Police want to force an erection on a teen boy and take pictures in sexting case

[TerryMathews]

Have to admit it is an odd sort of search. I suppose warrants confer nearly unlimited power these days in the land of those who still believe they are free.

Judges can do anything as long as they aren't overruled by a superior court.

They can rewrite a law as a tax.

They can give the ability to have religious beliefs to a corporation.

They can free slaves.

They can even have people put to death.

 

[TerryMathews]

kinda stretching with that child porn there aren't you?

17 year old in possession of a picture of himself is not child porn unless you live in a police state which you clearly do.

15 year old girl in possession of pictures of a 17 year old boy is certainly child porn under the laws as written.

 

[sandorski]

Everyone old and young who has gone through tsa screening to board a flight has a photo of their junk already on file with the government. It's nothing to be ashamed of.

For some reason I think the headline actually is "Police want to scare a teen by threatening to take a picture of his junk."

The only question left is, who is paying for these threads to be posted here, and how much do they pay? I want in on this revenue

We are all part of the Junk Registry.

 

[master_shake_]

15 year old girl in possession of pictures of a 17 year old boy is certainly child porn under the laws as written.

ahem

the girl was 15... she's not been prosecuted.

 

[TerryMathews]

Actually they didn't get that authority and just made an update with the Washington Post saying they would never do such a thing. Apparently your not keeping up in this thread.. not surprising..lol

That's a stretch. They said it wasn't the policy of the DA or the PD. They omitted whether they had a warrant compelling them to perform that search.

I would think someone that posted so many threads lambasting the police for their bad acts would be good at decoding weasel words.

 

[TerryMathews]

Authoritarians gonna love authority.

If you follow my posts, you'll see I'm big on enforcing laws as written which cuts both ways.

For the third time, this is a bad law. At a minimum it should have some sort of Romeo and Juliet provision.

Challenging the authority of the police to collect evidence does not move us in that direction.

 

[TheVrolok]

Absolutely absurd.

 

[TerryMathews]

ahem

the girl was 15... she's not been prosecuted.

I didn't see a mention in the article where she sent pics of her junk to him. Did she?

If she did, she is as guilty as he is of manufacturing and distributing child porn according to the statute as written.

 

[master_shake_]

I didn't see a mention in the article where she sent pics of her junk to him. Did she?

If she did, she is as guilty as he is of manufacturing and distributing child porn according to the statute as written.

did you even read the article?

Foster said the case began when the teen’s 15-year-old girlfriend sent photos of herself to the 17-year-old, who in turn sent her the video in question. The girl has not been charged, and her mother filed a complaint about the boy’s video, Foster said. The male teen was served with petitions from juvenile court in early February, and not arrested, but when the case went to trial in juvenile court in June, Foster said prosecutors forgot to certify that the teen was a juvenile. The case was dismissed, but police immediately obtained new charges and also a search warrant for his home. Police also arrested the teen and took him to juvenile jail, where Foster said they took photos of the teen’s genitals against his will.

see that part where he sent it to her, she is now in possession of child pornography

throw the book at her.

and she was manufacturing it.

 

[PliotronX]

I may be dating myself here, but there was a time when this kind of crap wouldnt have been taken seriously.

 

[Oldgamer]

did you even read the article?



see that part where he sent it to her, she is now in possession of child pornography

throw the book at her.

He is not reading or keeping up he is just spewing ugly nonsense and that is why I question his sanity..lol

 

[master_shake_]

I may be dating myself here, but there was a time when this kind of crap wouldnt have been taken seriously.

i was actually going to elude to that but decided not too for fear of being labelled as an old timer

 

[Oldgamer]

I may be dating myself here, but there was a time when this kind of crap wouldnt have been taken seriously.

I know but we have some seriously religious right wing nuts that have sort of taken over this country..lol I mean from trying to get rid of higher education and dumbing down schools and making it difficult for women to get birth control, this is really about the religious coming out in force and punishing people for sex...omg sex.

 

[sandorski]

Practically every Teen has a device where they can have Private conversations with other Teens 24/7 and the same device can take/send Photos and Videos. I suspect there is more "Child Porn" than actual Porn already.

This is a case where Technology has rendered the Law and Social Conventions obsolete. Perhaps better stated, what was once only done Person to Person is now done on an easily trackable medium that Others can also experience by way of Recording. Fundamentally, this is the Law, meant to stop Criminal Activities, now Criminalizing behaviour that has always been a part of life.

Now I'm not saying that Teens should just start sending Sexts as if they were like saying "Hi". Clearly there are many reasons why it's best that Teens should be discouraged from doing this kind of thing. However, tossing kids in jail is not a good way to address it. Especially when no one has been coerced or harmed.

