Police want to force an erection on a teen boy and take pictures in sexting case

Oldgamer

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I believe this is in Virginia. But it's unreal that they are doing this, and taking it to this level. Kids who voluntarily sexted each other back and forth, yet they don't charge the girl with anything and she started the sexting first. But the boy gets to have his penis injected with chemicals to force an erection for all to view and take photographs of. Then he gets to have his life destroyed.

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A Manassas City teenager accused of “sexting” a video to his girlfriend is now facing a search warrant in which Manassas City police and Prince William County prosecutors want to take a photo of his erect penis, possibly forcing the teen to become erect by taking him to a hospital and giving him an injection, the teen’s lawyers said. A Prince William County judge allowed the 17-year-old to leave the area without the warrant being served or the pictures being taken — yet.

The teen is facing two felony charges, for possession of child pornography and manufacturing child pornography, which could lead not only to incarceration until he’s 21, but inclusion on the state sex offender data base for, possibly, the rest of his life. David Culver of NBC Washington first reported the story and interviewed the teen’s guardian, his aunt, who was shocked at the lengths Prince William authorities were willing to go to make a sexting case in juvenile court.

“The prosecutor’s job is to seek justice,” said the teen’s defense lawyer, Jessica Harbeson Foster. “What is just about this? How does this advance the interest of the Commonwealth? This is a 17-year-old who goes to school every day, plays football, has never been in trouble with the law before. Now he’s saddled with two felonies and the implication that he’s a sexual predator. I don’t mind trying the case. My goal is to stop the search warrant. I don’t want him to go through that. Taking him down to the hospital so he can get an erection in front of all those cops, that’s traumatizing.”

Manassas City Police spokeswoman Adrienne Helms said the department would not comment, and Detective David E. Abbott, the lead investigator on the case, did not return a call seeking comment. And no one except a Prince William magistrate has seen the affidavit and search warrant for the photos — they aren’t made public until after they are served and then returned to the courthouse. The Post is not naming the teen defendant.

Foster said the case began when the teen’s 15-year-old girlfriend sent photos of herself to the 17-year-old, who in turn sent her the video in question. The girl has not been charged, and her mother filed a complaint about the boy’s video, Foster said. The male teen was served with petitions from juvenile court in early February, and not arrested, but when the case went to trial in juvenile court in June, Foster said prosecutors forgot to certify that the teen was a juvenile. The case was dismissed, but police immediately obtained new charges and also a search warrant for his home. Police also arrested the teen and took him to juvenile jail, where Foster said they took photos of the teen’s genitals against his will.

The case was set for trial on July 1, where Foster said Assistant Commonwealth’s Attorney Claiborne Richardson told her that her client must either plead guilty or police would obtain another search warrant “for pictures of his erect penis,” for comparison to the evidence from the teen’s cell phone. Foster asked how that would be accomplished and was told that “we just take him down to the hospital, give him a shot and then take the pictures that we need.”

The teen declined to plead guilty. Foster said the prosecutor then requested a continuance so police could get a search warrant, which was granted by substitute Juvenile Court Judge Jan Roltsch-Anoll. Two days later, both sides were back in court. Foster had filed a motion to allow her client to travel out of state to visit family. Richardson wanted the teen to comply with the search warrant before he left. Juvenile Court Judge Lisa Baird declined to order that, and allowed the teen to leave the area. But he has another court date on July 15.

Despite the request by the prosecutor in court, Prince William County Commonwealth’s Attorney Paul B. Ebert said that police told him “these allegations [by the lawyers] lack credibility.” He said he would look into the matter further.

Carlos Flores Laboy, appointed the teen’s guardian ad litem in the case, said he thought it was just as illegal for the Manassas City police to create their own child pornography as to investigate the teen for it. “They’re using a statute that was designed to protect children from being exploited in a sexual manner,” Flores Laboy said, “to take a picture of this young man in a sexually explicit manner. The irony is incredible.” The guardian added, “As a parent myself, I was floored. It’s child abuse. We’re wasting thousands of dollars and resources and man hours on a sexting case. That’s what we’re doing.”

