Police official: 3 officers killed in Pa. shooting

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: daishi5
We have seen the evidence from other countries banning guns does not reduce their crime rate.

Compare the per capita murder rate between the UK and US.

How about a comparison of Mexico and the US

It would be infinitely more valid to compare two developed "western" nations like the UK and the US, don't you think?

 

[Zebo]

Last 30 days..


1. Nursing home murders
2. Man in Alabama driving around shooting at people
3. Immigration help center in Binghamton, NY
4. Cops in Pittsburgh
5. man that beheaded his 5 year old sister and killed 2 other siblings with a knife
6. Cops in Oakland

Going to be a long HOT summer I fear as economy gets worse.

 

[Sacrilege]

Originally posted by: JD50
I was a police officer for 3 years, it hits very close to home any time a cop is killed in the line of duty. That being said, it's absolutely sickening to see clueless assholes like yourself use tragedies like this to push your anti-second amendment agenda. DIAF

People here sure throw around die in a fire a lot. A lot of hatred I suppose. And we're supposed to feel safe with a gun in your hands.

I'm very pro-2nd amendment but people expressing hatred, and the story that this thread about, really show the mental illness a lot of people in America have.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: daishi5
We have seen the evidence from other countries banning guns does not reduce their crime rate.

Compare the per capita murder rate between the UK and US.

How about a comparison of Mexico and the US

Mexico has some of the strictest gun laws in the world. It is in many ways similar to the United Kingdom, except with much more severe prison terms for even the smallest gun law violations.

It would be infinitely more valid to compare two developed "western" nations like the UK and the US, don't you think?

Switzerland (western / developed)

Switzerland requires every male over the age of 20 to own an assault rifle (specifically SIG 550 in 5.56 cal.).

In one study by David Kopel of seven countries, including the United States and Japan, Switzerland is found to be one of the safest countries in the study.

 

[Sacrilege]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: daishi5
We have seen the evidence from other countries banning guns does not reduce their crime rate.

Compare the per capita murder rate between the UK and US.

How about a comparison of Mexico and the US

Mexico has some of the strictest gun laws in the world. It is in many ways similar to the United Kingdom, except with much more severe prison terms for even the smallest gun law violations.

It would be infinitely more valid to compare two developed "western" nations like the UK and the US, don't you think?

Switzerland (western / developed)

Switzerland requires every male over the age of 20 to own an assault rifle (specifically SIG 550 in 5.56 cal.).

In one study by David Kopel of seven countries, including the United States and Japan, Switzerland is found to be one of the safest countries in the study.

According to Charlton Heston, America's high crime rate is because it is a melting pot of ethnicity. :disgust:

When in fact, most crime is committed "within race."

I think the reason is because of the high level of hate and violence ingrained in the American psyche. Just look at this thread, people are calling for the death of their fellow forum members. People hate others because they are at war with themselves.

 

[Albatross]

problems are cultural rather than related to gun policy...
i think all europeans should have guns like in Switzerland and we would probably still have less deaths than USA.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: ericlp
http://www.google.com/hostedne...H8XQ5EaI6_7cAD97BOV5O0

A man opened fire on officers during a domestic disturbance call Saturday morning, killing three of them, a police official said. Friends said he feared the Obama administration was poised to ban guns.

Vire, 23, said the gunman once had an Internet talk show but that it wasn't successful. Vire said his friend had an AK-47 rifle and several powerful handguns, including a .357 Magnum.

Well, That's ONE reason to BAN THEM right there!

Another example of guns and assault rifles in the hands of CRAZY'S and why they NEED TO BE BANNED....

For every one you list, I'll list two.

Pizza shop owner describes robbery, shooting

John Hayes wants only to sell pizzas, not shoot robbers.

But the day after his West Akron pizza parlor was held up and he shot and killed the shotgun-armed robber, Hayes remains concerned about his business, his life and the health of his six workers.

He wants the public to know why he opened fire: He didn't want to be killed, like other robbery victims around the city. He wants only to sell pizzas.

''I'm devastated,'' he said inside Your Pizza Shop, the West Exchange Street parlor he purchased two months ago. ''It's an unbelievable situation I've been put into because of some person's carelessness and thoughtlessness.

