Police taser and arrest man for leaving airport by bicycle

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Do you have anything worthwhile to say ric1287 or are you just going to keep posting sentence fragments about how other people are dumb and not you. No, definitely not you. You couldn't be the dumb one. No way.

You haven't argued anything! i could care less if i write in sentance fragments on a forum, you have no argument other than "pigs are corrupt" and have nothing else to respond with. Its kind of sad, but whatever.

Ive had 3 posts that have logical arguments, but they go ignored. I shall leave you to your blissfull ignorance since apparently you've been pulled over for speeding one too many times and cannot see the stupidity of your own statements. Have a fun life 🙂

I'm not kidding dude. Most of the guys outraged in this thread are wannabe-hardcore cyclists. The rest are anti-establishment type jumping on a chance to rail about the fascist police. Say your peace and let the circle jerk run its course. We get a post like this every month or so about the injustices done to some poor noble bicyclist. This is just proof that everybody loves to feel like a victim/oppressed/singled out/special.

 

[antillean]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Do you have anything worthwhile to say ric1287 or are you just going to keep posting sentence fragments about how other people are dumb and not you. No, definitely not you. You couldn't be the dumb one. No way.

You haven't argued anything! i could care less if i write in sentance fragments on a forum, you have no argument other than "pigs are corrupt" and have nothing else to respond with. Its kind of sad, but whatever.

Ive had 3 posts that have logical arguments, but they go ignored. I shall leave you to your blissfull ignorance since apparently you've been pulled over for speeding one too many times and cannot see the stupidity of your own statements. Have a fun life 🙂

I'm not kidding dude. Most of the guys outraged in this thread are wannabe-hardcore cyclists. The rest are anti-establishment type jumping on a chance to rail about the fascist police. Say your peace and let the circle jerk run its course. We get a post like this every month or so about the injustices done to some poor noble bicyclist. This is just proof that everybody loves to feel like a victim/oppressed/singled out/special.

As an American, or as a citizen of the free world, you should be outraged by police brutality. If you aren't, something is wrong. This guy needs to sue, not post angry blogs.

 

[FreshPrince]

I'm sure there's another side to the story....

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: antillean
As an American, or as a citizen of the free world, you should be outraged by police brutality. If you aren't, something is wrong. This guy needs to sue, not post angry blogs.

Some of the people in this forum seem to love nothing more than dangling from the nutsack of some ego-tripping cop. It's sad how many people seem to feel that we subjects... errr citizens should simply follow orders and do what they're told, and anyone who goes against the grain deserves whatever they get including jail time and violence.

 

[LS20]

Originally posted by: NuroMancer


Don't get me wrong, I don't think there was a need for a tazer.

If I get pulled over for irratic driving, I can't tell the officer that I didn't break any traffic laws so piss off and then drive away....

The cyclist had no right to get back on his bike and take off.

That in turn does not excuse the use of a taser, especially when there were two officers to one cyclist. I can see them yanking him off his bike, but not tazering.

and i agree 100% with all of that

 

[SampSon]

Thoes crazy coppers, always itching to use their weapons!

 

[antillean]

Originally posted by: LS20

Originally posted by: waggy

no but trying to flee (wich is what he did) does.

the cops were talking to him telling him he is breaking the laws (rideing the wrong way on a one way is against the law) the then says ok thanks and hops on his bike and try's to take off. they yank him off his bike.

violation of the law = citation
flee / avoiding arrest = put under restrain

tasering >>>> putting under restrain

this is like the kid in the library redux. taser = substitute for a gun. taser != next escalation level after citation

Since he wasn't breaking in laws, they had no reason to arrest him, or taser him. You can't charge someone with resisting arrest if the cause for arrest was invalid in the first place, can you??

 

[DivideBYZero]

All cyclists deserve a taser to the nutbag.

 

[Schfifty Five]

After reading that, I'm disgusted by how the cops were on a power trip but also was annoyed by how the cyclist had that "smart ass" tone in how he handled things.

He asked how I planned to get there. I explained my planned route out of the airport that completely avoids the highway, using the service roads, connecting to Post Road and then the bike trails in Fort Snelling State Park. Officer Wingate said, 'Well, I see you've done your homework. *Just this once* I'll let you ride out along here', referring to the one-way service road that parallels the main airport egress, but traveling against the marked flow of traffic, and that connects to Post Road, Fort Snelling, and so forth.

I replied 'OK, that's fine, but what do I do the next time I come to the airport, because I don't want to go through this again?'

