Political correctness and birthrate

[Veliko]

Feminism isn't about equality it is about female power.

And how are those two things mutually exclusive?

 

[Texashiker]

You have to actual connect your opinions to reality... everything you said is just made up in your head.

It is a proven fact that the higher a womans education, the less children they have.

How is that made up in my head?


It is a proven fact that women are most likely to get the children in a divorce and the man will have to pay child support.

How is that made up in my head?


It is a proven fact that florida has an alimony for life law.

How is that made up in my head?


It is a proven fact that the number of women in college is outpacing men.

How is that made up in my head?


If a man knows he is going to have to pay a percentage of his income to a woman for the rest of her life, why get married? Forget that.

 

[mikeymikec]

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news...n-doesnt-raise-mental-illness-risk/51762674/1

Unfortunately facts disagree with your assessment.

Actually it doesn't, it suggests that a lot of emotional baggage is possible with either choice.

Crazy me thinking that a website called Feministing might you know represent the views of feminists.

So you read all (any?) those blogs? I thought not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism

Feminism is a collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights for women.[1][2] This includes seeking to establish equal opportunities for women in education and employment. A feminist advocates or supports the rights and equality of women.

It is a proven fact that the higher a womans education, the less children they have.

Except it isn't about women, it's about people in general.

How is that made up in my head?

The way you altered it came out of your head.

It is a proven fact that women are most likely to get the children in a divorce and the man will have to pay child support.

Relevance to OP?

It is a proven fact that florida has an alimony for life law.

Relevance to OP?

It is a proven fact that the number of women in college is outpacing men.

And because some men might feel inferior to a better-educated woman, so women should stop doing that?

If a man knows he is going to have to pay a percentage of his income to a woman for the rest of her life, why get married? Forget that.

Relevance to OP?

 

[nehalem256]

And how are those two things mutually exclusive?

In theory maybe not. In practice they sure are. Which is of course why liberals and feminists have no issue with forcing men to support the choices women make.

 

[Texashiker]

It is a proven fact that women are most likely to get the children in a divorce and the man will have to pay child support.

Relevance to OP?

The opening post is about birthrates.

As more women go to college the birthrate will go down.

It is a proven fact that florida has an alimony for life law.

Relevance to OP?

If men know there is a chance they will have to pay a woman for the rest of their lives, why get married?

Alimony for life laws are a financial deterrent to get married. During a recent florida debate on alimony for life laws womens rights groups helped get the law upheld.

And because some men might feel inferior to a better-educated woman, so women should stop doing that?

Relevance to OP?

As educated women outpace men, women may be pricing themselves out of the marriage market.

 

[nehalem256]

Actually it doesn't, it suggests that a lot of emotional baggage is possible with either choice.

And there is no more emotional baggage associated with getting an abortion. Seems pretty simple.

So you read all (any?) those blogs? I thought not.

What does that have to do with anything?

Do you think that Feministing is a reasonable

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism

Anyone can come up with a 2 sentence definition of their movement that will make "everyone" feel like they should support it.

Feminists do not care about establishing equal opportunity for women. Feminists want to ensure equal(or better) outcomes for women. See for example:

Norway has also set minimum quotas for women on corporate boards.

With more women on their boards, Norwegian companies behave differently. They are slower to fire workers. They post lower profits. But Norway’s quotas did not raise the numbers of female directors or executives much. Rather, a few highly qualified women were hired to serve on many boards.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/25/b...rican-women-is-it-enough-to-lean-in.html?_r=0

 

[mikeymikec]

The opening post is about birthrates.

As more women go to college the birthrate will go down.

Divorces are directly linked to birth rates?

Dude, read, seriously:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_rate

If men know there is a chance they will have to pay a woman for the rest of their lives, why get married?

Alimony for life laws are a financial deterrent to get married.

There's nothing you can provide that provides sufficient substance to that claim.

 

[Texashiker]

Norway has also set minimum quotas for women on corporate boards.

Any law that protects a certain group is in itself a form of discrimination.

 

[Veliko]

In theory maybe not. In practice they sure are. Which is of course why liberals and feminists have no issue with forcing men to support the choices women make.

Hold on, what?