Foster said Detective Abbott told her that after obtaining photos of the teen’s erect penis he would “use special software to compare pictures of this penis to this penis. Who does this? It’s just crazy.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...teen-in-sexually-explicit-manner-lawyers-say/
 

xBiffx

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Seems like a clear cut fourth amendment violation to me.

Not surprised that the girl is getting off with our double standards these days.
 

Kadarin

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This particular matter should be dropped, and the girl's mother needs to just stop. There is no victim here other than the 17yr old kid.
 

ElFenix

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These kids are a danger to society and must be imprisoned to make them stop!
 

Thebobo

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lol forced erection

where Foster said they took photos of the teen’s genitals against his will.

Wow wonder how violent and traumatic was that for the young man.
 

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Aside from all the obvious wrongs with this case, of which there are many. What does police want to achieve by giving him erection and taking a photo? Does police maintain some sort of dick "fingerprint" database that they can use to identify the dick in the photo as belonging to the boy? I can only imagine police pixel-peeping the dick photos. Oh yeah, that's the one, definitely the one, you can tell by the .....[redacted].....

IMO everyone involved in this case should be fired for traumatizing the teen and wasting tax payer money.
 
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xBiffx

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lol forced erection
where Foster said they took photos of the teen’s genitals against his will.

Wow wonder how violent and traumatic was that for the young man.

How big is his will? That might change things. Small will, he'll be fine...big will, that's a problem.

And yes, you can quantify it in number of pages if you like.
 

TerryMathews

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Seems like a clear cut fourth amendment violation to me.

Not surprised that the girl is getting off with our double standards these days.
It doesn't to me. They obviously have evidence that links him to the video of the penis.

Medically erecting it is no different than forcing a muscle to contract in order to obtain a picture of a tattoo. Since they got a warrant, outrage not found.

The child porn statute is fucked up in this case, but by appearances they are properly following the law as written.
 

K1052

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Aside from all the obvious wrongs with this case, of which there are many. What does police want to achieve by giving him erection and taking a photo? Does police maintain some sort of dick "fingerprint" database that they can use to identify the dick in the photo as belonging to the boy? I can only imagine police pixel-peeping the dick photos. Oh yeah, that's the one, definitely the one, you can tell by the .....[redacted].....

IMO everyone involved in this case should be fired for traumatizing the teen and wasting tax payer money.

Apparently the local police have somehow acquired special erect penis comparison software...

Foster said Detective Abbott told her that after obtaining photos of the teen’s erect penis he would “use special software to compare pictures of this penis to this penis.
 

xBiffx

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It doesn't to me. They obviously have evidence that links him to the video of the penis.

Medically erecting it is no different than forcing a muscle to contract in order to obtain a picture of a tattoo. Since they got a warrant, outrage not found.

The child porn statute is fucked up in this case, but by appearances they are properly following the law as written.

Taking a picture of a tattoo, say on your arm, using an electronic surface mounted device is slightly different that shoving a needle in a boy's penis to force an erection to take a picture.

Both pictures likely end up in a database and I would think that the penis picture is a violation of his rights if this is the case.
 

smackababy

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While I think they are going a bit far for a stupid sexting case, the actual search warrant doesn't bother me. How are they to identify the a video of an erect penis without having pictures of an erect penis to compare it to?

The best part is, if this was some 45 year old creep, everyone would be okay with medically inducing an erection to make a positive ID from a video. The fact that it is a 17 year old, who broke the law, makes this some kind of stupid emotional "whaaaa police state" issue.
 

alzan

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Seems like a clear cut fourth amendment violation to me.

Not surprised that the girl is getting off with our double standards these days.

I didn't see in the article that she had an orgasm.

A teenage boy needs a medically induced erection, bullshit. Teenage boys get an erection without much prompting. The police and the school need to take chill pills.
 

xBiffx

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Apparently the local police have somehow acquired special erect penis comparison software...