See, the cyclist should have just kept his mouth shut instead of trying to be smart and ask how he would go about "next time".

That however, doesn't excuse what the cops did.

Basically I think both parties were idiots...but what the cops did was way worse than what the cyclist did.

Oh and him leaving when he was ordered to kneel was absolutely idiotic.

 

[Rabidwerewolf]

1. We don't know both sides of the story.

2. I think they were both wrong. The guy should have obeyed the officer when he was first stopped, but the officer lost his cool in my opinion and used excessive force.

3. Two golden rules when dealing with officers of the law: be nice to them and never, ever run away or walk away from them until they tell you are free to go on your merry way.

Originally posted by: BoberFettOr maybe there's just too many pigs with overinflated egos ready to use the weapons on their belts.

4. It isn't cool to cops and officers of the law "pigs." Most cops are good, and they do what they do for very little money. The bad ones, just like with any other type of profession or group, give the whole a bad rep. Now, if you did the research and were able to determine if the cop that first stopped this guy had a history of being abusive with his authority and using excessive force....then maybe, just maybe I could stomach you calling that one particular officer a "pig." Tell me what do you call the men and woman that rape and murder their fellow man?

5. Canai, there are dumb people that can be found in any group or profession. Cops aren't as a majority dumb. If they were, society would be in a hell of lot worse shape.

I know people can get PTSD from traumatic events, and I don't want to make light of what this guy has gone through...but....He is comparing his situation to that of a soldier whose experienced war?????!!!!! Give me a break. This guys a loon, and it sound like from reading his blogs and page that he is trying to make a polictical statement more than anything else.

I don't mind cyclists. I even like to ride myself, but I can't stand cyclists who think the laws of the land and road don't apply to them. Cyclists are supposed to observe the same laws as the other motorists on the road. If it says "no bicycling", you can't ride your bike there. Tough. I can't go riding my car down a trail that says pedestrian and/or cyclists only. I feel bad for the guy and what happened to him. However, I can't stand people who try to make a point by breaking the law, and then getting upset when they get in trouble and try to justify their actions. If he has rode his bike that route as much as he says, I bet he has seen the signs, but he has just ignored them. He finally got caught. The officer was originally going to let him off the hook, but he got pissed for getting caught and tried to argue his way out it. Like when you get a speeding ticket. If you are speeding and get stopped, accept the dang ticket. Don't try to argue your way out it.

*breathe, breathe....* Ok, off my soap box. Going to go get a beer.

edit: fixed italics

 

[sygyzy]

Originally posted by: tagej
Depending on the details of the story (there's always another side to everything), this would make for a nice suit. Certain things can be easily proven --- for example, was there a sign prohibiting the use of bicycles or not. The audio/video from the patrol cars could be used to determine if the man made any aggressive moves, and if tasing him could be warranted. If not, look for a hefty payday.

What part of them not handing over any data, putting up new signs to cover their asses (without the airport's permission or knowledge), falsifying police reports, etc, did you miss?

 

[SoundTheSurrender]

Another reason to hate cops.

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: swtethan

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: LS20

Originally posted by: Viper GTS


Yup had he started out by complying with their initial request the whole situation would have been much different.

It sounds like they likely over-reacted, but he was being an obnoxious little sh!t. If you don't go into a police encounter with a gigantic chip on your shoulder you probably won't have any issues.

Viper GTS

being obnoxious warrants being beat, assaulted, and thrown in jail?

good thing to know

no but trying to flee (wich is what he did) does.

the cops were talking to him telling him he is breaking the laws (rideing the wrong way on a one way is against the law) the then says ok thanks and hops on his bike and try's to take off. they yank him off his bike.

Um, how was he attempting to flee? He was not under arrest. He was not being detained. What, exactly, was he fleeing from?

Yeah you are right! all those guys that "ran" from the cop when being pulled over shouldnt have got in trouble! they were not under arrest! pfft how silly of me.

yep

1. he got in trouble
2. he was given an order to not break law
3. broke law again

1) He was not breaking any laws. If there were no visible signs (and there were not apparently), the law does not apply.
2) The officer lied and said he assaulted him
3) Tasering him was completely uneccesary

 

[FallenHero]

Originally posted by: LS20

Originally posted by: waggy

no but trying to flee (wich is what he did) does.

the cops were talking to him telling him he is breaking the laws (rideing the wrong way on a one way is against the law) the then says ok thanks and hops on his bike and try's to take off. they yank him off his bike.

violation of the law = citation
flee / avoiding arrest = put under restrain

tasering >>>> putting under restrain

this is like the kid in the library redux. taser = substitute for a gun. taser != next escalation level after citation

In some departments, the taser is the next step...sometimes its right above verbal orders. Oh, and Taser is not a substitute for a gun. Its another tool which can save lives and injuries.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: NuroMancer

Originally posted by: LS20

Originally posted by: NuroMancer
A) Perhaps they did? Perhaps they yelled stop? Either way, he shouldn't have ridden off.