''I'm in fear of my life, my employees' lives and the lives of everybody I know.''

Hayes, 37, was behind the counter Tuesday night when 20-year-old Patrick Finney, wearing an orange ski mask, walked in and pointed a sawed-off shotgun at his head just before 8 p.m.

A customer, an older woman from the neighborhood, was seated at the counter watching the Cavaliers game while waiting for a stromboli.

''He said, 'Give me the [expletive] money. This is an [expletive] robbery,'' Hayes said.

Hayes cooperated, giving the robber a stack of $10 bills. The robber wanted more and pointed the shotgun within inches of Hayes' head, he said.

''As soon as I gave him the money, I pulled my gun out from my hip, pointed it and fired four shots,'' Hayes said.

Finney fell to the floor, then stood back up. Hayes fired three more shots from his Smith & Wesson 9 mm pistol. Finney staggered outside and collapsed across the street. The cash he sought was dropped outside.

Hayes then called 911.

''I just got robbed at my pizza shop, 1077 West Exchange Street,'' Hayes says on the recording released by Akron police.

''OK, what kind. . . .does he have a weapon?'' a dispatcher asks.

''He had a weapon, a gun. I shot him. He's across the street laying down right now,'' Hayes says.

''You shot him?'' the dispatcher replies in a startled voice.

''I shot him right in front of me while he was holding a gun on me,'' Hayes replies.

Finney was taken to Akron General Medical Center. He died within the hour. An autopsy on Wednesday showed he was shot multiple times in the torso. The death has been ruled a homicide.

Akron police are investigating the shooting, but there is no indication that Hayes, who has been questioned by investigators, acted unlawfully. It was the fourth robbery at the shop since 2007.

Police Lt. Rick Edwards said Finney had no felony convictions, but he had been arrested in 2008 and charged with marijuana drug abuse. Finney failed to appear in court and a warrant was issued for his arrest.

Finney's mother, Patricia, lives six blocks south of Buchtel High School on Winton Avenue, but a neighbor said that Patrick Finney had lived with his grandmother until she died a few years ago. Efforts to reach other family members for comment were unsuccessful.

An acquaintance of Finney, Kenneth Amos, 20, of Akron, was arrested after the shooting and charged with tampering with evidence. He had items that belonged to Finney, Edwards said. Police would not say whether the items were connected to the robbery.

Hayes said the neighborhood reaction to the shooting has been troubling. A woman stood outside his shop taking pictures, for no apparent reason. Others have called and hung up. Business was slow Wednesday afternoon.

His delivery drivers are concerned about retaliation. He said he carries a weapon, with a concealed carry permit and regular shooting practice, to avoid being a victim. He cited the recent case of the North Hill man shot in a carjacking as reason for his fear of being shot during a robbery.

Spartanburg, South Carolina

From March 31, 2009 GoUpState.com:

Deon Shippy and his girlfriend, Casey McKinney, decided to take full advantage of their day off by catching a few extra winks Monday morning.

But their peaceful slumber was shattered shortly after 10 a.m. when an armed gunman forced his way into their duplex at 4 Twin Woods Drive near Converse and opened fire.

"We were still asleep and I heard a loud bang," Shippy said. "I thought my punching bag had fallen off the porch. Casey said someone was breaking through the door, and I got up and bullets started flying past my head. One hit her in the arm. I told her to hide under the bed and I grabbed my gun and started shooting back."

Police responded to the home invasion call at 10:15 a.m. They arrived on the scene and found McKinney bleeding from a bullet wound on her left forearm. She was taken to Spartanburg Regional Hospital for treatment and was later released.

Witnesses said the gunman and an accomplice fled the scene in a black 1980s Ford Crown Victoria with dual exhaust. They described the suspects as two black males.

Authorities said Shippy and the intruder exchanged more than a dozen shots through a bedroom door before the suspect retreated. Bullet holes were visible on the exterior of the home near Shippy's bedroom window.

Shippy said he might have wounded one of the suspects during the melee, but investigators were unable to confirm that Monday.

Get a clue. Oh, and if you want my guns you'd better pick one up yourself, cause I'll be firing at you when you come.

