Police paralyses a man for walking on the sidewalk

[Hayabusa Rider]

I've never understood why all citizens are expected to give deference to Police at all times, when the requirements for becoming a police officer are less strenuous that the requirements to become a Scuba instructor. The job doesn't exactly exact the "creme de la creme" of talent either, and it's even worse recently because no decent human being wants to apply for the job and be hated by everyone for working with these jerks.

Cops in the US are going to have to face the facts. They are going to lose authority, a lot of it. They've overplayed their hand, and if the NYPD is any example it only takes a tiny incident to send them cowering into submission should they decide to become thugs again. It's either that, or you are gonna start see bonnie and clyde like killing sprees of law enforcement officers, and the public will eat it up, just like they did in the 30s when the cops were thugs that protected the banks. It can get there again, and people act like this is unprecedented. Cops have been abusing their authority and having it curtailed for the history of this nation. It truly is a profession that just attracts awful people.

People should give reasonable deference because without some mechanism for preventing crime on the street there will be a whole lot of bad things happening. That does not mean surrendering rights, but giving a tough time to someone serving a useful purpose in a proper way isn't constructive. The other side of that equation however is that the police need to respect the rights of the people. If they commit a wrongful act they should have the same penalty levied against them as you or I would be subject to.

 

[Rebel_L]

I've never understood why all citizens are expected to give deference to Police at all times, when the requirements for becoming a police officer are less strenuous that the requirements to become a Scuba instructor. The job doesn't exactly exact the "creme de la creme" of talent either, and it's even worse recently because no decent human being wants to apply for the job and be hated by everyone for working with these jerks.

Cops in the US are going to have to face the facts. They are going to lose authority, a lot of it. They've overplayed their hand, and if the NYPD is any example it only takes a tiny incident to send them cowering into submission should they decide to become thugs again. It's either that, or you are gonna start see bonnie and clyde like killing sprees of law enforcement officers, and the public will eat it up, just like they did in the 30s when the cops were thugs that protected the banks. It can get there again, and people act like this is unprecedented. Cops have been abusing their authority and having it curtailed for the history of this nation. It truly is a profession that just attracts awful people.

In general it seems like the police are just reflecting the values of the rest of society. I see fear/safety as one of the main issues in society at large today. For cops safety is treating everyone as a dangerous criminal. Its hard to expect the police to not reflect society seeing as they are part of it.

When cops say "just do what we say, its safer that way" its more akin to telling your kids to look both ways before crossing a street ,even in a crosswalk, than having a god complex.

I think its a terrible tragedy when incidents like this happen, but if you want to work on the problem your not going to get anywhere unless you work on changing the citizens as much as you work on changing the cops.

 

[BoberFett]

People should give reasonable deference because without some mechanism for preventing crime on the street there will be a whole lot of bad things happening. That does not mean surrendering rights, but giving a tough time to someone serving a useful purpose in a proper way isn't constructive. The other side of that equation however is that the police need to respect the rights of the people. If they commit a wrongful act they should have the same penalty levied against them as you or I would be subject to.

The problem is that cops never back down from their "stand of dominance". Whether it's treating you like shit even after it's determined that your not a criminal, or covering up for crooked cops who executed someone and then planted evidence, the cops never give deference to their employers.

Remember us? The taxpayers. The citizens. People in government have forgotten that they're public SERVANTS. Not public masters. And cops are only behind politicians when it comes to forgetting who their bosses are.

 

[moonbogg]

Ohhhh shit! I mean CRAP!

 

[SunnyD]

Remember us? The taxpayers. The citizens. People in government have forgotten that they're public SERVANTS. Not public masters. And cops are only behind politicians when it comes to forgetting who their bosses are.

People want to be treated equally and fairly, except when it comes to themselves. Then they bring out the "I'm a tax payer, I pay your welfare check/paycheck/etc. I own you!" mentality. (Or simply the "I'm just better than you" mentality in general)

Who are you kidding? It's every man for themselves in this god damn world.

