Police Officers unloads bullets right into the K-9 Dog

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: Beachboy

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Beachboy

They mostly teach the dogs to be vicious and bite with no command for "stop"(not one that works anyway, dog owners know what I mean) they simply pull the dog off the perp after he is being mauled.

That's not true. I've seen video of a trained police dog. The dog would run at the criminal and as soon as the criminal surrendered the dog would yield. Often the dog doesn't even have to attack, just the site of a big dog running at you is enough to subdue some criminals.

QFT. I don't see where he getting his info that there's no effective command for "stop". As a previous dog owner and someone who's trained animals (including German Shepards)...no I do not know what you mean. Perhaps you should spend more time training your dog(s) if you're an owner.

There was a great show on Discovery, K-9 Bootcamp. Give it a watch and educate yourself.

A dog working in the field versus one in training are two entirely different scenarios. How is the dog supposed to hear the commands over the gunfire?

Right. A dog in the field is thus already trained. If trained properly, as many K-9s are, it should act appropriately to the handlers commands. We weren't discussing this dog in particular, you were making an incorrect statement about K-9s in general. Anyway, I don't know if they can hear over the gun fire, usually cops don't fire their guns when the dog is in the way. *shrug*

 

[Howard]

I hope it didn't feel much pain. Looked like it died almost instantly.

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy
It's sad that the dog was shot, but you guys want to press murder charges?! A dog is a dog, not a human.

While I agree that a dog isn't a human, it's a police dog. In the eyes of the law, a police dog is a police officer. Kill a police dog is tantamount to killing a police officer.

As I mentioned in my previous post, I'm pretty sure (although not positive) that this isn't true. I know that I've seen the charge "assaulting a police dog" listed somewhere, so I know that, at the least, it exists and is separate from "assaulting a police officer."

 

[JEDI]

since the video link isnt working, can someone explain why the cops shot their own k9 dog!?

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: JEDI
since the video link isnt working, can someone explain why the cops shot their own k9 dog!?

From what some of us can tell, because they're morons who need re-training.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak

Originally posted by: yllus
lol, I'm pretty sure it's not a murder charge. Maybe something like assaulting an officer though.

My understanding was a police dog is treated as a full police officer. If you kill a police dog, you should be charged with murdering an officer of the law. End of story.

Boy, you people have a really strange vision of how the law works. Killing a dog is not, under any circumstances, treated the same as killing a human being, and it certainly isn't murder.

I'm pretty sure there's a separate charge for assaulting a police dog. I've seen it listed somewhere before (either on an actual rap sheet for an individual, or on a list of charges and their associated punishments), and the repercussions, I believe, were somewhat similar to manslaughter, or possibly a bit less.

Negative. AFAIK no jurisdiction in the US has such a law. Here in Minnesota, this is punishable by two years in prison max (even second-degree manslaughter has a max of ten years).

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: Beachboy
I love dogs more than the average person but I think using them for police work is cruel to the dog and extremely archaic to boot.

They mostly teach the dogs to be vicious and bite with no command for "stop"(not one that works anyway, dog owners know what I mean) they simply pull the dog off the perp after he is being mauled.

If the dog wasn't there this situation probably would've ended with another guy in jail. Just plain stupid on so many levels.

I have a K9 what your saying is completely false. I can call off Clint in mid attack on command, I've had to abort him once when someone picked up one of my kids and he charged (that was what he was supposed to do). On command he stopped and waited for instructions.

On top of that police dogs save numerous officer lives every year. And frankly as much as I like dog's (I have two sheppards including the k9) I'd much rather see a dog killed in the line of duty than a person. It's just sad that in this case it was clearly unnesiccary.

Bill

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: tomywishbone
That's exactly the type of thing you'd expect, when you give cowards-thugs-cops guns and turn them lose. Totally predictable.

Most unfortunate about the dog.

I think your an idiot. But the P&N crowd will welcome you with open arms.

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak

Originally posted by: yllus
lol, I'm pretty sure it's not a murder charge. Maybe something like assaulting an officer though.

My understanding was a police dog is treated as a full police officer. If you kill a police dog, you should be charged with murdering an officer of the law. End of story.

