Political Correctness vs National Security

[Bluefront]

Every day Americans suffer new threats. Blown up power plants, contaminated water supplies, Anthrax in US Mail...it goes on and on. We know who pulled off the big one. They're dead but their comrads, friends, are still here. We let them in. We know who they are. They are not citizens, so they don't enjoy all the rights of a US citizen. Which means we can deport them, thereby reducing their threat to National Security.

The reason we have not done this can only be blamed on Political Correctness. I can see no other reason. If you have an enemy whom you can identify in your country and you are at war, you remove that enemy. To me Political Correctness is distroying our National Security.

 

[tontod]

Huh? So you recommend that everyone who is not a citizen be deported? You're real smart buddy.

 

[Wallydraigle]

Huh? So you recommend that everyone who is not a citizen be deported? You're real smart buddy.

Hmm, I didn't read where he said that.

 

[etalns]

Ahh, yes.

Please refresh my memory, who was responsible for the oklahoma bombings?

Has every murder in the US been commited by an Arab?

Who was responsible for drowning her own kids?

That's the most pregidous pile of crap I've ever heard, I salute you on being the biggest prick in the world.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Qosis
Ahh, yes.

Please refresh my memory, who was responsible for the oklahoma bombings?

Has every murder in the US been commited by an Arab?

Who was responsible for drowning her own kids?

That's the most pregidous pile of crap I've ever heard, I salute you on being the biggest prick in the world.

So because we can't reduce all threats, we shouldn't reduce any?

And personal attacks do nothing to prove your point.

 

[UltraQuiet]

It is not a matter of political correctness and national security is it a matter of maintaining our current levels of freedoms vs. nat'l security, overly intrusive laws vs. nat'l security, posse comatatus vs. nat'l security, etc, etc, etc. It is going to be a fine balance between maintaining our freedom and ensuring we have enough security to enjoy those freedoms for the forseeable future. Every time someone makes a proposition to strengthen security someone else is going to say "yeah but". It is and is going to be a tremendously hard job but it is about maintaining the foundations of freedom this country was founded upon, not political correctness. JMO

 

[Ornery]

Just happened to get this by email the other day:

• Racial profiling
  
  To ensure we Americans never offend anyone -- particularly fanatics intent on killing us, U.S. Airport Screeners will not be allowed to "profile" certain people. They will continue random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, Secret Service agents who are members of the President's security detail, 85-year old Congressmen with metal hips, and Medal of Honor winning former Governors. (and certain EHS Coordinators whom you all know. . . . they get me every time!!)
  
  But, let's pause a moment and take the following test...
  
  In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred
  by:
  
  (a) Olga Corbutt
  (b) Sitting Bull
  (c) Arnold Schwartzeneger
  (d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
  
  
  In 1979,the U.S. embassy in Iran was taken over by:
  
  (a) Lost Norwegians
  (b) Elvis
  (c) A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
  (d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
  
  
  During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:
  
  (a) John Dillinger
  (b) The King of Sweden
  (c) The Boy Scouts
  (d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
  
  
  In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
  
  (a) A pizza delivery boy
  (b) Pee Wee Herman
  (c) Geraldo Rivera making up for a slow news day
  (d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.
  
  
  In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked, and a 70 year old
  American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard by:
  
  (a) The Smurfs
  (b) Davy Jones
  (c) The Little Mermaid
  (d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.
  
  
  In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a U.S. Navy diver
  was murdered by:
  
  (a) Captain Kid
  (b) Charles Lindberg
  (c) Mother Teresa
  (d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
  
  
  In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
  
  (a) Scooby Doo
  (b) The Tooth Fairy
  (c) Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid.
  (d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
  
  
  In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
  
  (a) Richard Simmons
  (b) Grandma Moses
  (c) Michael Jordan
  (d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
  
  
  In 1998, the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
  
  (a) Mr. Rogers
  (b) Hillary, to distract attention from Wild Bill's women problems
  (c) The World Wrestling Federation to promote to promote Summer Slam
  (d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
  
  
  On 9-11-2001, four airliners were hijacked, smashed into the World
  Trade
  Center and the Pentagon, and thousands of people were killed by:
  
  (a) Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck, and Elmer Fudd
  (b) The Supreme Court of Florida
  (c) Mr. Bean
  (d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
  
  
  In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:
  
  (a) Enron
  (b) The Lutheran Church
  (c) The NFL
  (d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
  
  
  In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
  
  (a) Bonny and Clyde
  (b) Captain Kangaroo
  (c) Billy Graham
  (d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
  
  
  Hmmm... Nope, no patterns anywhere to justify profiling.

Here's a quote from a recent topic:

• Originally posted by: Ornery
  "Does anyone here know how a suicide bomber would dress, would act..."
  - HiveMaster, 05/22/2002 11:05 AM
  
  OH Lord, I can already hear the PC police on the left side of the isle, bitching about profiling and stereotyping etc.! We'll leave these "descriptions of terrorists" to Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton to fill us in on, thank you! :frown:

  
  "I don?t give a crap about what the people on the left would say. If we profile certain persons, and it saves lives, so be it. I will be the first one to say, if you are innocent than you have nothing to fear from our police or armed forces, as long as those persons in power do not subvert our constitution in the process. A policeman has every right to stop me on the street and ask me what I am doing. I have every right to refuse to tell him?but there is no reason for me to withhold anything. I draw the line on having a policeman throw me in a paddy wagon and detain me for 11 months with no charges filed against me, and every conversation between me and my lawyer taped?if I get a lawyer at all."
  - HiveMaster, 05/22/2002 4:04 PM

 

[Bluefront]

I guess we can just sit back and let this identified dangerous enemy in our midst, pull off one act of terror after another. We can do so for the sake of "Political Correctness", saying they cannot or should not be singled out.