 

[Venix]

Dash cam video is available. Luckily for the victim, a second police car arrived just in time to capture a clear video of the attack.

The assailant is being charged with misdemeanor assault, and the police chief is recommending his termination. Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised if he's immediately re-employed by another department, or if the union successfully appeals his firing. Hopefully he'll at least be stripped of qualified immunity so he can be personally sued.

 

[Subyman]

beautiful being should be charged with more than that. He should see jail time.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

If you aren't white, watch out...you so much as twitch a muscle when dealing with a cop, and it's very possible that you will be at best assaulted, and at worst shot and killed.

Usually, with DA's and other cops covering for each other, they get away with it. Mandatory video recording needs to happen, and cases like this show why.

 

[radhak]

Finally, some appropriate action : the cop was arrested! Good thing the dashcam from the other cop car was available. Why was the cam in this cop's car not?

The guy who called 911 is a priceless too:

The caller early Friday morning reports an individual walking on the street near his home. "He was doing it yesterday and today...He's just on foot. He's just kind of walking around close to the garage."
The operator asks what the man looks like. "He's a skinny black guy, he's got a toboggan on, he's really skinny."


He adds: "I've lived here four years and I've never seen him before."


The caller says: "I'm just kind of following from a distance now." He says he is about to go to work and is nervous to leave his wife with the man walking around outside.

I guess the family forgot to put out a PSA that their dad is visiting...


And I'm sure other cops must cringe when they hear the conversation amongst these cops:

"He don't speak a lick of English."
"I tried to pat him down but he tried to walk away from me."
"I don't know what his problem is but he won't listen."

Maybe they need to be taught that people who don't speak English also don't understand English? That's their problem?

 

[Blanky]

Put this fucking animal in prison. That dash cam video is beautiful, damning evidence. Anything less than a multi-year prison sentence for this pig is a miscarriage of justice. Completely unjustified assault resulting in permanent harm would for any other citizen earn years in jail. Old guy standing there, cuffed, not making any threatening movements and two cops there one of whom slams him into the ground. It is assault.

 

[tmc]

Good thing the dashcam from the other cop car was available. Why was the cam in this cop's car not?

the angle 1 video shows this cop's footage:

http://whnt.com/2015/02/12/madison-...-support-coming-for-indian-man-badly-injured/

 

[Brovane]

The problem is that cops never back down from their "stand of dominance". Whether it's treating you like shit even after it's determined that your not a criminal, or covering up for crooked cops who executed someone and then planted evidence, the cops never give deference to their employers.

Remember us? The taxpayers. The citizens. People in government have forgotten that they're public SERVANTS. Not public masters. And cops are only behind politicians when it comes to forgetting who their bosses are.

I agree with this. It is like the Cop couldn't comprehend that the man didn't speak English. He clearly didn't understand what the Cop was saying. He might have been trying to lead the police back to where he was staying. So someone at the house could vouch for him and translate. However instead the Cop just slammed him into the ground damaging his spinal cord.

 

[Subyman]

Finally, some appropriate action : the cop was arrested! Good thing the dashcam from the other cop car was available. Why was the cam in this cop's car not?

The guy who called 911 is a priceless too:

I guess the family forgot to put out a PSA that their dad is visiting...


And I'm sure other cops must cringe when they hear the conversation amongst these cops:
Maybe they need to be taught that people who don't speak English also don't understand English? That's their problem?

Scared to let his wife leave for work because there is a man using the sidewalk? WTF? I knew the "concerned citizen's" phone call would be horse shit.

 

[oobydoobydoo]

Sickening where we've gotten to in this country with law enforcement. We catch cops breaking a elderly man's spine for no reason at all and the best they can do is "reccommend" he be fired? Why is he being charged with a misdemeanor?


Where is Chris Dorner when you need him.

 

[mizzou]

I've never understood why all citizens are expected to give deference to Police at all times, when the requirements for becoming a police officer are less strenuous that the requirements to become a Scuba instructor. The job doesn't exactly exact the "creme de la creme" of talent either, and it's even worse recently because no decent human being wants to apply for the job and be hated by everyone for working with these jerks.

