Police paralyses a man for walking on the sidewalk

[Subyman]

Can we stop with all the phobias and just lump them all together into nonwhiteaphobia?

 

[Sunburn74]

I've actually begun to lay down and put my hands behind my back when I am in the vicinity of a cop.

If I am driving and see a cop, I pull over and remove the keys from the car, and place them on the roof, until I know I am not being targeted.

Simple precautions can prevent a lot of these unfortunate outcomes, yet ignorant people remain defiant, and end up getting hurt.

What a horrible police state you are describing where every interaction with a police officer should be laced with a mortal fear for life and limb.

 

[Jaskalas]

What a horrible police state you are describing where every interaction with a police officer should be laced with a mortal fear for life and limb.

America is Best Korea!

 

[Darwin333]

"He can't speak a lick of English"

Followed directly by

"I don't know why he wouldn't listen"

Seriously asshole?

 

[mizzou]

What a horrible police state you are describing where every interaction with a police officer should be laced with a mortal fear for life and limb.

99.99% of all police interactions with citizens do not result in excessive force. Why do you feel every police interaction is a chance to die?

 

[Subyman]

99.99% of all police interactions with citizens do not result in excessive force. Why do you feel every police interaction is a chance to die?

The latest This American Life episode (you can listen to it in podcast form on their website: http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/547/cops-see-it-differently-part-one) was really interesting. Both sides are examined. The thing they came away with is that its not that the police are ultra violent, its that interactions with police are unpredictable. One day you may get a great, nice cop, while the next you may get an ass hole. Its the unpredictability when making that call that instills doubt in the process. I think that is an issue with consistent training and policy.

 

[JEDIYoda]

99.99% of all police interactions with citizens do not result in excessive force. Why do you feel every police interaction is a chance to die?

You do realize what you just said??

So lets be clear -- anytime you are confronted by a cop for any reason it is a chance to die!! Simple reason -- The police are unpredictable!1 Just like the Police view us as unpredictable!!....they have the gun and you do not have any right at all to defend yourself! Even if the police are wrong!!

Are you that dense and still apologizing for the Police??

 

[mizzou]

You do realize what you just said??

So lets be clear -- anytime you are confronted by a cop for any reason it is a chance to die!! Simple reason....they have the gun and you do not have any right at all to defend yourself! Even if the police are wrong!!

Are you that dense and still apologizing for the Police??

What I'm saying is that people who say "OMG Every time I see a cop I'm going to die!" are paranoid for no reason. You have a higher chance of dying seeing an unknown person vs. seeing a cop. You also have a astronomically higher chance to die by another driver.

Feeding this paranoia will only get people hurt for no reason. It's like white people having an irrational fear of black people.

 

[Paul98]

99.99% of all police interactions with citizens do not result in excessive force. Why do you feel every police interaction is a chance to die?

99.99% of all police interactions with citizens result in death.


See I can make shit up also

 

[mizzou]

99.99% of all police interactions with citizens result in death.


See I can make shit up also

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/ccpuf.pdf

If the statistics within the last 5 years are statistically higher, I will admit I'm a fool.

"Using sustained force complaints as an indicator of excessive force results in an estimate of about 2,000 incidents of police use of excessive force among large agencies in 2002."

published 2006

So, maybe 1,000 or 2,000 news stories a year nationally about excessive force. That's well more then one or two a day. Yet it is a statistically tiny drop in the bucket


We need studies like this every year.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

You are so wrong...it makes my head spin. I just don't even know where to start. You have two paragraphs of complete and utter misguided perceptions, data, and feelings. Completely incorrect. I am pretty sure I can't show you the truth and change your mind, but I will show you the truth and maybe see how you react to it.

Around 600,000 police officers made 50,000,000 contacts made with citizens of the USA.
Around 300,000,000 people live in the USA.

Of the 50,000,000 contacts, there were 26,000 known complaints of excessive force. That is a 0.05% chance that your contact with a police officer will result in a complaint of excessive force.

Of that 0.05% chance, there is a 8% chance the allegations are even legit. That reduces your chance of all contacts to a .004%


So, statistically, there is a 99.996% chance you will not be the next "Eric Garner".


So please....in an extreme amount of detail ...explain to me why you want to justify the murder of police officers in reaction to this and other related news stories where citizens are injured/killed in circumstances that involve police.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/08/youre-nine-times-likely-killed-police-officer-terrorist.html


I am nine times more likely to be killed by a cop then a terrorist.

Hmmm..... we spend how many trillions on defending against terrorism, and invade multiple countries, but hey, don't wordy about all those cops that assault, abuse and kill people.


Oooooooookay. Lets not worry about police abuse. Great idea.

 

[mizzou]

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/08/youre-nine-times-likely-killed-police-officer-terrorist.html


I am nine times more likely to be killed by a cop then a terrorist.

Hmmm..... we spend how many trillions on defending against terrorism, and invade multiple countries, but hey, don't wordy about all those cops that assault, abuse and kill people.


Oooooooookay. Lets not worry about police abuse. Great idea.

yeah, because cops never kill the bad guys
...

nice comparison, as as many people practically die by brain eating ameobas as terrorists...that article only solidifiea tge rarity of leo invovved deaths

 

[Zorkorist]

What a horrible police state you are describing where every interaction with a police officer should be laced with a mortal fear for life and limb.

