Political Correctness vs National Security

[UltraQuiet]

Well, I have never accused you of accepting facts on face value, and I will not start here. Just remember that she has nobody in authority, on either side of the political spectrum, calling her a liar. Because she isn't lying

But the FBI, INS, etc have never been able to put anything on them. Oh, that's right it's a conspiracy.

 

[shiner]

but since what she has to say does not agree with "your" version of reality, you think she takes things too far.

It doesn't have anything to do with my version of reality. She has an extreme view. There are conservative extremists and there are liberal extremists. If you can't see that then you need help.

Besides, I can't take anything you say seriously since you always refuse to answer any direct question asked of you. I'm still awaiting your explanation of how you claimed to have lived near the Pentagon yet you are in reality a weatherman, and probably a poor one, in Idaho. Tomorrow morning I'm going to contact some friends at KJRH here in Tulsa and find out if you ever actually worked here. Who knows what in the hell you've lied about. Oh, maybe I'm being too harsh on you about the whole "I live near the Pentagon" thing since it was later discovered that you lifted that entire rant from someone else. Hmmm.....a conspiracy theorist that is a liar and a plagiarist. I'm shocked.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: DaveSohmer

Well, I have never accused you of accepting facts on face value, and I will not start here. Just remember that she has nobody in authority, on either side of the political spectrum, calling her a liar. Because she isn't lying

But the FBI, INS, etc have never been able to put anything on them. Oh, that's right it's a conspiracy.

Dave, that's a pretty weak point considering none of those agnecies were able to pin anythng on Moussaoui until after 9/11 either.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Dave, that's a pretty weak point considering none of those agnecies were able to pin anythng on Moussaoui until after 9/11 either

If you run the names through google you can see where these guys were investigated since 9/11 and nothing has been found. That's not quite true, nothing substantiated. That's not the point anyway. The point is that we should not just start throwing people out of the country because we don't share their views. The guy at USF was railroaded by one of the most foul-talking, illiterate, shock radio, Howard Stern wannabes that I have ever heard. He outright lied on the radio. I am all for tough law enforcement, tough immigration standards, fixing the INS so we can keep track of people who are not citizens, etc ,etc. What I am not in favor of is some blanket "lets get rid of them" ( "them" being those who are not "us") policy that is so indiscriminate in its action that it makes us no better than those goverments we so despise. I think it is possible to become secure without giving up our freedoms but lets do it methodicaly not reactionary, that way we'll be sure.

 

[shiner]

The guy at USF was railroaded by one of the most foul-talking,

That guy needed to be gone. He had raised $ for several terrorist organizations.

 

[UltraQuiet]

That guy needed to be gone. He had raised $ for several terrorist organizations.

Where's the proof of that. If that is common knowledge why isn't he under arrest and being deported?

 

[shiner]

Where's the proof of that. If that is common knowledge why isn't he under arrest and being deported?

Don't have any links but I've seen it spoken about on several news shows. Why he hasn't been deported I don't know. One of the shows I saw the story on, MSNBC I think, even had an interview with the guy and he admitted to having raised funds for various organizations that were tied directly to Al Queda. Of course he used the "but I didn't know" excuse.

 

[UltraQuiet]

OK but tell me what you think about this Terrorist?.

 

[HiveMaster]

Besides, I can't take anything you say seriously since you always refuse to answer any direct question asked of you. I'm still awaiting your explanation of how you claimed to have lived near the Pentagon yet you are in reality a weatherman, and probably a poor one, in Idaho. Tomorrow morning I'm going to contact some friends at KJRH here in Tulsa and find out if you ever actually worked here. Who knows what in the hell you've lied about. Oh, maybe I'm being too harsh on you about the whole "I live near the Pentagon" thing since it was later discovered that you lifted that entire rant from someone else. Hmmm.....a conspiracy theorist that is a liar and a plagiarist. I'm shocked.