Or we can show some guts, some bravery. We are not protected from terror by an ocean any longer. Our enemy is here among us. They have been recognized. What remains to be done is obvious. Whether we have the backbone to do so remains to be seen. So far we have fought terror on foreign shores...it's time we fought terror on our own shores, for the sake of ourselves, our families, and the proud history of the USA.

 

[BDawg]

It is not a matter of political correctness and national security is it a matter of maintaining our current levels of freedoms vs. nat'l security,

Wow, Dave and I agree on something.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Wow, Dave and I agree on something

You aren't anywere NEAR as amazed to realize that as I was. Go Dave!

 

[UltraQuiet]

I'm sure it will be a short-lived phenomena.

 

[PrinceofWands]

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: Ornery
Just happened to get this by email the other day:

<CHOP CHOP>

Note the word EXTREMIST in all those questions. Christian extremists committed a lot of attrocities. Atheist extremists did too. Both black and white extremists. Asian extremists did too. Let's deport all humans off this planet!

You are the weakest link. Goodbye.

 

[PrinceofWands]

You are the weakest link. Goodbye.

HAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!

That caught me completely off guard, thanks for the early morning belly laugh.

 

[Siddhartha]

You want to deport all non citizen Muslims. I wonder how many people that would involve.

 

[Bluefront]

Fighting for National Security on our own land will not be easy. Last count showed almost 10k of these people in the USA on "student visas" who have not attended one day of school. I see no reason why they should remain here. If we're willing to fight and die in foreign lands for the sake of National Security, it would seem to go without saying that we fight for National Security here at home, difficult as it will be.

 

[tontod]

Sorry, I misread the post. Deporting all non citizen Muslims is a bad idea. Properly identifying those on a student visa who have violated their agreement and following up on them is a good idea. They should be deported depending on how they've violated their visa requirements.

 

[IGBT]

All the political correctness disease will end only after a sufficient civilian body count from the next terrorist event. It's possible the psychological trama from a credible terrorist threat ie.biological,nuclear or chemical attack may also end it. And the Liberal National Socialists, who brought about political correctness disease, are fully aware of this.

 

[PlatinumGold]

If your serious about tightening up national security, why not take further steps and reduce crime in the US altogether. Let's institute a National ID system. Let's put a retinal scan of every individual in a massive database. let's track the movements and the spending patterns of each and every person. let's require cameras in every building built.

oh wait, we're not ready for big brother yet you say.

here is where i must say, I agree with DaveSohmer. it is a question of HOW MUCH FREEDOM your willing to sacrifice for SECURITY.

 

[911paramedic]

I saw something on the news that put it all into perspective with few words. It was somebody talking about how the UN needs to get more into the same mode we (the US) are when it comes to fighting terrorism on a global scale. They said that the civilized nations need to band together.


IMHO people that commit acts of terrorism are in no way, shape, or form, civilized. The key word is civilized.

Even Rodney King said "Can't we all just get along?" (and he is a drug addict)

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: IGBT
All the political correctness disease will end only after a sufficient civilian body count from the next terrorist event. It's possible the psychological trama from a credible terrorist threat ie.biological,nuclear or chemical attack may also end it. And the Liberal National Socialists, who brought about political correctness disease, are fully aware of this.

Nope. It still wouldn't end. Their minds are just too twisted by their beliefs.

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: Bluefront
Every day Americans suffer new threats. Blown up power plants, contaminated water supplies, Anthrax in US Mail...it goes on and on. We know who pulled off the big one. They're dead but their comrads, friends, are still here. We let them in. We know who they are. They are not citizens, so they don't enjoy all the rights of a US citizen. Which means we can deport them, thereby reducing their threat to National Security.

The reason we have not done this can only be blamed on Political Correctness. I can see no other reason. If you have an enemy whom you can identify in your country and you are at war, you remove that enemy. To me Political Correctness is distroying our National Security.

You know what would be better? Concentration camps, yes concentration camps are the answer, we should take everyone that is not a US citizen and is here illegally, and put them into a camp, and use them for labor and experiments...yeah..

 

[Bluefront]

We don't need to turn the USA into an armed "Big Brother" camp in order to promote security, but we need to start somewhere. Right now the terrorists in our midst realize we're not serious about security. Searching an 80 year old white woman trying to board a plane, proves it. If we were serious, we know who to search....Political Correctness prevents us from doing so.

 

[PlatinumGold]

I agree something needs to be done about National Security, but overly simplistic statements like PC etc etc just isn't going to get the job done.

you say we're searching 80 yr old women, i say the people doing the searching aren't qualified. just saying do away with political correctness won't solve the real problem, that we lack qualified personnel to really do the job right.

 

[Tominator]

Ornery....wonderful!

The problem is that Law Enforcement has become so afraid to do anything because of court action, it does nothing! The written law becomes a joke. Then activists judges, the ACLU and the American Trial Lawyer Association subvert any new law. A never ending quagmire!

That and the fact that ANY Government hiree is likely to be an underqualified minorty, once again due to laws, and this hamstrings them more.

All that said they end up doing a pretty good job although at a huge cost to the taxpayer inspite of the obstacles.