Cops in the US are going to have to face the facts. They are going to lose authority, a lot of it. They've overplayed their hand, and if the NYPD is any example it only takes a tiny incident to send them cowering into submission should they decide to become thugs again. It's either that, or you are gonna start see bonnie and clyde like killing sprees of law enforcement officers, and the public will eat it up, just like they did in the 30s when the cops were thugs that protected the banks. It can get there again, and people act like this is unprecedented. Cops have been abusing their authority and having it curtailed for the history of this nation. It truly is a profession that just attracts awful people.

You are so wrong...it makes my head spin. I just don't even know where to start. You have two paragraphs of complete and utter misguided perceptions, data, and feelings. Completely incorrect. I am pretty sure I can't show you the truth and change your mind, but I will show you the truth and maybe see how you react to it.

Around 600,000 police officers made 50,000,000 contacts made with citizens of the USA.
Around 300,000,000 people live in the USA.

Of the 50,000,000 contacts, there were 26,000 known complaints of excessive force. That is a 0.05% chance that your contact with a police officer will result in a complaint of excessive force.

Of that 0.05% chance, there is a 8% chance the allegations are even legit. That reduces your chance of all contacts to a .004%


So, statistically, there is a 99.996% chance you will not be the next "Eric Garner".


So please....in an extreme amount of detail ...explain to me why you want to justify the murder of police officers in reaction to this and other related news stories where citizens are injured/killed in circumstances that involve police.

 

[mizzou]

Sickening where we've gotten to in this country with law enforcement. We catch cops breaking a elderly man's spine for no reason at all and the best they can do is "reccommend" he be fired? Why is he being charged with a misdemeanor?


Where is Chris Dorner when you need him.

What the fuck is wrong with you? How about if you are going to make vague and direct threats to kill police officers that you at least have the decency to explain in detail why you feel that way.

So because you see a news story, you want to see the murder of people who have absolutely nothing to do with it? Your comments and point of view are extremely disturbing. These are the same disjointed-from-reality statements that people who actually commit these horrific crimes state as well.

Police.Are.Not.Out.Of.Control!!!!!!! THERE IS NO DATA SUPPORTING THAT! So before you legitimize the killing of innocent people, how about you get your fucking facts straight and be honest.

you hate cops, and you want to see them murdered You don't hate that specific Madison police officer. You hate cops in general. You don't need data to support your argument, because you are an evil person. Let's just start with that admission first, otherwise, I'm really confused.

 

[Brovane]

Around 600,000 police officers made 50,000,000 contacts made with citizens of the USA.
Around 300,000,000 people live in the USA.

Of the 50,000,000 contacts, there were 26,000 known complaints of excessive force. That is a 0.05% chance that your contact with a police officer will result in a complaint of excessive force.

Of that 0.05% chance, there is a 8% chance the allegations are even legit. That reduces your chance of all contacts to a .004%


So, statistically, there is a 99.996% chance you will not be the next "Eric Garner".
.

Do we know those numbers are accurate? From my understanding not all agencies even report when a officer shoots and kills someone. They don't even keep records on the use of SWAT's and the number of times they have to do a dynamic entry. Also the 8% number, who is doing the investigation of the police? The police themselves? Basically if you don't have video of the excessive force, it isn't usually believed that excessive force was used. So that 8% number could be higher it was just dismissed because the Cop was assumed to be right.

How would something like this roll up under your stats?

http://www.businessinsider.com/police-officer-will-not-be-charged-in-killing-of-napster-executive-2014-8

 

[oobydoobydoo]

You are so wrong...it makes my head spin. I just don't even know where to start. You have two paragraphs of complete and utter misguided perceptions, data, and feelings. Completely incorrect. I am pretty sure I can't show you the truth and change your mind, but I will show you the truth and maybe see how you react to it.