You don't like feminism because... sorry, what?

Feminism is about getting social, economic, and political equality for women.

 

[nehalem256]

Any law that protects a certain group is in itself a form of discrimination.

Requiring X% of women on corporate boards goes far beyond "protecting" a certain group.

Equal opportunity my ass.

See also http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/ostp/women

Why are liberals so worried about women being underrepresented in STEM, but I challenge you to find any evidence of liberals being worried about men being underrepresented in college in general.

 

[mikeymikec]

And there is no more emotional baggage associated with getting an abortion. Seems pretty simple.

It sounds like you're agreeing with me, but I doubt you think so.

What does that have to do with anything?

Do you think that Feministing is a reasonable

Do I think all the blog entries for a multitude of feminists are all 'reasonable'? Are you high?

Pasting my previous response to your idiotic question:
All of them? Me too? Or you just find it simpler to pretend that people who identify themselves as feminist in some respect all happen to have identical beliefs? Does someone you disagree with have to be saintly before you'll acknowledge any validity in their opinion whatsoever?

Anyone can come up with a 2 sentence definition of their movement that will make "everyone" feel like they should support it.

Feminists do not care about establishing equal opportunity for women. Feminists want to ensure equal(or better) outcomes for women.

Perhaps you should apply to update the wikipedia article with your views, since apparently you have "inside info" on the cunning schemes they're planning?

 

[nehalem256]

Hold on, what?

You don't like feminism because... sorry, what?

Feminism is about getting social, economic, and political equality for women.

Feminism is about getting women 50%+ of all the good stuff but still leaving all the burdens on men.

 

[Veliko]

Feminism is about getting women 50%+ of all the good stuff but still leaving all the burdens on men.

Sorry, but that is just meaningless.

This is what wiki defines feminism as:

Feminism is a collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights for women.[1][2] This includes seeking to establish equal opportunities for women in education and employment. A feminist advocates or supports the rights and equality of women.

Where are you getting your definition from?

 

[nehalem256]

It sounds like you're agreeing with me, but I doubt you think so.

Do I think all the blog entries for a multitude of feminists are all 'reasonable'? Are you high?

Pasting my previous response to your idiotic question:
All of them? Me too? Or you just find it simpler to pretend that people who identify themselves as feminist in some respect all happen to have identical beliefs? Does someone you disagree with have to be saintly before you'll acknowledge any validity in their opinion whatsoever?

Saying that "not all feminists have identical views" is pointless.

Do all Teahadists have identical views? Of course not. But I doubt you will see liberals try to distinguish between them.

Perhaps you should apply to update the wikipedia article with your views, since apparently you have "inside info" on the cunning schemes they're planning?

They aren't planning them. They are implementing them.

See Norway requiring 40% of women on boards. Or in fact read the whole article. It is all about whining that how even with equal opportunity women do not get equal outcomes with men.

Or how about http://www.feminist.org/news/newsbyte/uswirestory.asp?id=13398

Where women's activists wanted to reserve 1/3 seats in the Indian parliament for women.

 

[Texashiker]

This includes seeking to establish equal opportunities for women in education and employment. A feminist advocates or supports the rights and equality of women.

Where are you getting your definition from?

When it comes to stuff like registering for the draft, or doing dangerous jobs, feminist are for some reason quiet on those issues.

Feminist want equal rights? Lets start by having them register for the draft when they turn 18 years old.

With equal rights comes equal responsibility.

 

[nehalem256]

Sorry, but that is just meaningless.

This is what wiki defines feminism as:



Where are you getting your definition from?

Reality. Do you think any mainstream ideology is going to come straight out and say they want to take as much power for their group and tough-shit to everyone else?

Feminism is a collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights for women.[1][2] This includes seeking to establish equal opportunities for women in education and employment. A feminist advocates or supports the rights and equality of women.

Besides the last sentence is really the same as what I am saying. Just that by "equality" they mean women having everything that men have without having to work for it.

 

[Texashiker]

Besides the last sentence is really the same as what I am saying. Just that by "equality" they mean women having everything that men have without having to work for it.

And without making the sacrifices.

