Police Stop, Handcuff Every Adult at Intersection in Search for Bank Robber

[SillyOReilly]

So what? So do I. How many have you interacted with? 1,000 different officers? More? 5,000? How many different areas? Even at 5,000 that's less than 1/2 of 1% of the number of police officers in the US. I'm sorry but get over yourself - you do not have the qualifications to generalize the entire police force

This is a post on anandtech off topic.

He doesn't need what you require of him.

Learn what context means before posting something like this again.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

i wonder how many of those detained have been the victims of theft with absolutely zero resolution from the police. rob a bank, however, and they find their man.

 

[Exterous]

This is a post on anandtech off topic.

He doesn't need what you require of him.

Learn what context means before posting something like this again.

Odd - if this is Off Topic and he doesn't need what I require of him then why do I need the 'context' you require of me? Maybe you should think before posting like this again.

You may think the context of Off topic means people can make incredibly stupid and unsupported generalizations without being called out on it but that is not always going to be the case

 

[gevorg]

just repeal the fourth amendment already, the founding fathers are spinning...

 

[SpatiallyAware]

So what? So do I. How many have you interacted with? 1,000 different officers? More? 5,000? How many different areas? Even at 5,000 that's less than 1/2 of 1% of the number of police officers in the US. I'm sorry but get over yourself - you do not have the qualifications to generalize the entire police force

Um what, lol.

What qualifications do I need in order to say that the vast majority of officers that I've interacted with (both during traffic stops and other situations) make it abundantly clear that most have major issues. It's glaringly obvious. No, this doesn't mean it's ok to 'paint' all officers that way, but that's not what I am doing (nor am I suggesting for anyone to do so)


I do think that considering their current role in society it's important to be acutely aware of the implications of "working with" a LEO (IE consenting to searches and etc)

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

All just tests to find out just how far up the ass American's are willing to take an authoritarian leadership and police force for when shit really hits the fan.

It's because people are being taught to follow and be sheep. The instinct to lead and stand up for your rights is being removed slowly through social engineering.

You're free to not consent to a search, but they can and often will still perform the search based on reasonable suspicion. You should not try to prevent them from searching, or give them a hard time about it, as that will get you arrested. It's up to the court to decide if they actually had reasonable suspicion to perform the search without your consent. I don't believe a court would find that reasonable suspicion applies to every car on the road in this case. A lower court may, but I think an appellate court would overrule.

I don't think any court will uphold the police searching every car/person in an area. It's lazy police work.

Why?

I'd always consent to a search, no point making the officers job more difficult.

This doesn't suprise anyone.

I like the mention that the robber had 2 "high powered hand guns". He had a Glock and Smith and Wesson M&P. hardly high powered. But that is the Denver area. I'm shocked they weren't called AK47's

 

[SMOGZINN]

If you rally at least five hundred thousand people to show police or anyone else that's abusing American citizens who's boss, give me a call. I will join you. Otherwise, please be quiet.

You name has been added to the dissident and possible domestic terrorist list. We will inform you when we get the re-education camps up and running. We will expect you to QUIETLY and OBEDIENTLY report to your local camp for thought re-alignment.

 

[OutHouse]

hardly high powered. But that is the Denver area. I'm shocked they weren't called AK47's

colorado has pretty liberal gun laws. so whats your point?

 

[jagec]

So what? So do I. How many have you interacted with? 1,000 different officers? More? 5,000? How many different areas? Even at 5,000 that's less than 1/2 of 1% of the number of police officers in the US. I'm sorry but get over yourself - you do not have the qualifications to generalize the entire police force

If it was a representative sampling, that's more than enough.

 

[Exterous]

If it was a representative sampling, that's more than enough.

I highly doubt it was a legitimate representative sampling but if he can prove it was I will admit I was wrong 😛

 

[Exterous]

What qualifications do I need in order to say that the vast majority of officers that I've interacted with (both during traffic stops and other situations) make it abundantly clear that most have major issues. It's glaringly obvious. No, this doesn't mean it's ok to 'paint' all officers that way, but that's not what I am doing (nor am I suggesting for anyone to do so)

I never said 'all' I take issue with your 'overwhelming majority'

 

[xanis]

I don't know why we continue to try and explain this to you because you obviously have absolutely no concept of liberty. But the mere fact that you are detained, restrained and searched without cause, without a warrant is unto itself a violation of liberty. I don't care how much time is saves the police. Liberty should always trump convenience. Why the fuck do you think we fought you assholes? Your king and parliament had no concept of liberty in 1775 and to this day, still does not.

Yes. <3

 

[olds]

The problem though is that if you don't consent to the search you'll probably end up wasting an entire day down at the station. I doubt they would just let you walk away if you told them to fuck off.

I'd rather just get searched and be on my way if I had something I had to do.