B) The Bicyclist doesn't need to be in a "state of arrest" for him to follow the law... and listen to a peace officer...

C) I've seen cases where a Taser has been used to subdue a particularly fiesty person.

A) you're going outside the bounds of the story. we're arguing the justification of the police's action as applied to story as-told
B) going in circles again. he was not being arrested as he rode away. thats all thats relevant.
C) sure. ive seen a 2-headed snake in a zoo. but thats neither here or there.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think there was a need for a tazer.

If I get pulled over for irratic driving, I can't tell the officer that I didn't break any traffic laws so piss off and then drive away....

The cyclist had no right to get back on his bike and take off.

That in turn does not excuse the use of a taser, especially when there were two officers to one cyclist. I can see them yanking him off his bike, but not tazering.

If the person broke no law, he should have every right to leave and if the police try and stop him he should have every right to resist arrest.

 

[QueBert]

he was on a BIKE! and since he was a Hippie this obviously wouldn't be your Tour De France level bicycle. How does a hippie on a crummy 10 speed "flee" from police? You'd have a hard time fleeing on a top of the line cycle. Dude might have been the biggest asshat in the world, but Police don't have the right to taser you simply because you're an asshat, deal with it! Also, "fleeing" on a bike is a joke, they could have caught him before he sped off on his 1972 beach cruiser. I guess it was just more fun to Taser him.

I'm supposed to trust cop and what they do as the absolute law, why though? If a random stranger comes up to my door I don't have to open it, but a cop does it law comes into effect, the cop's still a stranger to me. I don't care if only 2% of cops are bad. With the power they have that's enough to make me question their authority because it could end with bad sh!t happening to me.

 

[SirStev0]

in the post 911 world..

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: SirStev0
in the post 911 world..

Cyclists=Terrorists? 😀

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Rabidwerewolf

Originally posted by: BoberFettOr maybe there's just too many pigs with overinflated egos ready to use the weapons on their belts.

4. It isn't cool to cops and officers of the law "pigs." Most cops are good, and they do what they do for very little money. The bad ones, just like with any other type of profession or group, give the whole a bad rep. Now, if you did the research and were able to determine if the cop that first stopped this guy had a history of being abusive with his authority and using excessive force....then maybe, just maybe I could stomach you calling that one particular officer a "pig." Tell me what do you call the men and woman that rape and murder their fellow man?

Rapists and murderers are rapists and murderers. What else should I call them? Pigs are pigs when they abuse their power, which is far too frequently.

 

[beer]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: beer
As clear as it is, I am noentheless of suspicious of all claims made by bicylists, especially given the militancy of organizations like the Midnight Riders/Critical Mass (ESPECIALLY) etc. When bicylists allow organizations like CM to flourish, they get this rep. I have no doubt in my mind there's probably another side to this story, which doesn't justify the treatment at all but at least puts it into context.

I wish SF would crack down on riders more, especially on CM Fridays.

Yes, some guy cut me off on the freeway yesterday, so clearly all car drivers are inconsiderate. They were driving an SUV, too, so all SUVs are obviously unsafe and should be illegal.

Ignore Beer. I think he has a bottom bracket up his ass.

I'm supposed to care about what someone from the UK thinks about bike coalitions in American cities?

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: antillean
As an American, or as a citizen of the free world, you should be outraged by police brutality. If you aren't, something is wrong. This guy needs to sue, not post angry blogs.

I'd like to sue the drama police for letting you walk free. Please.

If anything your argument supports what I'm saying. In REAL cases of police brutality, there is a suit. This guy, mystifyingly, chose instead to tell a story on the Internet and enflame emotions.

I love his use of the term "cycling civil rights". LOL. Stop making cyclists drink from different drinking fountains and sit on the back of the bus.

 

[Rabidwerewolf]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Rabidwerewolf

Originally posted by: BoberFettOr maybe there's just too many pigs with overinflated egos ready to use the weapons on their belts.

4. It isn't cool to cops and officers of the law "pigs." Most cops are good, and they do what they do for very little money. The bad ones, just like with any other type of profession or group, give the whole a bad rep. Now, if you did the research and were able to determine if the cop that first stopped this guy had a history of being abusive with his authority and using excessive force....then maybe, just maybe I could stomach you calling that one particular officer a "pig." Tell me what do you call the men and woman that rape and murder their fellow man?