 

[daishi5]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: daishi5
We have seen the evidence from other countries banning guns does not reduce their crime rate.

Compare the per capita murder rate between the UK and US.

Most importantly, while it does not seem to have any strong effect one way or the other on murders, banning guns does seem to cause an increase in rapes, assaults, and robberies.

Evidence? Again, compare per capita rates between the UK and the US.

You seem to fail at the most basic comparisons, why don't you compare the crime rate in the UK from before their more stringent gun laws and after? That gives you a comparison over time, and gee you might find that they had an even lesser crime rate before they restricted gun rights, which would have made them even less crime prone than us. And over the same period of time, we made our gun laws more lax, repealed AWB, allowed CCW, and our crime rates have gone down.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: daishi5
You seem to fail at the most basic comparisons, why don't you compare the crime rate in the UK from before their more stringent gun laws and after? That gives you a comparison over time, and gee you might find that they had an even lesser crime rate before they restricted gun rights, which would have made them even less crime prone than us.

Their gun crime rate went down after they banned guns.

Their gun crime rate is lower per capita than the US.

Any questions?

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Sacrilege

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: daishi5
We have seen the evidence from other countries banning guns does not reduce their crime rate.

Compare the per capita murder rate between the UK and US.

How about a comparison of Mexico and the US

Mexico has some of the strictest gun laws in the world. It is in many ways similar to the United Kingdom, except with much more severe prison terms for even the smallest gun law violations.

It would be infinitely more valid to compare two developed "western" nations like the UK and the US, don't you think?

Switzerland (western / developed)

Switzerland requires every male over the age of 20 to own an assault rifle (specifically SIG 550 in 5.56 cal.).

In one study by David Kopel of seven countries, including the United States and Japan, Switzerland is found to be one of the safest countries in the study.

According to Charlton Heston, America's high crime rate is because it is a melting pot of ethnicity. :disgust:

When in fact, most crime is committed "within race."

I think the reason is because of the high level of hate and violence ingrained in the American psyche. Just look at this thread, people are calling for the death of their fellow forum members. People hate others because they are at war with themselves.

Could be some racial discord, could also be felons having guns as most cases these are - and frankly, I think if you can't trust someone with a firearm they should not be in general population - but that's another thread entirely.... Could prescription medication seems to be a common albeit unmentioned theme. But IMO it's a moral breakdown - that it's simply wrong to murder people, a worse 'sin' if you will than anything, does not register.

 

[daishi5]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: daishi5
You seem to fail at the most basic comparisons, why don't you compare the crime rate in the UK from before their more stringent gun laws and after? That gives you a comparison over time, and gee you might find that they had an even lesser crime rate before they restricted gun rights, which would have made them even less crime prone than us.

Their gun crime rate went down after they banned guns.

Their gun crime rate is lower per capita than the US.

Any questions?

Their "gun" crime rate or their "total" crime rate? Are you happier if a woman gets raped at knife point, just because there was no gun?

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Sacrilege

Originally posted by: JD50
I was a police officer for 3 years, it hits very close to home any time a cop is killed in the line of duty. That being said, it's absolutely sickening to see clueless assholes like yourself use tragedies like this to push your anti-second amendment agenda. DIAF

People here sure throw around die in a fire a lot. A lot of hatred I suppose. And we're supposed to feel safe with a gun in your hands.

I'm very pro-2nd amendment but people expressing hatred, and the story that this thread about, really show the mental illness a lot of people in America have.

Yea, using a common internet meme is a great test of someone's mental capacity. I don't care if you feel safe with a gun in my hands, it's not my problem you're a pussy.

DIAF

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: ericlp
http://www.google.com/hostedne...H8XQ5EaI6_7cAD97BOV5O0

A man opened fire on officers during a domestic disturbance call Saturday morning, killing three of them, a police official said. Friends said he feared the Obama administration was poised to ban guns.

Vire, 23, said the gunman once had an Internet talk show but that it wasn't successful. Vire said his friend had an AK-47 rifle and several powerful handguns, including a .357 Magnum.

Well, That's ONE reason to BAN THEM right there!

Another example of guns and assault rifles in the hands of CRAZY'S and why they NEED TO BE BANNED....

