Police takedown of woman for speeding

[dank69]

Police are taught that when doing a traffic stop that if the person gets out of their vehicle to tell them to get back in the vehicle. He told her to get back in the vehicle. I went back to listen to the video to hear exactly how he told her, but it appears Huff Post doesn't have the full video now. I don't think he was rude or mean in any way when he first told her, but if someone can post what he said, it would be appreciated.

So what should he have told her to do?

As I said, I don't even agree with giving that order in the first place, but since he did, the next step would be calmly explaining why police would really like people to remain in their cars. Calmly explain how his job is dangerous and he is just asking her for his own safety.

 

[The Merg]

As I said, I don't even agree with giving that order in the first place, but since he did, the next step would be calmly explaining why police would really like people to remain in their cars. Calmly explain how his job is dangerous and he is just asking her for his own safety.

That's what I'm asking though. If he should have not given the order to her to get back in the vehicle, what should he have said/done?


- Merg

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[PJFrylar]

Police are taught that when doing a traffic stop that if the person gets out of their vehicle to tell them to get back in the vehicle. He told her to get back in the vehicle. I went back to listen to the video to hear exactly how he told her, but it appears Huff Post doesn't have the full video now. I don't think he was rude or mean in any way when he first told her, but if someone can post what he said, it would be appreciated.

So what should he have told her to do?

Quoting from a post earlier in this thread...

“Okay ma’am, stand up for me,” Richter says, placing King’s license on top of her car and reaching inside after her.

“No, why are you grabbing me?” she shouts. “Oh my god.”

“Stop resisting,” the officer says multiple times as a struggle ensues — barely visible on the video — in the doorway of the car. At one point, the car horn blares as they tussle.

The officer then takes a step back and orders to “get out of the car,” before calling for backup.

“I’m getting out,” she says. “Let me get out. Do not touch me.”

“Don’t touch me,” she says again as the cop reaches inside and grabs her.

A) Could have just completed the stop in the first place, since he had to put down her license to grab her. She might have been rude, but it isn't like she was refusing to hand over her license.

B) When she said that she was getting out, he could have let her do it being that is what he wanted.

 

[dank69]

That's what I'm asking though. If he should have not given the order to her to get back in the vehicle, what should he have said/done?


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Just proceed with the stop while she was outside of the car or sitting half in or whatever. After he was done he could nicely explain why it is better for her to remain in her car the next time because officers have a dangerous job and getting out of the car can be interpreted as a threatening gesture.

 

[MrA79]

Police are taught that when doing a traffic stop that if the person gets out of their vehicle to tell them to get back in the vehicle. He told her to get back in the vehicle. I went back to listen to the video to hear exactly how he told her, but it appears Huff Post doesn't have the full video now. I don't think he was rude or mean in any way when he first told her, but if someone can post what he said, it would be appreciated.

So what should he have told her to do?

They'll be conveniently missing anything that doesn't support their narrative.

 

[MrA79]

As I said, I don't even agree with giving that order in the first place, but since he did, the next step would be calmly explaining why police would really like people to remain in their cars. Calmly explain how his job is dangerous and he is just asking her for his own safety.

Just to be completely clear - you do understand that it doesn't matter at all whether you agree with it or not. If you're not the DA or Commissioner, you don't get to tell cops how to do their jobs.

 

[PokerGuy]

Just proceed with the stop while she was outside of the car or sitting half in or whatever.

If protocol is to have her be in the car to proceed, then he needs to follow protocol. It's there for his safety and hers. If she refuses to follow the lawful orders, then he proceeds to use force to make her comply. That's what appears to have happened here.

After he was done he could nicely explain why it is better for her to remain in her car the next time because officers have a dangerous job and getting out of the car can be interpreted as a threatening gesture.

The problem with "after he was done" is that you don't know in advance which stops are going to be normal and which ones are going to go south. That's why you follow protocol on all of them.

The use of force in this case seems very much justified. I have a problem with the cop's racist comments justifying behavior/actions, that should not be acceptable.

 

[PJFrylar]

Just to be completely clear - you do understand that it doesn't matter at all whether you agree with it or not. If you're not the DA or Commissioner, you don't get to tell cops how to do their jobs.

You're right, it doesn't matter what we think but...

Those who decided to drop the charges and discipline the officers seemed to think that wasn't the way to do the job. The chief who issued an apology and said that's not the way to do the job seems to think the officers didn't handle this to his expectations.

 

[dank69]

Just to be completely clear - you do understand that it doesn't matter at all whether you agree with it or not. If you're not the DA or Commissioner, you don't get to tell cops how to do their jobs.

