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Political correctness and birthrate

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In my opinion, being sexist helps sex drive. If a man looks at a woman as a sexual object he is more likely to have sex with her. Sex is likely to lead to marriage and children.

But if the man looks at a woman as an equal, he will not want to have sex with her. Much less marry and want to have kids.
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Seek help.
 
DrPizza said:
Seek help.
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LOL That IS somewhat disturbing. It suggests that the most desirable sexual partners would be the severely retarded, for whom one can and indeed must make all decisions. I would think logically it would be just the opposite - if a man cannot see a woman as his equal, why on Earth would he want to breed with the inferior creature?

I have seen this attitude taken to even greater extremes, where the wife is not allowed to even turn on the television or radio because it's the man's prerogative to decide everything, including seeking entertainment and information. Personally I can't understand why any man would wish to live like that, much less any woman.
 
spacejamz said:
I would be more concerned with Idiocracy coming true...The birthrates of lower income/less educated population are skyrocketing...
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This.

Smart/educated people are too busy with work and making things happen while the idiots are sitting around and have more and more babiies. Race to the bottom indeed.
 
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DrPizza said:
Seek help.
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why?


werepossum said:
LOL That IS somewhat disturbing. It suggests that the most desirable sexual partners would be the severely retarded, for whom one can and indeed must make all decisions. I would think logically it would be just the opposite - if a man cannot see a woman as his equal, why on Earth would he want to breed with the inferior creature?
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Comments like that make it clear this thread has been taken totally out of context.

This is not about insulting women, or making them inferior. Its about how political correctness tells men they should not look at women in a sexual manner.

And then there is the flip side where women are offended when men look at them in a asexual manner.

So you have society and women telling men their natural sex drive is wrong.

A good example is pizzas post telling me to seek help. Why? I have a healthy sex drive. Just because men look at women as sexual objects, so what? Men need help because they want to have sex with women?
 
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nehalem256 said:
Actually my opinion would be the same as the opinion of feminists. The pregnancy is only the issue of the woman.
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Only insofar as a feminist will probably think that a man does not have the right to over-ride a choice regarding a woman's body.

EDIT: And what is so douchy about it? You are giving women autonomy over their lives and expecting women to give you the same. Is expecting equality douchy now?
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Autonomy over their lives has little to do with you both making the same choice and then you running away from your own choice.

Texashiker said:
why?
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Because you wouldn't consider having sex with a woman unless you believe you are superior to her. The fact that she's a woman only seems to register because she has the correct physical attributes for her gender and they're shaped in a way that pleases you. She's just a sexual object.
 
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Only insofar as a feminist will probably think that a man does not have the right to over-ride a choice regarding a woman's body.

Autonomy over their lives has little to do with you both making the same choice and then you running away from your own choice.
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Well except for the fact that women are given several opportunities to "run away from their choice" to have sex(abortion, safe-haven laws, etc).

Put simply men and women do not make the same choice. A man chooses to rub his penis around for 15 min. A woman chooses to carry a fetus around for 9 months. To attach the same consequences for such drastically different actions is absurd.
 
nehalem256 said:
Well except for the fact that women are given several opportunities to "run away from their choice" to have sex(abortion, safe-haven laws, etc).
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Abortion is running away from a choice? I think most women would regard having an abortion as a hell of a choice to make. I haven't heard of "safe haven laws" before and a quick read of wikipedia sounds like it's a better choice that someone less scrupulous might make of say leaving their kid somewhere to starve.

I'm sure that *some* people would regard abortion as some sort of 'quick fix' with no further strings attached, but there will always be *some people* with weird opinions.

Put simply men and women do not make the same choice. A man chooses to rub his penis around for 15 min. A woman chooses to carry a fetus around for 9 months. To attach the same consequences for such drastically different actions is absurd.
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Your opinion, as I already pointed out, I don't think it's an opinion shared by most men.
 
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Abortion is running away from a choice? I think most women would regard having an abortion as a hell of a choice to make.
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Why is ridding yourself of some unwanted cells a "hell of a choice to make"?

From a liberal perspective abortion is really no different than getting a haircut or trimming your nails.

mikeymikec said:
I haven't heard of "safe haven laws" before and a quick read of wikipedia sounds like it's a better choice that someone less scrupulous might make of say leaving their kid somewhere to starve.
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How is leaving the child with its mother less scrupulous than abandoning it at a hospital?