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TerryMathews

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Taking a picture of a tattoo, say on your arm, using an electronic surface mounted device is slightly different that shoving a needle in a boy's penis to force an erection to take a picture.

Both pictures likely end up in a database and I would think that the penis picture is a violation of his rights in this case.

You would be incorrect. Case law is clear, the courts have processes to deal with explicit photos of children as evidence, this is no different.

"Forcing a needle" to cause an erection is no different than forcibly collecting blood for a BA screening, either in discomfort or scope.
 

xBiffx

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You would be incorrect. Case law is clear, the courts have processes to deal with explicit photos of children as evidence, this is no different.

"Forcing a needle" to cause an erection is no different than forcibly collecting blood for a BA screening, either in discomfort or scope.

The case law you sight is when they are able to use such evidence in an objectively quantifiable test. All the police have available is something that sounds pretty subjective.
 

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Originally Posted by xBiffx
Seems like a clear cut fourth amendment violation to me.

Not surprised that the girl is getting off with our double standards these days.


It doesn't to me. They obviously have evidence that links him to the video of the penis.

Medically erecting it is no different than forcing a muscle to contract in order to obtain a picture of a tattoo. Since they got a warrant, outrage not found.

The child porn statute is fucked up in this case, but by appearances they are properly following the law as written.

Always sad to see people in P&N supporting such things as this.

America used to be a land to look up to.

Now it's not any different than the rest of the radicalized nut job nations.
 

Oldgamer

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Let me see if I understand this right from some of you. You think that it's ok to charge this kid on Child Pornography charges for taking a picture of his own dick and sending it to his girlfriend, and.. forcibly causing him to get an erection so the cops can take pictures of his dick?? My head is just doing a double take on some of the logic here..

Seriously, I hope that kid and his parents attorney is a damned good one, because they are doing the very thing that they are charging him for. In addition the girl sent nude photos of herself to the kid first, yet she isn't being charged with anything! What the fuck ...?
 

smackababy

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Let me see if I understand this right from some of you. You think that it's ok to charge this kid on Child Pornography charges for taking a picture of his own dick and sending it to his girlfriend, and.. forcibly causing him to get an erection so the cops can take pictures of his dick?? My head is just doing a double take on some of the logic here..

Seriously, I hope that kid and his parents attorney is a damned good one, because they are doing the very thing that they are charging him for. In addition the girl sent nude photos of herself to the kid first, yet she isn't being charged with anything! What the fuck ...?

I think it is okay to use the methods to gather evidence for this case to be okay. I think the charges themselves are within accordance of the law. I also think the laws regarding this type of behavior among teenagers of similar ages (15 and 17) are fucking stupid. The problem is, people want to conflate police following procedures to gather evidence with a prosecutor having a hard on for a sex offender case (catch the pun? >_<). The laws are too rigid for how technology has advanced in the past 10 years. Before, the worse was a polaroid being taken and maybe passed around. Now, it is much easier to create the content and to share it with thousands of people.

I think another problem with this case is the teen didn't plead out for a likely lesser charge and that hurt the prosecutors ego, so he is using the letter of the law to his advantage.
 

TerryMathews

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Let me see if I understand this right from some of you. You think that it's ok to charge this kid on Child Pornography charges for taking a picture of his own dick and sending it to his girlfriend, and.. forcibly causing him to get an erection so the cops can take pictures of his dick?? My head is just doing a double take on some of the logic here..

Seriously, I hope that kid and his parents attorney is a damned good one, because they are doing the very thing that they are charging him for. In addition the girl sent nude photos of herself to the kid first, yet she isn't being charged with anything! What the fuck ...?
No different than comparing the rifling of a bullet.

I already said, the CP statute is fucked up. A 15 and a 17 year old should not be on the hook for texting each other.

That said, it appears they are following the statute as written. I have no issue with proper evidence collection. They went before a judge, showed their evidence, and the judge issued a warrant.

Let's be clear here too, no one is claiming its a different penis.