Yes I understand all I can do is voice my opinion on a message board. And you can voice yours in support of cops treating all citizens like enemy combatants the second they don't kiss ass.

 

[Svnla]

Yup, be a good little bitch and bend the fuck over for your masters. Never mind that it's probably more likely that a black person will be shot by the cop even while being compliant than it is that the black person will shoot or harm the officer.

LOL. Are you that clueless and ignorant? Since when keep your mouth shut and talk as little as possible = be a good little bitch and bend the fuck over as you claimed?

What I said earlier was not from anyone but from real trial lawyers but of course what do they know about law right?

Exhibit #1 of what to do if you being stopped by a cop -

Let the officer do most of the talking. Don't interrupt, don't be argumentative, and don't say anything that the officer can record and use against you.

http://traffic.findlaw.com/traffic-stops/what-to-do-during-traffic-stops.html

BTW, did I mention in my post anything about color or race? Nope, nada, zip, nothing. You did.

Carry on your narrative, carry on.

 

[dank69]

If protocol is to have her be in the car to proceed, then he needs to follow protocol. It's there for his safety and hers. If she refuses to follow the lawful orders, then he proceeds to use force to make her comply. That's what appears to have happened here.



The problem with "after he was done" is that you don't know in advance which stops are going to be normal and which ones are going to go south. That's why you follow protocol on all of them.

The use of force in this case seems very much justified. I have a problem with the cop's racist comments justifying behavior/actions, that should not be acceptable.

Yet cops don't follow that protocol 100%. People would be getting suplexed on the highway every day if they did. Cops often treat citizens with respect even when they are behaving badly.

 

[dank69]

LOL. Are you that clueless and ignorant? Since when keep your mouth shut = bend the fuck over as you claimed?

What I said earlier was not from anyone but from real lawyers but of course what do they know about law right?

BTW, did I mention in my post anything about color or race? Nope, nada, zip, nothing. You did.

Carry on your narrative, carry on.

If being rude to a cop or not following his orders exactly is justification for violent force then yes, we are second class citizens. I brought up race because black people have been shot even when they are following orders.

 

[Ackmed]

So have white people, and different colors of people. It's not just a black thing. People like you always want to infer race when not needed, and acting like it's a black only issue.

 

[Svnla]

If being rude to a cop or not following his orders exactly is justification for violent force then yes, we are second class citizens. I brought up race because black people have been shot even when they are following orders.

See my edit above with a link from someone who knows a thing or two about traffic law. See this important tidbit of "don't say anything that the officer can record and use against you"? It has nothing to do of being a bitch or bend over. It is about being smart and not being discriminate against yourself.

Here is another one-

You should generally let the officer do the talking, responding where appropriate....It can be tough to know exactly what to say to an officer’s queries, but whatever you do, you shouldn’t argue. And you should know that you have a right to remain silent,

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/police-stops-when-pulled-over-30186.html

I can cite more links with video if need be.

You want to argue and fight with cops and show them who is the boss? Go ahead.

 

[dank69]

So have white people, and different colors of people. It's not just a black thing. People like you always want to infer race when not needed, and acting like it's a black only issue.

Well the cop in this instance admitted it was a black only issue, so...

 

[emperus]

So have white people, and different colors of people. It's not just a black thing. People like you always want to infer race when not needed, and acting like it's a black only issue.

Reading may be hard for someone like yourself, but this particular story has a video attached. Maybe you should watch it before your continue on your campaign to make sure white lives matter equally.

 

[dank69]

See my edit above with a link from someone who knows a thing or two about traffic law. See this important tidbit of "don't say anything that the officer can record and use against you"? It has nothing to do of being a bitch or bend over. It is about being smart.

You want to argue and fight with cops and show them who is the boss? Go ahead.

I can cite more links with video if need be.

There is a big difference between arguing and fighting. All I am saying is that arguing or being rude to a cop should not be an excuse for the cop to beat the shit out of people. We don't get to beat the shit out of people for being rude to us. Why do they? How is that acceptable?

I am well aware of advice like the link you posted. I follow it myself when I get pulled over, not because I am kissing ass, but because I know I fucked up and if I am polite there is a better chance I will just get a warning, which happens to me all the time, btw. I've gotten more warnings than tickets in my life.

 

[Iron Woode]

It didn't start off as a "Hulk smash". He told her multiple times what to do and she didn't comply. He went to take her out of the car and she resisted. He pulled her out and told her to get on the ground and she didn't so he put here there. He told her to put her hands behind her back and instead she tried to get back up.

The force the officer used would have stopped at any time that she complied with what she was being told to do.

stop using common sense here.

you will be vilified by lefty trolls here who rail against any authority no matter what.