 

[HomerJS]

Did anyone tell local law enforcement VA the former home of the forced vaginal ultrasound Cuccinelli lost the race??

 

[JEDIYoda]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldgamer
So if they wanted to force the girl to be aroused to take a picture of her clit, to see if that was in fact her clit in the pictures, would you all feel the same way??

Yes.

That's bceause somebody like TerryMathews can be anything they want on the internet.....

 

[TerryMathews]

did you even read the article?

see that part where he sent it to her, she is now in possession of child pornography

throw the book at her.

and she was manufacturing it.

Absolutely.

I'm not one of these people who says that male child molesters deserve prison and female molesters deserve high fives.

These statutes should be applied evenly across genders.

 

[master_shake_]

I know but we have some seriously religious right wing nuts that have sort of taken over this country..lol I mean from trying to get rid of higher education and dumbing down schools and making it difficult for women to get birth control, this is really about the religious coming out in force and punishing people for sex...omg sex.

"The real owners are the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians, they're an irrelevancy. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They've long since bought and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the statehouses, the city halls. They've got the judges in their back pockets. And they own all the big media companies, so that they control just about all of the news and information you hear. They've got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying * lobbying to get what they want. Well, we know what they want; they want more for themselves and less for everybody else." "But I'll tell you what they don't want. They don't want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don't want well-informed, well-educated people capable of critical thinking. They're not interested in that. That doesn't help them. That's against their interests. They don't want people who are smart enough to sit around the kitchen table and figure out how badly they're getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago. "You know what they want? Obedient workers * people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork but just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it. And, now, they're coming for your Social Security. They want your fucking retirement money. They want it back, so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street. And you know something? They'll get it. They'll get it all, sooner or later, because they own this fucking place. It's a big club, and you ain't in it. You and I are not in the big club." "This country is finished."

-George Carlin

 

[TerryMathews]

I know but we have some seriously religious right wing nuts that have sort of taken over this country..lol I mean from trying to get rid of higher education and dumbing down schools and making it difficult for women to get birth control, this is really about the religious coming out in force and punishing people for sex...omg sex.

I'm surprised that so many of you are in favor of anarchy and reserving certain laws for only unpopular "criminals".

That is true injustice. That's what almost put Dave in prison, a badly written and rarely enforced law.

The statute is bad. That does not mean that it is unenforceable.

Also just FYI age of consent laws are a Democratic/liberal creation. Republicans/conservatives and the religions that make up their base traditionally believed in marriage in the early teens. My great grandmother was married at 12. Granted, almost 100 years ago but still.

I suppose though in your simple mind it is easier to dismiss me as a "right wing nut" than it is to read what I'm posting and consider an alternative point of view.

 

[TerryMathews]

-George Carlin

Not to interrupt your circle jerk but you realize that the Democrats are equally guilty of all of Carlin's complaints right?

 

[master_shake_]

Not to interrupt your circle jerk but you realize that the Democrats are equally guilty of all of Carlin's complaints right?

yep.

doesn't matter who you elect anymore.

they're all the same.

 

[TerryMathews]

yep.

doesn't matter who you elect anymore.

they're all the same.

Well, at least we can agree on something.

 

[TerryMathews]

That's bceause somebody like TerryMathews can be anything they want on the internet.....

Might be time to lay off the sauce tonight, chief. Google Translate can't even make sense out of that post.

 

[D-Man]

Why am I picturing in my mind a mug shot of 6 erect penis's.

 

[emperus]

Are you having reading problems tonight? My comment regarding case law was clearly referring to law enforcement possession of child porn.

My gosh, they were even in different paragraphs for you!

Terry, you know by know I'm not the one to play this game with. Go read the post you replied to then re-read your reply. You clearly overstated whatever case you were trying to make.

This was the post you replied to:

Taking a picture of a tattoo, say on your arm, using an electronic surface mounted device is slightly different that shoving a needle in a boy's penis to force an erection to take a picture.
Both pictures likely end up in a database and I would think that the penis picture is a violation of his rights if this is the case.

Now this your post:

You would be incorrect. Case law is clear, the courts have processes to deal with explicit photos of children as evidence, this is no different.
"Forcing a needle" to cause an erection is no different than forcibly collecting blood for a BA screening, either in discomfort or scope.

Xbiff had one point in his post and you said he was incorrect about that and pulled the case law point out of your ass to prove his supposed wrongness.

Drawing blood is substantially less invasive than giving someone something intravenously to force them to have an erection. That is a no brainer.