Good little commrade that your are. Now show me your papers!

 

[Nintendesert]

colorado has pretty liberal gun laws. so whats your point?

It's more a commentary on the media and the fear tactics of calling those guns "high powered"

 

[SillyOReilly]

Odd - if this is Off Topic and he doesn't need what I require of him then why do I need the 'context' you require of me? Maybe you should think before posting like this again.

You may think the context of Off topic means people can make incredibly stupid and unsupported generalizations without being called out on it but that is not always going to be the case

You are asking for qualifications, which is ridiculous.

You are ridiculous, stop inflicting us with your idiotic assertions.

 

[sygyzy]

That is a best case scenario.

A buddy of mine (white collar business guy in button up shirt) refused to consent to a search, was put in the back of the cop car, other cops showed up, 1-2 hours later he was let go after they called in a dog who scratched his hood and dented a fender.


The fact is, we live in a police state. They have unquestionable power and it's rare to see repercussions when they do something wrong. There's essentially no accountability for police officers.

I agree. Even if I am entirely within my rights to refuse to a search, and I have not committed any crimes, and I have nothing to hide, it just doesn't make sense to refuse. I hate it but that's the reality we live in.

 

[SillyOReilly]

I agree. Even if I am entirely within my rights to refuse to a search, and I have not committed any crimes, and I have nothing to hide, it just doesn't make sense to refuse. I hate it but that's the reality we live in.

You're just one of the little pansies on this board with no sense of self-worth and will submit to a full cavity search since you've done nothing wrong and have nothing to hide. 😉

 

[Nintendesert]

I agree. Even if I am entirely within my rights to refuse to a search, and I have not committed any crimes, and I have nothing to hide, it just doesn't make sense to refuse. I hate it but that's the reality we live in.

And you're a chickenshit. :thumbsdown:

 

[sygyzy]

Wow, really guys? That's your response?

 

[SMOGZINN]

I agree. Even if I am entirely within my rights to refuse to a search, and I have not committed any crimes, and I have nothing to hide, it just doesn't make sense to refuse. I hate it but that's the reality we live in.

Put under enough scrutiny everyone has something to hide. The question is where do you draw the line, and will you be able to when you finally reach that point or will you have already given up to much freedom?

 

[Ninjahedge]

The nature of law enforcement has shifted from "Protect and Serve" to "Watch and harass".

I am not saying that cops jobs are easy, but the nature of humanity is to obtain power, use it, and generally make ones life easier.

So if a cop comes up to you on a side street at night, smacks you around and puts the cuffs on you, if there is nobody around to contest it HE can say "resisting arrest and disorderly conduct" and get no question from the courts.

Unless you spend a couple thousand on a lawyer, in which case you will have a CHANCE of getting a reduced sentence.

Law is difficult, and so is law enforcement. There is a reason that cops can retire after 25 years. It is mainly because it is difficult to keep up and stay true. Unfortunately we seemed to have lost that along the line somewhere.

 

[BoberFett]

I am a big pussy.

You could have saved yourself a lot of typing.

 

[Linflas]

The nature of law enforcement has shifted from "Protect and Serve" to "Watch and harass".

I am not saying that cops jobs are easy, but the nature of humanity is to obtain power, use it, and generally make ones life easier.

So if a cop comes up to you on a side street at night, smacks you around and puts the cuffs on you, if there is nobody around to contest it HE can say "resisting arrest and disorderly conduct" and get no question from the courts.

Unless you spend a couple thousand on a lawyer, in which case you will have a CHANCE of getting a reduced sentence.

Law is difficult, and so is law enforcement. There is a reason that cops can retire after 25 years. It is mainly because it is difficult to keep up and stay true. Unfortunately we seemed to have lost that along the line somewhere.

When the looter is the government

“Equitable sharing” — the consensual splitting of ill-gotten loot by the looters — reeks of the moral hazard that exists in situations in which incentives are for perverse behavior. To see where this leads, read IJ’s scalding report “Policing for Profit: The Abuse of Civil Asset Forfeiture” (http://******/aYME1), a sickening litany of law enforcement agencies padding their budgets and financing boondoggles by, for example, smelling, or imagining to smell, or pretending to smell, marijuana in cars they covet.

None of this is surprising to Madisonians, which all sensible Americans are. James Madison warned (in Federalist 48) that government power “is of an encroaching nature.” If unresisted, it produces iniquitous sharing of other people’s property.

 

[alkemyst]

I never have anything incriminating in my car, and I'm never consenting to a search.

same here. I don't care if it costs me time and the possibility of arrest. It's the right thing to do.

 

[dmcowen674]

Police Stop, Handcuff Every Adult at Intersection in Search for Bank Robber

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The ends justify the means....

The worse part is that they all submitted to searches.

Too bad they were released, they should have been sent to Gitmo until they died.