For every one you list, I'll list two.

Pizza shop owner describes robbery, shooting

John Hayes wants only to sell pizzas, not shoot robbers.

But the day after his West Akron pizza parlor was held up and he shot and killed the shotgun-armed robber, Hayes remains concerned about his business, his life and the health of his six workers.

He wants the public to know why he opened fire: He didn't want to be killed, like other robbery victims around the city. He wants only to sell pizzas.

''I'm devastated,'' he said inside Your Pizza Shop, the West Exchange Street parlor he purchased two months ago. ''It's an unbelievable situation I've been put into because of some person's carelessness and thoughtlessness.

''I'm in fear of my life, my employees' lives and the lives of everybody I know.''

Hayes, 37, was behind the counter Tuesday night when 20-year-old Patrick Finney, wearing an orange ski mask, walked in and pointed a sawed-off shotgun at his head just before 8 p.m.

A customer, an older woman from the neighborhood, was seated at the counter watching the Cavaliers game while waiting for a stromboli.

''He said, 'Give me the [expletive] money. This is an [expletive] robbery,'' Hayes said.

Hayes cooperated, giving the robber a stack of $10 bills. The robber wanted more and pointed the shotgun within inches of Hayes' head, he said.

''As soon as I gave him the money, I pulled my gun out from my hip, pointed it and fired four shots,'' Hayes said.

Finney fell to the floor, then stood back up. Hayes fired three more shots from his Smith & Wesson 9 mm pistol. Finney staggered outside and collapsed across the street. The cash he sought was dropped outside.

Hayes then called 911.

''I just got robbed at my pizza shop, 1077 West Exchange Street,'' Hayes says on the recording released by Akron police.

''OK, what kind. . . .does he have a weapon?'' a dispatcher asks.

''He had a weapon, a gun. I shot him. He's across the street laying down right now,'' Hayes says.

''You shot him?'' the dispatcher replies in a startled voice.

''I shot him right in front of me while he was holding a gun on me,'' Hayes replies.

Finney was taken to Akron General Medical Center. He died within the hour. An autopsy on Wednesday showed he was shot multiple times in the torso. The death has been ruled a homicide.

Akron police are investigating the shooting, but there is no indication that Hayes, who has been questioned by investigators, acted unlawfully. It was the fourth robbery at the shop since 2007.

Police Lt. Rick Edwards said Finney had no felony convictions, but he had been arrested in 2008 and charged with marijuana drug abuse. Finney failed to appear in court and a warrant was issued for his arrest.

Finney's mother, Patricia, lives six blocks south of Buchtel High School on Winton Avenue, but a neighbor said that Patrick Finney had lived with his grandmother until she died a few years ago. Efforts to reach other family members for comment were unsuccessful.

An acquaintance of Finney, Kenneth Amos, 20, of Akron, was arrested after the shooting and charged with tampering with evidence. He had items that belonged to Finney, Edwards said. Police would not say whether the items were connected to the robbery.

Hayes said the neighborhood reaction to the shooting has been troubling. A woman stood outside his shop taking pictures, for no apparent reason. Others have called and hung up. Business was slow Wednesday afternoon.

His delivery drivers are concerned about retaliation. He said he carries a weapon, with a concealed carry permit and regular shooting practice, to avoid being a victim. He cited the recent case of the North Hill man shot in a carjacking as reason for his fear of being shot during a robbery.

Spartanburg, South Carolina

From March 31, 2009 GoUpState.com:

Deon Shippy and his girlfriend, Casey McKinney, decided to take full advantage of their day off by catching a few extra winks Monday morning.

But their peaceful slumber was shattered shortly after 10 a.m. when an armed gunman forced his way into their duplex at 4 Twin Woods Drive near Converse and opened fire.

"We were still asleep and I heard a loud bang," Shippy said. "I thought my punching bag had fallen off the porch. Casey said someone was breaking through the door, and I got up and bullets started flying past my head. One hit her in the arm. I told her to hide under the bed and I grabbed my gun and started shooting back."

Police responded to the home invasion call at 10:15 a.m. They arrived on the scene and found McKinney bleeding from a bullet wound on her left forearm. She was taken to Spartanburg Regional Hospital for treatment and was later released.

