police used a bomb droid to take out Dallas shooter

[jlee]

I don't know enough yet to comment if the true threat, at the time the bomb was used, is being exaggerated or not. I don't see much of an issue in ending an active threat this way rather than with bullets.

Considering the larger issues at hand, I don't like the image presented by using explosives. I hope an opportunity wasn't missed to demonstrate that, even in unusually tense situations, the police can show intelligence and restraint rather than simply doing the more of the same shit that people are already pissed off about.

In case you're not familiar with Dallas PD-

http://www.whio.com/news/news/national/dallas-pd-national-model-how-avoid-lethal-force/nrt9t/

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...en_a_model_for_reducing_officer_involved.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ing-those-things-could-now-be-more-difficult/

 

[TallBill]

Really? They've always seemed to use dogs as weapons. I never heard of cops picking out one of their own and saying "You go get him. We'll wait here until you've taken him down and have him under control."

But I can certainly understand not sending a dog right into a situation where he's very likely to get shot.

Canine is usually beneath presentation of deadly force on the use of force spectrum.

Keep in mind that police use a higher level of force than what a subject is using. If a bad guy is already using or presenting deadly force then the appropriate response is deadly force.

So even if he stops shooting he is still clearly presenting a threat of bodily harm for all.

 

[TallBill]

In case you're not familiar with Dallas PD-

http://www.whio.com/news/news/national/dallas-pd-national-model-how-avoid-lethal-force/nrt9t/

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...en_a_model_for_reducing_officer_involved.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ing-those-things-could-now-be-more-difficult/

I wouldn't even try. He clearly has his mind made up regardless of fact.

 

[Humpy]

In case you're not familiar with Dallas PD-

http://www.whio.com/news/news/national/dallas-pd-national-model-how-avoid-lethal-force/nrt9t/

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...en_a_model_for_reducing_officer_involved.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ing-those-things-could-now-be-more-difficult/

That's all great!

Doesn't change what happened though.

 

[Humpy]

I wouldn't even try. He clearly has his mind made up regardless of fact.

🙄

 

[jlee]

That's all great!

Doesn't change what happened though.

It shows the mindset behind the agency that made the decision. It's a department with an incredible track record for reducing use of force and you're claiming they might be "simply doing the more of the same shit that people are already pissed off about." Which is exactly the opposite of what Dallas has done over the last several years.

 

[SOFTengCOMPelec]

I don't know enough yet to comment if the true threat, at the time the bomb was used, is being exaggerated or not. I don't see much of an issue in ending an active threat this way rather than with bullets.

Considering the larger issues at hand, I don't like the image presented by using explosives. I hope an opportunity wasn't missed to demonstrate that, even in unusually tense situations, the police can show intelligence and restraint rather than simply doing the more of the same shit that people are already pissed off about.

There would have been many advantages to arresting them, WITHOUT lethal force, if possible and safe.

They could have used him, to help find out who else (if anyone) is part of his group. He would have known the location of any bombs that have been set (which if left, could have killed multiple people).

Finding out what his motives were, WHY (was he mentally ill, coerced by others, or whatever ?).

As you said, showing compassion and giving that person a fair trial, may have been a good/better long term policy.

Early indications are that the police probably did the right thing, with the weaponized robot bomb. But time will tell.

It at least ended the siege, WITHOUT any others being killed or injured, which might NOT have been the case, if they had handled the situation differently.

 

[Humpy]

It shows the mindset behind the agency that made the decision. It's a department with an incredible track record for reducing use of force and you're claiming they might be "simply doing the more of the same shit that people are already pissed off about." Which is exactly the opposite of what Dallas has done over the last several years.

It's a fallacy to argue that because they have done a good job in the recent past that they also did a good job here. One can also link to evidence of the crappy job that the Dallas PD used to do, and are now attempting to clean up, but it would be an equally poor argument.

Additionally, the current problem isn't limited to precincts or state lines. There is a wide perception that police treat black people more harshly than others. If there was any way to avoid it, using C4 to apprehend a suspect probably wasn't the best choice given the current overall state of things.

 

[purbeast0]

i can't really fathom how anybody would have a problem with killing this guy by any means possible that would result in the least possible chance of more life lost (other than the killer). it just doesn't compute in my mind.

it's not like there was a question as to what this guy did and he was still in a shootout with police when this happened. it's not like they sent an armed robot into a suspects bedroom and blew him up at 2am while he was sleeping with no weapons in his house.

good riddance to the piece of shit.

 

[dainthomas]

i can't really fathom how anybody would have a problem with killing this guy by any means possible that would result in the least possible chance of more life lost (other than the killer). it just doesn't compute in my mind.

it's not like there was a question as to what this guy did and he was still in a shootout with police when this happened. it's not like they sent an armed robot into a suspects bedroom and blew him up at 2am while he was sleeping with no weapons in his house.

good riddance to the piece of shit.

Just the standard Monday morning quarterbacking by the Call of Duty spec ops experts in here.

 

[Humpy]

There would have been many advantages to arresting them, WITHOUT lethal force, if possible and safe.

They could have used him, to help find out who else (if anyone) is part of his group. He would have known the location of any bombs that have been set (which if left, could have killed multiple people).

Finding out what his motives were, WHY (was he mentally ill, coerced by others, or whatever ?).

As you said, showing compassion and giving that person a fair trial, may have been a good/better long term policy.

Early indications are that the police probably did the right thing, with the weaponized robot bomb. But time will tell.

It at least ended the siege, WITHOUT any others being killed or injured, which might NOT have been the case, if they had handled the situation differently.

I agree with most all of this.

