willingness to frame issues in ways not necessarily consistent with the truth, or the actual welfare of the majority of Americans.
Far right views are easy to sell via sloganization, being pretty much pre-enlightenment type thinking, with careful attention to cultural
and emotional hot-button responses...

Liberals, otoh, are a whole lot less disciplined, it's the nature of the beast. Diversity of opinion is evidence of actual thinking, evaluating,
considering, weighing... and of putting one's self in the other guy's shoes, so to speak, and of being skeptical of authority figures in general.

Not a whole lot of that going on in some circles, unfortunately...
 
Its Funny , Tonight on Savage ( listen for Laughs) he actually told his Audiance "Ill Decide, You Listen" in reguards to the news mocking Fox news motto. He Said he understands how busy people's lives are and he will read up on everything and do the thinking and decision making for all his listeners.


what a loon
 
Originally posted by: smashp
Its Funny , Tonight on Savage ( listen for Laughs) he actually told his Audiance "Ill Decide, You Listen" in reguards to the news mocking Fox news motto. He Said he understands how busy people's lives are and he will read up on everything and do the thinking and decision making for all his listeners.


what a loon

sounds more like he was mocking the left [at least from what you posted]
 
Originally posted by: Genesys
Originally posted by: smashp
Its Funny , Tonight on Savage ( listen for Laughs) he actually told his Audiance "Ill Decide, You Listen" in reguards to the news mocking Fox news motto. He Said he understands how busy people's lives are and he will read up on everything and do the thinking and decision making for all his listeners.


what a loon

sounds more like he was mocking the left [at least from what you posted]

yup the intellectual Left hates independent thinking and loves to listen daily to multiple radio shows to figure out what their reation is going to be a particular news item. :roll:


oh and he was mocking Fox news, and said they were biased to the right and they should stop hiding it.
 
Originally posted by: Genesys
Originally posted by: smashp
Its Funny , Tonight on Savage ( listen for Laughs) he actually told his Audiance "Ill Decide, You Listen" in reguards to the news mocking Fox news motto. He Said he understands how busy people's lives are and he will read up on everything and do the thinking and decision making for all his listeners.


what a loon

sounds more like he was mocking the left [at least from what you posted]

No, it sounds like he's specifically mocking Fox News.
 
Its amazing that the libs who outnumber us here like 10 to 1 are claiming WE are orchestrating posts in these forums. The rhetoric coming from the left fills MUCH more of this forum than from the right.. yet, we are labeled as GOP operatives.. (Puts on tin foil hat).

And the reason nobody on the left is listening to the radio during the day is because nobody wants to listen to a liberal talk show... its tough to get talking points from something which don't exist.
 
Originally posted by: alchemize
DealMonkey: Name names!!
Well, I'm not sure I want to blow all of their covers quite yet, but here's a little taste: How many "bash Edwards" threads have been posted in the last 24-hours? And who started them?

🙂
 
Originally posted by: Crimson
Its amazing that the libs who outnumber us here like 10 to 1 are claiming WE are orchestrating posts in these forums. The rhetoric coming from the left fills MUCH more of this forum than from the right.. yet, we are labeled as GOP operatives..

Exactly.

CkG
 
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Crimson
Its amazing that the libs who outnumber us here like 10 to 1 are claiming WE are orchestrating posts in these forums. The rhetoric coming from the left fills MUCH more of this forum than from the right.. yet, we are labeled as GOP operatives..

Exactly.

CkG

I thought various polls suggested a 3-2 split here?
 
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Crimson
Its amazing that the libs who outnumber us here like 10 to 1 are claiming WE are orchestrating posts in these forums. The rhetoric coming from the left fills MUCH more of this forum than from the right.. yet, we are labeled as GOP operatives..

Exactly.

CkG

I thought various polls suggested a 3-2 split here?

maybe not 10-1 but definitely more than 3-2. But his point still stands regardless of you taking issue with the actual number we are outnumbered by.

CkG
 
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Interesting POV there, Captn... particularly this part-

"The effort looks to be co-ordinated, and orchestrated by the GOP, as they have the
subject matter that will coincide with what Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, Laura, and
Joe Scarbourogh have to say, and sometimes even lead what is released by FOX."

The utter lack of diversity in Rightwing views indicates that few actually do much thinking, most do a lot of repeating...
Not that I'm big on conspiracy theory, but google up <Grover Norquist Weekly Meeting> for some further insight...

The real strength of the Right is not in their numbers, which are smaller than they let on, but in their discipline, organization
and willingness to frame issues in ways not necessarily consistent with the truth, or the actual welfare of the majority of Americans.
Far right views are easy to sell via sloganization, being pretty much pre-enlightenment type thinking, with careful attention to cultural
and emotional hot-button responses...

Liberals, otoh, are a whole lot less disciplined, it's the nature of the beast. Diversity of opinion is evidence of actual thinking, evaluating,
considering, weighing... and of putting one's self in the other guy's shoes, so to speak, and of being skeptical of authority figures in general.

Not a whole lot of that going on in some circles, unfortunately...



Right, not so much co-ordinated and orchestrated as programmed by Rush and the gang. Too formulaic to be the product of original thought.
 
Originally posted by: daveshel
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Interesting POV there, Captn... particularly this part-

"The effort looks to be co-ordinated, and orchestrated by the GOP, as they have the
subject matter that will coincide with what Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, Laura, and
Joe Scarbourogh have to say, and sometimes even lead what is released by FOX."

The utter lack of diversity in Rightwing views indicates that few actually do much thinking, most do a lot of repeating...
Not that I'm big on conspiracy theory, but google up <Grover Norquist Weekly Meeting> for some further insight...

The real strength of the Right is not in their numbers, which are smaller than they let on, but in their discipline, organization
and willingness to frame issues in ways not necessarily consistent with the truth, or the actual welfare of the majority of Americans.
Far right views are easy to sell via sloganization, being pretty much pre-enlightenment type thinking, with careful attention to cultural
and emotional hot-button responses...

Liberals, otoh, are a whole lot less disciplined, it's the nature of the beast. Diversity of opinion is evidence of actual thinking, evaluating,
considering, weighing... and of putting one's self in the other guy's shoes, so to speak, and of being skeptical of authority figures in general.

Not a whole lot of that going on in some circles, unfortunately...



Right, not so much co-ordinated and orchestrated as programmed by Rush and the gang. Too formulaic to be the product of original thought.

You guys just can't get over that people are conservative by choice can you? The only explanation that makes sense to you is brainwashing..
 
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