Witnesses said the gunman and an accomplice fled the scene in a black 1980s Ford Crown Victoria with dual exhaust. They described the suspects as two black males.

Authorities said Shippy and the intruder exchanged more than a dozen shots through a bedroom door before the suspect retreated. Bullet holes were visible on the exterior of the home near Shippy's bedroom window.

Shippy said he might have wounded one of the suspects during the melee, but investigators were unable to confirm that Monday.

Get a clue. Oh, and if you want my guns you'd better pick one up yourself, cause I'll be firing at you when you come.

Take em' to the jack shack POW

CCW needs to be forcefully advocated as the solution. The only other option is widespread banning and confiscation, which is unconstitutional and simply isn't going to happen for a variety of other reasons, one you state.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: daishi5

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: daishi5
You seem to fail at the most basic comparisons, why don't you compare the crime rate in the UK from before their more stringent gun laws and after? That gives you a comparison over time, and gee you might find that they had an even lesser crime rate before they restricted gun rights, which would have made them even less crime prone than us.

Their gun crime rate went down after they banned guns.

Their gun crime rate is lower per capita than the US.

Any questions?

Their "gun" crime rate or their "total" crime rate? Are you happier if a woman gets raped at knife point, just because there was no gun?

Total crime rate can trend down because of improvements in law enforcement.

Of course people will resort to other weapons. Do you think the shooter in NY yesterday could have killed/injured 39 people with a knife?

A knife is a close quarters weapon, and its killing potential drops significantly outside an arm's reach.

Put four men into a room about 40 feet long. On one side, put three men with no weapon but their bare hands. On the other side, put one man with a gun. That one man can easily disable the other three.

Now run that same scenario with the lone man having a knife.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Sacrilege

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: daishi5
We have seen the evidence from other countries banning guns does not reduce their crime rate.

Compare the per capita murder rate between the UK and US.

How about a comparison of Mexico and the US

Mexico has some of the strictest gun laws in the world. It is in many ways similar to the United Kingdom, except with much more severe prison terms for even the smallest gun law violations.

It would be infinitely more valid to compare two developed "western" nations like the UK and the US, don't you think?

Switzerland (western / developed)

Switzerland requires every male over the age of 20 to own an assault rifle (specifically SIG 550 in 5.56 cal.).

In one study by David Kopel of seven countries, including the United States and Japan, Switzerland is found to be one of the safest countries in the study.

According to Charlton Heston, America's high crime rate is because it is a melting pot of ethnicity. :disgust:

When in fact, most crime is committed "within race."

I think the reason is because of the high level of hate and violence ingrained in the American psyche. Just look at this thread, people are calling for the death of their fellow forum members. People hate others because they are at war with themselves.

No one is actually calling for the death of their fellow forum members. Sounds like you have some problems separating real life from an internet message board.

DIAF

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: daishi5

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: daishi5
You seem to fail at the most basic comparisons, why don't you compare the crime rate in the UK from before their more stringent gun laws and after? That gives you a comparison over time, and gee you might find that they had an even lesser crime rate before they restricted gun rights, which would have made them even less crime prone than us.

Their gun crime rate went down after they banned guns.

Their gun crime rate is lower per capita than the US.

Any questions?

Their "gun" crime rate or their "total" crime rate? Are you happier if a woman gets raped at knife point, just because there was no gun?

Total crime rate can trend down because of improvements in law enforcement.

Of course people will resort to other weapons. Do you think the shooter in NY yesterday could have killed/injured 39 people with a knife?

A knife is a close quarters weapon, and its killing potential drops significantly outside an arm's reach.

Put four men into a room about 40 feet long. On one side, put three men with no weapon but their bare hands. On the other side, put one man with a gun. That one man can easily disable the other three.

Now run that same scenario with the lone man having a knife.

Fortunately, not all of us live our entire lives in 40 foot long rooms.

 

[jpeyton]

Yesterday in the thread about the NY shootings, I repeatedly heard people saying "if only the people inside had guns on them, it wouldn't have happened". That's a common argument from gun proponents. They believe the mere presence of a weapon will turn a normal person into Wyatt Earp.