Uh...when did I ever say I lived near the Pentagon?
I have never lived in Idaho. Never even driven thru it.

If I "lifted" the rant from someone else and did not give proper attribution, my apologies. Unlike a lot of people here, I make every effort to either place in quotes or provide a link for everything I copy and paste.
If you would stop smoking crack and throwing accusations long enough to think, you would stop posting such sh!t.

You want to ask questions that make sense, I will answer them. I will continue to ignore "questions" that are really nothing more than attempts at character assasination, for I will not get down in the mud with you.


Hehe. How is THIS for political correctness?

... Ill-Read Bush Asks The President of Brazil If There Are Blacks In Brazil

from Der Spiegel, May 19, 2002-- Gibt es Schwarze in Brasilien?

US-Präsident George W. Bush wird nachgesagt, vor dem 11. September habe er die Taliban für eine bayerische Blaskapelle gehalten. Nun hat sich der Präsident der mächtigsten Nation der Welt dank seiner umfassenden Bildung wieder einmal kräftig in die Nesseln gesetzt.

Washington - Es war Condoleezza Rice, Nationale Sicherheitsberaterin der USA, die ihrem Chef aus der peinlichen Lage half. Bei einem Gespräch der beiden Präsidenten George W. Bush, 55, (USA) und Fernando Henrique Cardoso, 71, (Brasilien) hatte Bush seinen Amtskollegen mit der Frage verblüfft: "Do you have blacks, too?" ("Haben Sie auch Schwarze?")

Rice, 47, die bemerkte, wie erstaunt der Brasilianer ob der Frage war, rettete die Situation, indem sie Bush aufklärte: "Mr. President, Brasilien hat wahrscheinlich mehr Schwarze als die USA, man sagt, es ist das Land mit den meisten Schwarzen außerhalb Afrikas." Brasiliens Präsident Cardoso urteilte hinterher: Was Lateinamerika betreffe, befinde sich Bush "noch in der Lehrzeit".

Note: The above story was put in the Google/Politex translation blender and came out...

"Washington - It was Condoleezza Rice, White House foreign affairs advisor to Bush, who helped her boss get out of an embarrassing situation. In a discussion between presidents George W. Bush, 55, (USA) and Fernando Henrique Cardoso, 71, (Brazil), Bush had astonished his colleague with the question: 'Do you have blacks, too?' While the Brazilian showed surprise over the Bush question, Rice, 47, cleared Bush up: "Mr. President, Brazil has probably more blacks than the USA. Some say it is the country with the most blacks outside of Africa." Brazil president Cardoso judged afterwards: With reference to Latin America, Bush is 'still in training.'"

That was from My favorite Bush site, before anyone else accuses me of plagarism.

 

[shiner]

Uh...when did I ever say I lived near the Pentagon?

In the rant you posted about how there was never a plane that hit the Pentagon. Go back and read the thread, unless of course you have modified your posts there as well. Of course later is was discovered that you had plagiarized the rant but you DID try to pass it off as your own and portray that you live near the Pentagon.

I make every effort to either place in quotes or provide a link for everything I copy and paste.

Another lie. You have been caught numerous times plagiarizing other people's work.

I have never lived in Idaho. Never even driven thru it.

Funny how you removed your profile that included a link to the television station's website at which you work in Ohio. Furthermore it was also proven that your IP address is originating in Ohio. Hmmmm....clever of you to remove the profile link but how are you going to explain the IP address?

You want to ask questions that make sense, I will answer them. I will continue to ignore "questions" that are really nothing more than attempts at character assasination, for I will not get down in the mud with you.

Throughout various threads both myself and other members have asked you many, MANY questions that you have chosen to ignore. We have asked you for proof of different things, you never reply. We have asked you where your information comes from, you never reply. The list is long, go back and read the threads you have posted in and you will see them all. Just like you did the first time when you chose to ignore them. I'm a character assassin? Who's the one accusing whom of smoking crack?

