Police roadblocks to remove unlicensed drivers challenged in court

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Darthvoy

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: marincounty
That's why I'm in favor of drivers licenses for illegals. Then at least we have a name and a fingerprint if something happens, and the illegal can purchase insurance.
As it is now you are basically forcing them to drive illegally without insurance.
There is no great federal program to remove the illegals, so if they are staying, at least give them the means to obey some of our laws.
Of course Ahnold, in his great wisdom, vetoed a bill to do this and promised a solution that has naturally never appeared.

Lets see you go to ANY country, with no visa, no passport, no nothing and apply for a DL.

Good luck with that. You are proposing LEGAL documents for ILLEGAL people. The whole "theyre here anyway might as well integrate em" is bullshit

Whether you like it or not they are here to stay. You want to keep them in the shadows so that when one of them commits a crime they will be untraceable? As much you hate the idea, at one point, you have to accept reality and realize that what you want is never going to happen. Why not just close the border down and ask those that already here if they want to become Americans, or if they only want to be here to work and return to their native countries once they are done? And, provide them the means to do it legally that way they can get licenses and insurance.

To some extent I agree; however, to grant amnesty, withOUT closing the border, is what is so unacceptable. I wouldnt have much of a problem with some kind of amnesty if the bleeding was stopped. Reagon tried the amnesty route...look how that turned out. Now we're talking about giving even MORE rights to illegals. At the expense of YOUR tax dollars. Maybe you are A-OK with that. Frankly it pisses me off.

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: marincounty
That's why I'm in favor of drivers licenses for illegals. Then at least we have a name and a fingerprint if something happens, and the illegal can purchase insurance.
As it is now you are basically forcing them to drive illegally without insurance.
There is no great federal program to remove the illegals, so if they are staying, at least give them the means to obey some of our laws.
Of course Ahnold, in his great wisdom, vetoed a bill to do this and promised a solution that has naturally never appeared.

Lets see you go to ANY country, with no visa, no passport, no nothing and apply for a DL.

Good luck with that. You are proposing LEGAL documents for ILLEGAL people. The whole "theyre here anyway might as well integrate em" is bullshit

Illegals could get drivers licenses here before Arnold. Then they could buy insurance.
I suppose you prefer the present system, where they are unlicensed and uninsured, so when they slam into your car, they just take off and you get stuck with the bill.
I am also not aware of ANY country that tolerates the presence of 12 million illegals.

Illegals are here, and the states have got to deal with them because the Feds refuse to act.

 

[Darthvoy]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Darthvoy

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: marincounty
That's why I'm in favor of drivers licenses for illegals. Then at least we have a name and a fingerprint if something happens, and the illegal can purchase insurance.
As it is now you are basically forcing them to drive illegally without insurance.
There is no great federal program to remove the illegals, so if they are staying, at least give them the means to obey some of our laws.
Of course Ahnold, in his great wisdom, vetoed a bill to do this and promised a solution that has naturally never appeared.

Lets see you go to ANY country, with no visa, no passport, no nothing and apply for a DL.

Good luck with that. You are proposing LEGAL documents for ILLEGAL people. The whole "theyre here anyway might as well integrate em" is bullshit

Whether you like it or not they are here to stay. You want to keep them in the shadows so that when one of them commits a crime they will be untraceable? As much you hate the idea, at one point, you have to accept reality and realize that what you want is never going to happen. Why not just close the border down and ask those that already here if they want to become Americans, or if they only want to be here to work and return to their native countries once they are done? And, provide them the means to do it legally that way they can get licenses and insurance.

To some extent I agree; however, to grant amnesty, withOUT closing the border, is what is so unacceptable. I wouldnt have much of a problem with some kind of amnesty if the bleeding was stopped. Reagon tried the amnesty route...look how that turned out. Now we're talking about giving even MORE rights to illegals. At the expense of YOUR tax dollars. Maybe you are A-OK with that. Frankly it pisses me off.

I completely agree with you, but the mistake Reagan and now Bush is making is that to this day, the border is still not secured. It just boggles my mind to think that anybody can still pretty much just walk through the border.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Police road blocks to screen drivers is complete BS.

Yeah I hate catching criminals. :roll:

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Whining a lot isn't the key to bypassing the constitution. Impounding cars for that particular reason is an illegal seizure, as the 9th circuit court suggested. End of story. I agree that unlicensed or uninsured motorists should be off the highway, I don't think taking their cars is the only way to do it.

Bullshit. How in the world can a constitutional amendment of illegal search and seizure be illegal if the ones its aimed it...are here illegally? Gimme a break.

I'm not following your logic. If I shoot a guy in the head, and he turns out to be an illegal, is it murder?

Maybe I'm just reading you wrong.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: Fern

How is it unreasonable to stop motorists to check if they do in fact have a licenses? Is there another better way?

Why do they have to 'check'?

 

[Darthvoy]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: Fern

How is it unreasonable to stop motorists to check if they do in fact have a licenses? Is there another better way?

Why do they have to 'check'?

yup...what bothers me about road blocks is that you are presumed guilty and it is up to you to prove that you are not.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Darthvoy

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: Fern

How is it unreasonable to stop motorists to check if they do in fact have a licenses? Is there another better way?

Why do they have to 'check'?

yup...what bothers me about road blocks is that you are presumed guilty and it is up to you to prove that you are not.

All Americans must be arrested and "processed" visiting the jail system.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

You're still treating innocent people like criminals.

Couldn't the same be said for airport screening and security procedures...or how about when attending a concert or sporting event for which there is a security checkpoint to confiscate items not permitted in the venue...aren't these same procedures treating innocent people like criminals?

There are instances where public safety takes a priority over individual rights...while vehicles may be private property, roads are very much public and government owned resources...as such, the government has a vested interest to ensure that those operating on said roads are doing so with the necessary and binding requirements as dictated by the law.

I do not fear roadblocks...what I do fear are illegal drivers without insurance or driver's liscences who pose a danger to other motorists...I fear knuckleheads that get into a car and drive home after having a few too many drinks...hell, in SoCal, I can't tell you the number of times I have looked in my rearview mirror at a stop light and noticed a driver taking a bong hit.

I have no problem with the police utilizing roadblocks to protect motorists such as myself from those who are too irresponsible to operate a motor vehicle.

You know what, your house might be full of explosives, so even though it's your private property, maybe you're threatening others. Only way to be sure is to have regular inspections by certified JBTs.

Jeez, you people are way too willing to mortage your freedom for percieved safety.