 

[PJFrylar]

Well the cop in this instance admitted it was a black only issue, so...

To be fair it was a separate officer who made the racial comments.

 

[Subyman]

Just because they CAN do something, doesn't mean it is RIGHT to do that thing.

Fucking thank you! There is a huge difference between being a by the book asshat and actually giving citizens respect. He gave her all of a few seconds to "comply" before assaulting her. What's wrong with talking to people instead of instantly throwing down?

 

[Svnla]

There is a big difference between arguing and fighting. All I am saying is that arguing or being rude to a cop should not be an excuse for the cop to beat the shit out of people. We don't get to beat the shit out of people for being rude to us. Why do they? How is that acceptable?

I am well aware of advice like the link you posted. I follow it myself when I get pulled over, not because I am kissing ass, but because I know I fucked up and if I am polite there is a better chance I will just get a warning, which happens to me all the time, btw. I've gotten more warnings than tickets in my life.

Did you see my links above about not arguing with cop? It has nothing of being a bitch or bend over to the master as you claimed. You do NOT give cop any excuses. That's being smart. Just to be clear, when I said "fight" in this thread - as in verbal fight, NOT physical fight.

If you want to argue/debate about how cops should not do this or do that with rude/argument people, then you need to contact a lawyer,the police chief/the major/the DA/the power that be. I am the last person to say violence is the solution of anything.

One of the lawyers told me that there is a place and time to fight and argue (in court) and there is NOT a place and time to fight and argue (at a traffic stop/on the street). The bottom line is if you show this video to any defense lawyer and ask them if it was the correct thing to do as a motorist at a traffic stop, they would say no. That's my point.

 

[Iron Woode]

She wasn't under arrest, stupid.

hey, there is no need for that.

he gave her an order to get out of the vehicle and she refused. that's resisting.

They have no problems doing it with white people.

really?

I have been harassed by police many times. what was my crime? being in my early 20's and having long rocker hair. I got pulled over at least once a week. I don't commit crimes or drink and drive. I don't do drugs. Yet I have been accused of all of these. I was detained for a hour because I refused to consent to a search of my car. I was threatened with arrest. I asserted my rights but didn't get mouthy with the police.

 

[Iron Woode]

Did you see my links above about not arguing with cop? It has nothing of being a bitch or bend over to the master as you claimed. You do NOT give cop any excuses. That's being smart. Just to be clear, when I said "fight" in this thread - as in verbal fight, NOT physical fight.

If you want to argue/debate about how cops should not do this or do that with rude/argument people, then you need to contact the police chief/the major/the DA/the power that be. I am the last person to say violence is the solution of anything.

One of the lawyers told me that there is a place and time to fight and argue (in court) and there is NOT a place and time to fight and argue (at a traffic stop/on the street).

this.

and this video should be a must see for everyone:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8

some very good tips.

 

[HumblePie]

Just because they CAN do something, doesn't mean it is RIGHT to do that thing.

This is correct.

Can you be more specific as to what part of my post to which you are referring?

The rules of law that allow cops to use force and ask questions later for their actions, if questions are even asked, is the problem.

There was no need for the officer to issue commands as he did. The command issued were just to justify his ability to use force legally and he knew it. Cops need to be set to a higher standard of accountability and actions because they can use force legally in ways the average person cannot.

So while the actions (not his attitude) are perfectly legal, the fact that the law allows him to make those actions like that in this situation are wrong. They need to be tweaked.

A good officer would have recognized the person was being a douche bag and wouldn't have risen to the bait. This cop was looking forward to taking the person's bait for action and baiting the person himself so he could legally use force in that situation. All because he was a racist prick.

What needs to happen is nation wide implementation of body and dash cams on at all times. Massive reprimands when they are not. Deferment in cases against the police when cameras are somehow off or "dropped" when incidents like this arise. Reviews of all uses of force taken by any officers and proper reprimands when they are out of line. An emphasis on deescalating scenarios should be the primary focus with cops being rewarded for successfully doing so and punished when not. Currently there is no accountability for this and cops know it.

 

[Ackmed]

Well the cop in this instance admitted it was a black only issue, so...

You obviously didn't catch that I was replying to your reply, in which you replied to someone stating he didn't talk about race, then you brought it up.

Reading may be hard for someone like yourself, but this particular story has a video attached. Maybe you should watch it before your continue on your campaign to make sure white lives matter equally.

Someone like myself? Meaning what exactly? Dont be shy, do tell. Look up for the answer to why I said what I did. I know this video has a video. The posters comment is what I was replying to, reason I quoted it. My post had nothing white lives mattering equally. It was simply stating that people of every color get shot. Which I actually stated, not just white.