 

[Veliko]

When it comes to stuff like registering for the draft, or doing dangerous jobs, feminist are for some reason quiet on those issues.

Feminist want equal rights? Lets start by having them register for the draft when they turn 18 years old.

With equal rights comes equal responsibility.

Yes, and?

Again, feminism is about getting social, political, and economic equality for women. The various feminist groups will target the areas that are most important to them and that they feel they can achieve the best successes in.

There is already a huge increase in the number of women in the military compared to, say, 50 years ago, and that will increase further as the status of women improves.

 

[Veliko]

Reality. Do you think any mainstream ideology is going to come straight out and say they want to take as much power for their group and tough-shit to everyone else?

So you are against any and all ideologies then.

Besides the last sentence is really the same as what I am saying. Just that by "equality" they mean women having everything that men have without having to work for it.

Sorry, what does this even mean?

Who are "they" and what are you referring to?

In the past and even at the moment women do the work and get less in return.

 

[Texashiker]

Yes, and?

Again, feminism is about getting social, political, and economic equality for women.

As I said before, feminist want social, political, and economic equality, but without the sacrifice.

Are feminist demanding women have access to dangerous jobs? Are they demanding equal employment in mining, construction, welding, drilling,,, jobs? Of course not.

I am all for women have equal access and equal rights. But that needs to be across the board and in all aspects of society.

How would society function if men refused to do the dangerous jobs? From now on men will only become lawyers, ceos, accountants,,,, and other professional jobs.

Who would build the drilling rigs? Would would refine the oil? Who would mine the coal? Who would do the demeaning jobs that makes life possible for the rest of us? Feminist are not lining up to do those jobs, men are.

 

[Veliko]

As I said before, feminist want social, political, and economic equality, but without the sacrifice.

Are feminist demanding women have access to dangerous jobs? Are they demanding equal employment in mining, construction, welding, drilling,,, jobs? Of course not.

I am all for women have equal access and equal rights. But that needs to be across the board and in all aspects of society.

How would society function if men refused to do the dangerous jobs? From now on men will only become lawyers, ceos, accountants,,,, and other professional jobs.

Who would build the drilling rigs? Would would refine the oil? Who would mine the coal? Who would do the demeaning jobs that makes life possible for the rest of us?

Again - feminists will target the areas that are most important to them and that they feel they will have the most success in.

By making inroads in specific areas, it opens up other avenues as well, including work in more dangerous areas like mining, construction, welding and drilling.

 

[Texashiker]

Again - feminists will target the areas that are most important to them and that they feel they will have the most success in.

By making inroads in specific areas, it opens up other avenues as well, including work in more dangerous areas like mining, construction, welding and drilling.

I seriously doubt feminist care about doing demeaning jobs that makes life possible for the rest of us.

But anyway, this is off the topic of the thread.

 

[nehalem256]

Again - feminists will target the areas that are most important to them and that they feel they will have the most success in.

By making inroads in specific areas, it opens up other avenues as well, including work in more dangerous areas like mining, construction, welding and drilling.

So you are saying that by more women becoming doctors and lawayers this will naturally lead to more women wanting to work in mining?:hmm:

Sorry, what does this even mean?

Who are "they" and what are you referring to?

The "they" is feminists.

In the past and even at the moment women do the work and get less in return.

BS. It has been shown many times that the idea that women make 70 cents on the dollar for the same work is a lie.

 

[Veliko]

So you are saying that by more women becoming doctors and lawayers this will naturally lead to more women wanting to work in mining?

I didn't mention doctors and lawyers, so this doesn't make any sense.

As I said, by making inroads in specific areas it also allows access into areas of employment.

The "they" is feminists.

The number of feminists will number in the millions and they do not posses a hive mind.

BS. It has been shown many times that the idea that women make 70 cents on the dollar for the same work is a lie.

I think you need to pay more attention to history.

 

[Veliko]

I seriously doubt feminist care about doing demeaning jobs that makes life possible for the rest of us.

Sorry, what?

You consider that mining, construction, welding, and drilling to be demeaning jobs?

Women have been doing cleaning jobs for centuries, which is far more more demeaning than anything you have listed so far.

In fact, prostitution is about as demeaning as you can get and women have also been doing that for centuries.