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I'm sure that *some* people would regard abortion as some sort of 'quick fix' with no further strings attached, but there will always be *some people* with weird opinions.
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People like feminists you mean?
But I know that the very first thing I did when I found out I was pregnant was check to make sure I had enough in my account to cover the cost of an abortion. In those initial moments of anxiety, holding two positive pregnancy tests and trying to figure out how to get unpregnant as soon as humanly possible, knowing I wouldn’t have to scramble to come up with the money was an enormous relief.
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http://feministing.com/2011/03/08/human-rights-privilege-and-why-i-bowl-for-abortion-access/

Seems to me like she put less thought on whether to get an abortion than I do on what socks to wear.

But it is not just her. Take for instance the entire country of South Korea

In 2007, 7,774 babies were born out of wedlock in South Korea, 1.6 percent of all births. (In the United States, nearly 40 percent of babies born in 2007 had unmarried mothers, according to the National Center for Health Statistics.) Nearly 96 percent of unwed pregnant women in South Korea choose abortion, according to the Ministry for Health, Welfare and Family Affairs.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/08/world/asia/08mothers.html?_r=0
 
mikeymikec said:
Because you wouldn't consider having sex with a woman unless you believe you are superior to her. The fact that she's a woman only seems to register because she has the correct physical attributes for her gender and they're shaped in a way that pleases you. She's just a sexual object.
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That is simply not true.

This thread is not about me, it is about my opinion on how political correctness has curved natural reproduction rates.
 
Svnla said:
This.

Smart/educated people are too busy with work and making things happen while the idiots are sitting around and have more and more babiies. Race to the bottom indeed.
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If you have no money but plenty of time, or you have money but no time, aren't they both in the same boat just sitting on different sides?
 
nehalem256 said:
Why is ridding yourself of some unwanted cells a "hell of a choice to make"?
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Because those "unwanted cells" represent life forming, and as I understand it, quite a lot goes on hormonally to try and ensure that a pregnant woman regards that foetus as the centre of her universe. Getting an abortion can result in a lot of emotional baggage, questionably due to traditional beliefs in society regarding responsibility and probably partly due to what I described goes on inside the body. Probably a great deal of other factors too.

People like feminists you mean?
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All of them? Me too? Or you just find it simpler to pretend that people who identify themselves as feminist in some respect all happen to have identical beliefs? Does someone you disagree with have to be saintly before you'll acknowledge any validity in their opinion whatsoever?
 
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All of them? Me too? Or you just find it simpler to pretend that people who identify themselves as feminist in some respect all happen to have identical beliefs? Does someone you disagree with have to be saintly before you'll acknowledge any validity in their opinion whatsoever?
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It's the usual bullshit fallacy whereby some people seem to think that feminists have some kind of hive mind and that every action undertaken by one feminist is automatically endorsed by everyone else.

Most of the people who think like that are misogynistic.

Ultimately, feminism is about equality and there is no reason for someone to not identify themselves as a feminist to one degree or another.
 
Veliko said:
It's the usual bullshit fallacy whereby some people seem to think that feminists have some kind of hive mind and that every action undertaken by one feminist is automatically endorsed by everyone else.

Most of the people who think like that are misogynistic.

Ultimately, feminism is about equality and there is no reason for someone to not identify themselves as a feminist to one degree or another.
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The world isn't equal. Equality my ass 😛

Its definitely not equal right now. And you can't complain so much that you make it equal.
 
OverVolt said:
The world isn't equal. Equality my ass 😛

Its definitely not equal right now. And you can't complain so much that you make it equal.
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No, the world isn't equal. Hence the reason why movements like feminism exist.

I'm not entirely sure what you point is.
 
mikeymikec said:
Because those "unwanted cells" represent life forming, and as I understand it, quite a lot goes on hormonally to try and ensure that a pregnant woman regards that foetus as the centre of her universe. Getting an abortion can result in a lot of emotional baggage, questionably due to traditional beliefs in society regarding responsibility and probably partly due to what I described goes on inside the body. Probably a great deal of other factors too.
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Among women with unwanted pregnancies, those who had abortions were no more likely to suffer from problems including anxiety or depression than women who gave birth, the research review by the U.K.'s National Collaborating Centre for Mental Health found.
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http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news...n-doesnt-raise-mental-illness-risk/51762674/1

Unfortunately facts disagree with your assessment.

mikeymikec said:
All of them? Me too? Or you just find it simpler to pretend that people who identify themselves as feminist in some respect all happen to have identical beliefs? Does someone you disagree with have to be saintly before you'll acknowledge any validity in their opinion whatsoever?
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Crazy me thinking that a website called Feministing might you know represent the views of feminists.
 
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