The PA cops had guns on them. Why did they get killed? As cops, they have more experience, training and skill with a gun than your typical gun-carrying citizen.

 

[JohnnyGage]

When you have only seconds, cops are minutes away.

 

[MikeMike]

so jpeyton...

does the war on drugs work?

if it does, then i will let you have your viewpoint.
if you feel it does not, then why would a war on guns work?

does teaching abstinence work?
if you feel it does, then i will let you have your viewpoint
if you feel it does not, then why would abstinence of guns work?

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Yesterday in the thread about the NY shootings, I repeatedly heard people saying "if only the people inside had guns on them, it wouldn't have happened". That's a common argument from gun proponents. They believe the mere presence of a weapon will turn a normal person into Wyatt Earp.

The PA cops had guns on them. Why did it happen?

Element of surprise, cover, first to act offense and so on trumps all as in Oakland or this PA case.

their argument is yeah the NY shooter would have gotten a few but not as many, if, while shooting was occurring, a sheepdog blasted suspect. I don't like to speculate on unknown but it makes some sense.

Don't you worry about our, CCW holders, will to pull the trigger - there are thousands of civilians that prevent crimes and kill criminals every year like stories POW posts.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: daishi5

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: daishi5
You seem to fail at the most basic comparisons, why don't you compare the crime rate in the UK from before their more stringent gun laws and after? That gives you a comparison over time, and gee you might find that they had an even lesser crime rate before they restricted gun rights, which would have made them even less crime prone than us.

Their gun crime rate went down after they banned guns.

Their gun crime rate is lower per capita than the US.

Any questions?

Their "gun" crime rate or their "total" crime rate? Are you happier if a woman gets raped at knife point, just because there was no gun?

Total crime rate can trend down because of improvements in law enforcement.

Of course people will resort to other weapons. Do you think the shooter in NY yesterday could have killed/injured 39 people with a knife?

A knife is a close quarters weapon, and its killing potential drops significantly outside an arm's reach.

Put four men into a room about 40 feet long. On one side, put three men with no weapon but their bare hands. On the other side, put one man with a gun. That one man can easily disable the other three.

Now run that same scenario with the lone man having a knife.

He could have killed them all with a 55 gallon drum of gas and a match.

 

[outriding]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Sacrilege

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: daishi5
We have seen the evidence from other countries banning guns does not reduce their crime rate.

Compare the per capita murder rate between the UK and US.

How about a comparison of Mexico and the US

Mexico has some of the strictest gun laws in the world. It is in many ways similar to the United Kingdom, except with much more severe prison terms for even the smallest gun law violations.

It would be infinitely more valid to compare two developed "western" nations like the UK and the US, don't you think?

Switzerland (western / developed)

Switzerland requires every male over the age of 20 to own an assault rifle (specifically SIG 550 in 5.56 cal.).

In one study by David Kopel of seven countries, including the United States and Japan, Switzerland is found to be one of the safest countries in the study.

According to Charlton Heston, America's high crime rate is because it is a melting pot of ethnicity. :disgust:

When in fact, most crime is committed "within race."

I think the reason is because of the high level of hate and violence ingrained in the American psyche. Just look at this thread, people are calling for the death of their fellow forum members. People hate others because they are at war with themselves.

No one is actually calling for the death of their fellow forum members. Sounds like you have some problems separating real life from an internet message board.

DIAF

What does DIAF stand for?

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
does the war on drugs work?

Imagine if the VATech guy decided to hot-box a classroom of 30 kids instead of shoot them.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
does the war on drugs work?

Imagine if the VATech guy decided to hot-box a classroom of 30 kids instead of shoot them.

you know, i gave you 6 total possible questions, only 3 answers were possible

but no, your inept ability to provide valid arguments for your own purpose, has you beating around the bush... this is why P&N is useless, most of the posters would rather just argue and beat around the bush than just try and explain themselves.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Zebo
He could have killed them all with a 55 gallon drum of gas and a match.

When is the last time you carried a 55 gallon drum of gas discreetly into a classroom?

That only weighs about...500 pounds or so? Piece of cake for a 40-year old scrawny Asian guy.