Rapists and murderers are rapists and murderers. What else should I call them? Pigs are pigs when they abuse their power, which is far too frequently.

I agree if someone is abusing power they've been given that they are rotten, stinking sobs, but one should not generalize a whole group because of a few bad apples. There are far more politicians that abuse their power over cops. I see far more regular Joe Blows who abuse their rights as free citizens to commit crimes, and I see a lot more lawyers who abuse tiny loop holes in the law to wriggle their criminal they are defending from justice. I don't agree that what the cop did is right, but we still don't know both sides of the story and just because of that cop's actions that doesn't make the other men and women that wear a badge "pigs." Should the cop be investigated, yes. Should the other cops with him be questioned, yes. If he is found guilty of excessive force, should he then be terminated and not be allowed to be an officer of the law at any level in any state, heck yea.

There are going to be people who do bad things no matter what their profession that are willing to abuse their power for their on gain or because they believe they have a right too. At other times, it is because we as humans are emotional beings and all of loose are cool at times. All human beings have the ability to do good or bad. Its been that way since we started organizing in groups for food and protection back before we figured out how to use fire or invent the wheel. That doesn't make the whole bad though. Does that make the cop right in the force he used. No, not in my opinion. It is a shame, and I already see it happening, that the "good" cops will start getting harassed next time they stop a cyclists who is breaking a law. I wonder how many will quit because they are tired of putting up with the bs for just doing their jobs for little money considering they put their lives on the line everyday. One day there might only be "bad" cops or cops that aren't qualified because of crap like this.

sorry for taking the thread off on a tangent.

 

[FallenHero]

Originally posted by: Rabidwerewolf

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Rabidwerewolf

Originally posted by: BoberFettOr maybe there's just too many pigs with overinflated egos ready to use the weapons on their belts.

4. It isn't cool to cops and officers of the law "pigs." Most cops are good, and they do what they do for very little money. The bad ones, just like with any other type of profession or group, give the whole a bad rep. Now, if you did the research and were able to determine if the cop that first stopped this guy had a history of being abusive with his authority and using excessive force....then maybe, just maybe I could stomach you calling that one particular officer a "pig." Tell me what do you call the men and woman that rape and murder their fellow man?

Rapists and murderers are rapists and murderers. What else should I call them? Pigs are pigs when they abuse their power, which is far too frequently.

I agree if someone is abusing power they've been given that they are rotten, stinking sobs, but one should not generalize a whole group because of a few bad apples. There are far more politicians that abuse their power over cops. I see far more regular Joe Blows who abuse their rights as free citizens to commit crimes, and I see a lot more lawyers who abuse tiny loop holes in the law to wriggle their criminal they are defending from justice. I don't agree that what the cop did is right, but we still don't know both sides of the story and just because of that cop's actions that doesn't make the other men and women that wear a badge "pigs." Should the cop be investigated, yes. Should the other cops with him be questioned, yes. If he is found guilty of excessive force, should he then be terminated and not be allowed to be an officer of the law at any level in any state, heck yea.

There are going to be people who do bad things no matter what their profession that are willing to abuse their power for their on gain or because they believe they have a right too. At other times, it is because we as humans are emotional beings and all of loose are cool at times. All human beings have the ability to do good or bad. Its been that way since we started organizing in groups for food and protection back before we figured out how to use fire or invent the wheel. That doesn't make the whole bad though. Does that make the cop right in the force he used. No, not in my opinion. It is a shame, and I already see it happening, that the "good" cops will start getting harassed next time they stop a cyclists who is breaking a law. I wonder how many will quit because they are tired of putting up with the bs for just doing their jobs for little money considering they put their lives on the line everyday. One day there might only be "bad" cops or cops that aren't qualified because of crap like this.

sorry for taking the thread off on a tangent.

Your point of view will be quickly squashed by the cop haters in ATOT. They usually outnumber the people who use their brains. They merely beat us through attrition and stupidity.

 

[Cdubneeddeal]

I agree that the officers may have been a little too excessive, however, I think the guy is a whiny bastard. After looking at the video of the route he was going to take, I agree with the officers, it's much too dangerous for a bicyclist to use. I believe that the guy was being belligerent and uncooperative. I don't think he's telling the full story.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: FallenHero
They usually outnumber the people who use their brains.

That group obviously doesn't include you. Go play in traffic.