I imagine that he could avoid the procedure if he stipulated it was his penis in the video. We both know that's not going to happen.

ETA: She should definitely be charged as well. Females should not be off the hook in sex abuse cases for simply having a vagina.
 

JEDIYoda

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Always sad to see people in P&N supporting such things as this.

America used to be a land to look up to.

Now it's not any different than the rest of the radicalized nut job nations.

Originally Posted by Oldgamer -- Let me see if I understand this right from some of you. You think that it's ok to charge this kid on Child Pornography charges for taking a picture of his own dick and sending it to his girlfriend, and.. forcibly causing him to get an erection so the cops can take pictures of his dick?? My head is just doing a double take on some of the logic here..

Seriously, I hope that kid and his parents attorney is a damned good one, because they are doing the very thing that they are charging him for. In addition the girl sent nude photos of herself to the kid first, yet she isn't being charged with anything! What the fuck ...?


As Americans we need to stand up for our rights!! We need to let our voices be heard!

Use to be the Police were our friends......we could even tell our children the Police are your friend!

What happened? The Police are steamrolling over our rights!

I cannot believe that I agree with dmcowen674....
 

Oldgamer

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I just sent my emails out to these idiots, and I made and left my voice messages with them. If any of you feel the same way I do then I encourage you to do the same.

Paul B. Ebert -- Commonwealth's Attorney for Prince William County
(703) 792-6050 // cwoffice@pwcgov.org

Douglas W. Keen -- Manassas Chief of Police
(703) 257-8000 // dkeen@manassasva.gov

this is the Detective responsible for this insanity:

D.E. Abbott -- Manassas Police "Internet Crimes Against Children"
(703) 257-8042 // dabbott@manassasva.gov
 

alzan

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I just sent my emails out to these idiots, and I made and left my voice messages with them. If any of you feel the same way I do then I encourage you to do the same.

Paul B. Ebert -- Commonwealth's Attorney for Prince William County
(703) 792-6050 // cwoffice@pwcgov.org

Douglas W. Keen -- Manassas Chief of Police
(703) 257-8000 // dkeen@manassasva.gov

this is the Detective responsible for this insanity:

D.E. Abbott -- Manassas Police "Internet Crimes Against Children"
(703) 257-8042 // dabbott@manassasva.gov

Thanks for the links; will look through once I'm home
 

smackababy

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I just sent my emails out to these idiots, and I made and left my voice messages with them. If any of you feel the same way I do then I encourage you to do the same.

Paul B. Ebert -- Commonwealth's Attorney for Prince William County
(703) 792-6050 // cwoffice@pwcgov.org

Douglas W. Keen -- Manassas Chief of Police
(703) 257-8000 // dkeen@manassasva.gov

this is the Detective responsible for this insanity:

D.E. Abbott -- Manassas Police "Internet Crimes Against Children"
(703) 257-8042 // dabbott@manassasva.gov

So, you sent out emails based on your misunderstanding of the law, fueled only by retard outrage? I'm sure your "omg cop bad, child good" email does a lot.
 

Oldgamer

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This guy sent a very good email response:

Dear Sirs/Madames,

I'm sure you are aware of the Washington Post story on your efforts to compel this 17 year old boy to undergo an injection in the hospital to involuntarily cause an erection so that you can photograph it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/local/wp/2014/...

I write just as an ordinary person, not a lawyer. What you are doing is just plain wrong. You are talking about actually entering into a minor's sexuality to force him to experience an involuntary sexual reaction. Can you imagine doing that to a young girl, or this young girl, who sent the boy her explicit photographs. It is just way the heck wrong.

This isn't just my reaction. This is the reaction of all those who appear in the Washington Post "most liked" comments to the above article. I hope you will take the time to read through them.

I think you would be best served by dropping this case or reaching a settlement with the boy that does not involve more than community service and that does not hang the label of sex offender on this kid for the rest of his life.

Thank you for your consideration in the above regard.

Very truly yours,

The e-mail address is: cwoffice@pwcgov.org