 

[HiveMaster]

Funny how you removed your profile that included a link to the television station's website at which you work in Ohio. Furthermore it was also proven that your IP address is originating in Ohio. Hmmmm....clever of you to remove the profile link but how are you going to explain the IP address?

I have never had my profile listed. You are still smoking crack. I have never had an IP addy from Ohio. The crack has rotted your brain. I have been around here a couple of years. Since you and your conservative brethren are in bed with the moderators here, it would be very simple for them to tell you what IP addy I use.

The reason for me to NOT have anything listed where you can see it is to avoid attacks similar to the ones that got Texmaster removed. Yeah, my opinion of you and yours is that low.

Like I said, if I did not give proper attribution, my apology. That is wrong and should not be done. But as you stand there, pointing a shaking finger and getting red in the face, please remember your accusations when you are proven wrong:

I have never: used an IP out of Ohio, never claimed to be a weatherman or anything else in Oklahoma, and never claimed to live near the Pentagon.

 

[shiner]

This right here is reason enough to boot him out of the country.

He has acknowledged that ICP helped raise funds -- $20,000 or $30,000 a year -- for Palestinian charity organizations, and suggested in a letter to a friend that anyone looking to help Palestinians should send money to Hamas, the radical Islamic resistance group. Hamas, whose members have staged numerous terrorist attacks against Israel, has a political wing that distributes money to Palestinian widows and orphans of men killed in the conflict with Israel.

Here is a link to a story about his terrorist ties.

I'm actually on your side Dave and don't believe that just any Muslim or Arab should be thrown out of the country. There are however those that need to be deported.

 

[shiner]

I have never had my profile listed. You are still smoking crack. I have never had an IP addy from Ohio. The crack has rotted your brain. I have been around here a couple of years. Since you and your conservative brethren are in bed with the moderators here, it would be very simple for them to tell you what IP addy I use.

I had you confused with someone else(wxman to be exact) and that has just been brought to my attention. I apologize for the confusion. That being said you still never bother to answer direct questions asked of you. Again I apologize for my confusion but I still hold you in low esteem because of your lack of answers to questions asked of you. Now, lay off all the crack addict stuff. It doesn't reflect well on your intelligence when all you can do is lob names at someone.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Here is a link to a story about his terrorist ties.

Daniel Pipes and Steve Emerson are about as anti-Arab as two people could be. The claims they are making are unsubstantiated and were made so before a judge ( who was ex-military). Don't get me wrong, I'm not a supporter of terrorists or anything of the sort. What I am a supporter of is the Constitution (by oath) and the due process it guarantees. This guy may be guilty but so far the only place is has been tried and convicted is in the circus we call news media. That is completely unacceptable to me.

 

[Red Dawn]

Yeah, my opinion of you and yours is that low.

Obviously an opinion not held in high regard by many here, whether they be Liberal, Moderate or Conservative. As for your BS accusatory statement that you fear these guys pulling a Texmaster, I'm far from a conservative and I debated them many times in the past I had never feared any of them signing me up or doing something to me as chikensh!t as what Tex did. On the contrary, I have come to respect these members much more than the average bandwidth wasting Nef that inhabits this forum in ever increasingly numbers lately

Look, these guys can deal with opposing opinions as long as it is some what factual. Maybe I'm not a Liberal but before I started in this forum I sure was. Opposing opinions based on facts has led me to reconsider my stance on many topics and that's due to members like Tominator, Etech and others whom you hold in such low regard. I seriously doubt any of your arguments are going to convince anybody to change their stance, unless they thought you were a rational individual prior to this and other posts of your as of late.

 

[shiner]

This guy may be guilty but so far the only place is has been tried and convicted is in the circus we call news media. That is completely unacceptable to me.

And it should be to all of us. I'm not a fan of how his situation was handled but I do still think he is a wolf in sheeps clothing. I suppose we can just agree to disagee on that point.