Interactions with the police begin, with "Papers, please."

As Government expands, so does the police force. As Government is granted greater powers, so is the police force.

This isn't a science fiction movie, but today. And with Government out of control, you have a Police Force out of control.

-John

 

[mizzou]

so if statistical insignificance is out of control....what level are things under control? so much paranoia going on here

 

[Zorkorist]

Scale down Government, and that will result in scaled down police forces.

-John

 

[Subyman]

Scale down Government, and that will result in scaled down police forces.

-John

And upscaling of criminals?

 

[Zorkorist]

To an extent, yes. They aren't all criminal masterminds.

-John

 

[Paul98]

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/ccpuf.pdf

If the statistics within the last 5 years are statistically higher, I will admit I'm a fool.

"Using sustained force complaints as an indicator of excessive force results in an estimate of about 2,000 incidents of police use of excessive force among large agencies in 2002."

published 2006

So, maybe 1,000 or 2,000 news stories a year nationally about excessive force. That's well more then one or two a day. Yet it is a statistically tiny drop in the bucket


We need studies like this every year.

You aren't helping your cause

 

[Darwin333]

You are so wrong...it makes my head spin. I just don't even know where to start. You have two paragraphs of complete and utter misguided perceptions, data, and feelings. Completely incorrect. I am pretty sure I can't show you the truth and change your mind, but I will show you the truth and maybe see how you react to it.

Around 600,000 police officers made 50,000,000 contacts made with citizens of the USA.
Around 300,000,000 people live in the USA.

Of the 50,000,000 contacts, there were 26,000 known complaints of excessive force. That is a 0.05% chance that your contact with a police officer will result in a complaint of excessive force.

Of that 0.05% chance, there is a 8% chance the allegations are even legit. That reduces your chance of all contacts to a .004%


So, statistically, there is a 99.996% chance you will not be the next "Eric Garner".


So please....in an extreme amount of detail ...explain to me why you want to justify the murder of police officers in reaction to this and other related news stories where citizens are injured/killed in circumstances that involve police.

First of all, those are there is a serious problem with people being intimidated into not filing reports but that's another topic.

The odds of you being killed by a terrorist in the US is probably the same or lower than your number. Yet we invade and bomb the shit out of entire nations over it.

 

[Darwin333]

I'll definitely follow this one. The investigation/charges will likely take a while. Having two officers present, him already handcuffed?, Although I'm only seeing a fixed viewpoint, I have a hard time imagining why a full take down was performed. I think police can do something like that if the person pulls away from them to run away, but I didn't get that sense at all by looking at the video.

Where he may really get fucked is if he had no reason to detain him to begin with. That may reallllly fuck the officer.

Certainly a lot could happen in this incident.

I don't care what the policy is. At this point it's about basic human compassion and no decent human being would think that body slamming that old man like that was an appropriate response.

Policy be damned, that brutal criminal should serve serious hard time.

 

[oobydoobydoo]

He is pulling a single statistic from a single study 12 years ago and then inferring that "sustained" means nothing. Sustained reports means that not only were there more than 2,000 reports of use force, there were 2000 specific cases where use of force was repeated two or more times!

There are no statistics that support the idea that cops aren't brutalizing citizens. His own study, old and irrelevant as it may be, contradicts his whole argument. I would guess than more than 95% percent of people who are victims of police brutality don't file a single report, out of fear of persecution. It's a known fact they do nothing with use of force complains either. Cops are totally irresponsible and need to have their unions busted, and every single last one of them fired in sequence as we rehire people who aren't criminals.

 

[Darwin333]

When people who don't understand english enter this country, there has to be some sort of badge sewn onto their clothing so that police can identify them and implement proper protocol for handling them.

This would protect both the police and the foreigners.

That wouldn't even have helped in this situation. The criminal knew he didn't speak "a lick of English" (his words) before he body slammed him.

 

[sandorski]

I had a good joke all thought up about the Wheelchair Industrial Complex, but then read the article and became disgusted. As if I need to say it, there's something seriously fucked up with Policing in the US these days. Problem is, I don't even think this is really the problem with the Police, rather it is with the situation the Police have to deal with. Mortal danger is ever present, some of that is Real, some of that simply Perceived, either way Cops making bad choices ending in tragedy will continue until some fundamental change is made.

 

[SheHateMe]

The officers were responding to a male caller who reported Sureshbhai Patel — who had only arrived in the United States a week earlier to take care of his grandson so Chirag Patel could attend graduate school — as a suspicious individual.

"He was doing it yesterday and today...He's just on foot. He's just kind of walking around close to the garage," the caller said, according to AL.com.

When asked what the 57-year-old looked like, "He's a skinny black guy, he's got a toboggan on, he's really skinny," adding, "I've lived here four years and I've never seen him before."

Maybe this Indian guy should have been wearing a business suit, that way, the cops can't mistake him for being a black male...I mean, a thug.

 

[inf1nity]

Hinduphobia....

Exactly what it is.

I don't think its specifically directed against Hindus. Its more of a racist attitude towards non-whites. Which is why these things generally don't happen to East Asians(Chinese, Japanese); as they have much whiter skin.

Here is a good article on this.(Ignore the clickbait title)