Around 600,000 police officers made 50,000,000 contacts made with citizens of the USA.
Around 300,000,000 people live in the USA.

Of the 50,000,000 contacts, there were 26,000 known complaints of excessive force. That is a 0.05% chance that your contact with a police officer will result in a complaint of excessive force.

Of that 0.05% chance, there is a 8% chance the allegations are even legit. That reduces your chance of all contacts to a .004%


So, statistically, there is a 99.996% chance you will not be the next "Eric Garner".


So please....in an extreme amount of detail ...explain to me why you want to justify the murder of police officers in reaction to this and other related news stories where citizens are injured/killed in circumstances that involve police.

LOL. Are you upset? I can't tell...and btw I never said it was justified, you are the one justifying people with your explanations and excuses for cop brutality. I'm just telling you to face the facts, people are sick of law enforcement and it's attitude of entitlement and greed and corruption, and if the police don't give justice you will see people like Chris Dorner popping up, who BTW was a police officer!


I just want justice. In this case, it would allay some of my concerns to see that cop who broke that indian's spine go to prison for a few years. Of course, as long as we have the current people in charge of law enforcement things won't change. You come in here an blindly defend any cop for any action whatsoever, and then act like I hate cops? The only reason you think I hate cops is because you love them so much that any criticism appears to you as blind hatred. You are the epitome of an angry, hateful, and stupid cop. Congratulations on being an exhibit for this forum!

 

[mizzou]

Do we know those numbers are accurate? From my understanding not all agencies even report when a officer shoots and kills someone. They don't even keep records on the use of SWAT's and the number of times they have to do a dynamic entry. Also the 8% number, who is doing the investigation of the police? The police themselves? Basically if you don't have video of the excessive force, it isn't usually believed that excessive force was used. So that 8% number could be higher it was just dismissed because the Cop was assumed to be right.

How would something like this roll up under your stats?

http://www.businessinsider.com/police-officer-will-not-be-charged-in-killing-of-napster-executive-2014-8

FBI reported statistics need a HUGE overhall and audit. Even on the local level, cities are notorious for "stretching" data to fit their needs, and that includes how murders are reported.

The 8% dismissed figure has a few problems.

#1: You need evidence to support your claims. This is both good and bad. A subject can report being assaulted at a police car, but the dash cam clearly refutes that. A subject can also say they were kicked in the face, but there is no evidence there to support it. So unfortunately, it may be impossible to know how many legitimate claims are dismissed due to lack of evidence or lack of reason.
#2: Who accurately reports claims of excessive force? Do certain areas take a lion share of these reports? Is the LAPD like 30% of these? Is NYPD 20%? So does that mean you have an even astronomically lower chance of getting beat up?

What about people who deal with asshole cops? What % of cops are assholes and leave the citizen with a bad taste in their mouth?

It's hard to quantify everything...and anecdotal judgments should still never be ignored. If NYPD has a reputation of being a bunch of thugs, it's probably based in fact.

But one thing is for absolute sure. We can't see several news stories from around the entire nation, and then be judge/jury/executioner based on just that. That is for absolute damn sure.

 

[mizzou]

....
The only reason you think I hate cops is because you love them so much that any criticism appears to you as blind hatred. You are the epitome of an angry, hateful, and stupid cop. Congratulations on being an exhibit for this forum!

I've never come out in blind defense of an accused cop, ever. I have only called for restraint and await the details of a full investigation. If a full investigation is performed, and even if the FBI reviews it, I will trust they did what they could do.

And I am pretty safe to say you will justify the murder of cops when you say you want to see them die en masse like some bonny & clyde shooting spree and murder manifesto a'la Dorner. Those are some great heroes to hope for...

 

[oobydoobydoo]

I've never come out in blind defense of an accused cop, ever. I have only called for restraint and await the details of a full investigation. If a full investigation is performed, and even if the FBI reviews it, I will trust they did what they could do.