I don't totally agree that striving to give a criminal a fair trial is an act of compassion though. I see it more as a requirement and a crucial part of living up to the ideals we preach as a society (which includes compassion, but also reason and fairness in the application of law).

This was one dude. Hopefully it becomes crystal clear that bombing him was the best thing to do.

 

[ImpulsE69]

So far I haven't seen anyone making an issue out of him being killed or how he was killed. Is it?

Also, whats the story on multiple shooters, I keep seeing both, but the 'it's safe he was alone' seems to be the primary story getting thrown around. The videos sure sound like multiple shooters. There are times automatic fire is clearly happening at simultaneously.

 

[Charmonium]

I wonder if they could have tried shooting a net at him. Do they make a stun-net sort of like a net with taser electrification? You could have put that in the drone's shotgun and then planted the c4 on the chassis.

 

[JM Aggie08]

I wonder if they could have tried shooting a net at him. Do they make a stun-net sort of like a net with taser electrification? You could have put that in the drone's shotgun and then planted the c4 on the chassis.

Wat

 

[Humpy]

i can't really fathom how anybody would have a problem with killing this guy by any means possible that would result in the least possible chance of more life lost (other than the killer). it just doesn't compute in my mind.

it's not like there was a question as to what this guy did and he was still in a shootout with police when this happened. it's not like they sent an armed robot into a suspects bedroom and blew him up at 2am while he was sleeping with no weapons in his house.

good riddance to the piece of shit.

There are hundreds of questions as to what he did, where he was, who he was with, and why. The police are still announcing and changing basic facts of the events as each day passes.

I don't think there has even been confirmation of how many people the suspect injured/killed versus what may have been done by "friendly fire".

 

[desura]

I really wish we could get a photo of Micah Johnson's mangled corpse.

 

[purbeast0]

There are hundreds of questions as to what he did, where he was, who he was with, and why. The police are still announcing and changing basic facts of the events as each day passes.

I don't think there has even been confirmation of how many people the suspect injured/killed versus what may have been done by "friendly fire".

we know he killed people and we know it was because they were white and he was angry about white cops killing black people. what more do you need to know?

he was LOL'ing at the cops as they tried to negotiate and joked around asking how many had he already killed and he wanted to kill more. these "hundreds of questions" you are wondering about were never going to be answered by this loonatik anyways.

there really doesn't even need to be more time wasted on this guy. people become infamous with this kinda shit and it is what spawns copy cats too. that's partially the medias fault for all of the coverage, but also our fault as consumers since we're so intrigued by it.

 

[Humpy]

we know he killed people and we know it was because they were white and he was angry about white cops killing black people. what more do you need to know?

I want to know the evidence and facts.

One big problem with simply killing the suspect is that we will only ever hear the narrative as presented by the police, who were also the victims. Since there won't be a trial there isn't a burden to investigate, gather, and present evidence on the record under oath. We will never hear the story as presented by a defense on the record and under oath.

What we will get is the usual bits and pieces of police statements and press releases mixed with media opinion and social media outrage.

 

[Humpy]

I really wish we could get a photo of Micah Johnson's mangled corpse.

LOL

Just go stomp the shit out of a puppy and take some pictures. You'll get the same thrill. 🙂

 

[jlee]

It's a fallacy to argue that because they have done a good job in the recent past that they also did a good job here. One can also link to evidence of the crappy job that the Dallas PD used to do, and are now attempting to clean up, but it would be an equally poor argument.

Additionally, the current problem isn't limited to precincts or state lines. There is a wide perception that police treat black people more harshly than others. If there was any way to avoid it, using C4 to apprehend a suspect probably wasn't the best choice given the current overall state of things.

I'm arguing that they did a good job here because they did a good job here. The background has no bearing on whether or not I approve of their actions, but it does demonstrate the attitude and behavior of the department behind the decision.

If you have a better solution than C4 on a robot that does not involve more officers dying, I'm all ears.

LOL

Just go stomp the shit out of a puppy and take some pictures. You'll get the same thrill. 🙂

Shit like this is why you used to live on my ignore list. It might be time to put you back.

 

[Humpy]

Shit like this is why you used to live on my ignore list. It might be time to put you back.

That you're more upset about a sarcastic reply to a forum post rather than the initial post only makes me think less of you than ever before.

If it will help you cope, I would be honored to be on your ignore list. 🙂

 

[Humpy]

I'm arguing that they did a good job here because they did a good job here.

Can't argue with that logic! 🙂

LOL

 

[jlee]

That you're more upset about a sarcastic reply to a forum post rather than the initial post only makes me think less of you than ever before.

If it will help you cope, I would be honored to be on your ignore list. 🙂

Because animal abuse and a lawful use of deadly force by a police department to stop an active shooter are totally the same thing. 🙄

Can't argue with that logic! 🙂

LOL

I've already explained my reasoning - if I have to dumb it down for a specific audience, I'm happy to do so.

 

[Humpy]

Because animal abuse and a lawful use of deadly force by a police department to stop an active shooter are totally the same thing. 🙄

The lawful use of deadly force by a police department to stop an active shooter?

Come on now, the poster just asked for a picture of mangled corpse (anyone got a link?)

A common mistake that simple folk make is to make stuff more complicated than it really is.

I've already explained my reasoning - if I have to dumb it down for a specific audience, I'm happy to do so.

Nah, I'm good with what you've posted. 🙂

 

[olds]

The lawful use of deadly force by a police department to stop an active shooter?

Come on now, the poster just asked for a picture of mangled corpse (anyone got a link?)

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Easy enough to find on Google