 

[shiner]

have come to respect these members much more than the average bandwidth wasting Nef that inhabits this forum in ever increasingly numbers lately

Don't tell me I'm included in that respect list Red. I won't know how to react.

 

[JellyBaby]

Maybe I'm not a Liberal but before I started in this forum I sure was.

And if we can save Red Dawn we can save you, too.

Actually Red still comes off very socially liberal which is cool. It's the other "die for the democrats, tax my mommie to the grave, tree huggin', minority-promoting, touchy/feely two-faced" type liberals that should be on everyone's fecal remnant list.

 

[SuperTool]

What's wrong with political correctness again?

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: HiveMaster

Note the word EXTREMIST in all those questions. Christian extremists committed a lot of attrocities. Atheist extremists did too. Both black and white extremists. Asian extremists did too. Let's deport all humans off this planet!

Atheist extremists??? Well, most atheists only disbelieve in god a little. I disbelieve in god a lot! Better blow up a building to prove my point! Please please give me links to prove that there have been "atheist extremist" acts of terrorism.

Please.

Human extremists. Among every group there are are extremists, but for the atheists they don't stick a religious label on it. Still they cause the same suffering. There are racists among every religion, and also among atheists. There are racist crimes among all of them too. And other crimes.

 

[Bluefront]

Too bad this topic degraded into name-calling. When the World Trade Center was first attacked, we knew who did it. We also knew there would be another attack on that same structure by the same people.....our recognized enemy. We did virtually nothing. So now we have five thousand or so dead people, murdered by a group of people we could have deported before their big crime.

This is where Political Correctness gets the blame, eroding our National Security, making our attempts to defend ourselves feeble at best, assuring there will be continued aggression against us here and abroad. Until we recognize Political Correctness as our #1 enemy, the people, the country of the United States, will continue to be an easy target for terror.

 

[HiveMaster]

I had you confused with someone else(wxman to be exact) and that has just been brought to my attention. I apologize for the confusion. That being said you still never bother to answer direct questions asked of you.

I accept your apology. Maybe you should look in the mirror when you allege that people do not know what they are talking about.

I answered about a half dozen questions that I thought pertinent to the subject. You then changed your tune to "you have answered SOME of the questions...etc."

Exactly how many questions am I supposed to answer? All of them, or only the ones that make sense?

Tell you what, I will let you decide. I have already answered the questions in another thread. Are there questions you want answered in this one?

 

[shiner]

I accept your apology. Maybe you should look in the mirror when you allege that people do not know what they are talking about.

You can't even take an apology like a man can you?

I answered about a half dozen questions that I thought pertinent to the subject. You then changed your tune to "you have answered SOME of the questions...etc."

To clarify the matter of questions you were asked but did not answer...I did not "change my tune" I only noticed that you had answered some of the questions and corrected my original statement. Again I will ask why you continue to avoid all the qustions and only answer the ones you feel are pertinent? If someone asks you a question you should at least have the decency to answer it.

Exactly how many questions am I supposed to answer? All of them, or only the ones that make sense?

If someone asks you a question you should attempt to answer it instead of posting another rant or attacking them on a personal level.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Yeah, my opinion of you and yours is that low.

Obviously an opinion not held in high regard by many here, whether they be Liberal, Moderate or Conservative. As for your BS accusatory statement that you fear these guys pulling a Texmaster, I'm far from a conservative and I debated them many times in the past I had never feared any of them signing me up or doing something to me as chikensh!t as what Tex did. On the contrary, I have come to respect these members much more than the average bandwidth wasting Nef that inhabits this forum in ever increasingly numbers lately

Look, these guys can deal with opposing opinions as long as it is some what factual. Maybe I'm not a Liberal but before I started in this forum I sure was. Opposing opinions based on facts has led me to reconsider my stance on many topics and that's due to members like Tominator, Etech and others whom you hold in such low regard. I seriously doubt any of your arguments are going to convince anybody to change their stance, unless they thought you were a rational individual prior to this and other posts of your as of late.

:Q