And I am pretty safe to say you will justify the murder of cops when you say you want to see them die en masse like some bonny & clyde shooting spree and murder manifesto a'la Dorner. Those are some great heroes to hope for...

Continuing to make up bullshit I see. Well, it was worth a shot, but as usual conversing with a cop is a total waste of time. You only understand violence or money, your two passions. As for Dorner, he just wanted justice, but of course that is the one thing police can never abide.


The only consoling factor here is that cops are so, so stupid it's pretty easy to make you look like fools and expose your corruption. Your strength isn't in strategy, it's numbers. There are a ton of stupid people out there, hence a ton of cop and cop supporters... but luckily the smarter people are on the side of justice. Just look at this thread... the village idiot here is dancing for us!

 

[mizzou]

Dash cam video is available. Luckily for the victim, a second police car arrived just in time to capture a clear video of the attack.

The assailant is being charged with misdemeanor assault, and the police chief is recommending his termination. Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised if he's immediately re-employed by another department, or if the union successfully appeals his firing. Hopefully he'll at least be stripped of qualified immunity so he can be personally sued.

I'll definitely follow this one. The investigation/charges will likely take a while. Having two officers present, him already handcuffed?, Although I'm only seeing a fixed viewpoint, I have a hard time imagining why a full take down was performed. I think police can do something like that if the person pulls away from them to run away, but I didn't get that sense at all by looking at the video.

Where he may really get fucked is if he had no reason to detain him to begin with. That may reallllly fuck the officer.

Certainly a lot could happen in this incident.

 

[mizzou]

Continuing to make up bullshit I see. Well, it was worth a shot, but as usual conversing with a cop is a total waste of time. You only understand violence or money, your two passions. As for Dorner, he just wanted justice, but of course that is the one thing police can never abide.


The only consoling factor here is that cops are so, so stupid it's pretty easy to make you look like fools and expose your corruption. Your strength isn't in strategy, it's numbers. There are a ton of stupid people out there, hence a ton of cop and cop supporters... but luckily the smarter people are on the side of justice. Just look at this thread... the village idiot here is dancing for us!

I will openly debate with people, because I'm grown enough to know I can be wrong. I have been wrong before. Unfortunately I will just have to ignore you because your forum existence is simply to troll. Enjoy living in your delusions.

 

[Brovane]

FBI reported statistics need a HUGE overhall and audit. Even on the local level, cities are notorious for "stretching" data to fit their needs, and that includes how murders are reported.

The 8% dismissed figure has a few problems.

#1: You need evidence to support your claims. This is both good and bad. A subject can report being assaulted at a police car, but the dash cam clearly refutes that. A subject can also say they were kicked in the face, but there is no evidence there to support it. So unfortunately, it may be impossible to know how many legitimate claims are dismissed due to lack of evidence or lack of reason.
#2: Who accurately reports claims of excessive force? Do certain areas take a lion share of these reports? Is the LAPD like 30% of these? Is NYPD 20%? So does that mean you have an even astronomically lower chance of getting beat up?

What about people who deal with asshole cops? What % of cops are assholes and leave the citizen with a bad taste in their mouth?

It's hard to quantify everything...and anecdotal judgments should still never be ignored. If NYPD has a reputation of being a bunch of thugs, it's probably based in fact.

But one thing is for absolute sure. We can't see several news stories from around the entire nation, and then be judge/jury/executioner based on just that. That is for absolute damn sure.

That is why I think we need good data that we can trust. A single incident in a as large as country as the US doesn't mean a lot in regards to overall Police dept accountability. We do seem to be building up more of these stories.

We need more statistical data. For example on the use of SWAT, number of no-knock warrants served, use of flash stun devices, firearm discharges and the shooting of pets. However it seems that Police Dept's are reluctant to collect this data.

 

[Jaskalas]

That dash cam video... changes everything. The victim did not even move. He already had his hands placed behind his back, presumably cuffed. Then, while under full control of the two officers, he was assaulted by a throw down... head first into the ground to break his neck.

This is a horrible crime on a completely innocent man without ANY provocation!