Boy, you people have a really strange vision of how the law works. Killing a dog is not, under any circumstances, treated the same as killing a human being, and it certainly isn't murder.

I'm pretty sure there's a separate charge for assaulting a police dog. I've seen it listed somewhere before (either on an actual rap sheet for an individual, or on a list of charges and their associated punishments), and the repercussions, I believe, were somewhat similar to manslaughter, or possibly a bit less.

Negative. AFAIK no jurisdiction in the US has such a law. Here in Minnesota, this is punishable by two years in prison max (even second-degree manslaughter has a max of ten years).

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The first is a link to a story where a man was charged with assaulting a police dog (which seemed to carry the same sentence as assaulting a police officer), and the second is the first legal link that popped up when I googled "assaulting a police dog."

Not saying that all, or even most, cities have such an ordinance, but they do seem to exist.

 

[Shawn]

It definitely sounded like one of the police officers started shooting first. The perp didn't shoot at all.

 

[lyssword]

I don't fvcking get it, you are crying about a fvcking dog, while an UNARMED HUMAN was dying? You should just fvcking kill yourselves, you all are embarrassment to the human race.. Obviously the cops wanted to get some "action" and they didn't care if the suspect surrendered or if the dog was in the way, what a bunch of incompetent pricks..

 

[Vic]

Wow... I sleep sooo much better at night knowing that this kind of moronic murdering bumbling is what we can expect from the police that are supposed to protect us. :|

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: lyssword
I don't fvcking get it, you are crying about a fvcking dog, while an UNARMED HUMAN was dying? You should just fvcking kill yourselves, you all are embarrassment to the human race.. Obviously the cops wanted to get some "action" and they didn't care if the suspect surrendered or if the dog was in the way, what a bunch of incompetent pricks..

Well, he WAS armed. And besides, many people have already cried foul about all that. But the topic of this thread is about the dog, not the perp.

 

[Number1]

Originally posted by: lyssword
I don't fvcking get it, you are crying about a fvcking dog, while an UNARMED HUMAN was dying? You should just fvcking kill yourselves, you all are embarrassment to the human race.. Obviously the cops wanted to get some "action" and they didn't care if the suspect surrendered or if the dog was in the way, what a bunch of incompetent pricks..

I did see the video
When the police started shooting the suspect was armed. He did not have a chance after the shooting started. His lost of bodily functions probably resulted in him loosing his pistol. The police are trained to shoot to kill.

It is sad that the dog died.
It is sad that the suspect died.

I am n not going to kill myself but I am glad that you are embarassed.

DIAWC
That is all.

 

[Eli]

Mirror?

 

[lyssword]

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: lyssword
I don't fvcking get it, you are crying about a fvcking dog, while an UNARMED HUMAN was dying? You should just fvcking kill yourselves, you all are embarrassment to the human race.. Obviously the cops wanted to get some "action" and they didn't care if the suspect surrendered or if the dog was in the way, what a bunch of incompetent pricks..

I did see the video
When the police started shooting the suspect was armed. He did not have a chance after the shooting started. His lost of bodily functions probably resulted in him loosing his pistol. The police are trained to shoot to kill.

It is sad that the dog died.
It is sad that the suspect died.

I am n not going to kill myself but I am glad that you are embarassed.

DIAWC
That is all.

umm no, he threw the weapon out (what looked like out of his pocket) voluntarily.. The cops started swearing because one of them shot too early with his smg, while the cop was still negotiating with suspect.. "if you don't come out with your gun down, i'm gona shoot. If you don't come out... *police start blasting, and he throws away the weapon, dog and suspect are gunned down* the cop didn't finish the sentence..

 

[Dacalo]

Originally posted by: lyssword
I don't fvcking get it, you are crying about a fvcking dog, while an UNARMED HUMAN was dying? You should just fvcking kill yourselves, you all are embarrassment to the human race.. Obviously the cops wanted to get some "action" and they didn't care if the suspect surrendered or if the dog was in the way, what a bunch of incompetent pricks..

QFT. I love dogs, in fact, we own one. But it's just a dog, more expendable than a human. Those cops just gunned down a human being! And people here b!tching (no pun inteded) about the dog, just makes me sick.

 

[Sketcher]

Now matter how you view it, those police need training in how to use their firearms.

They had time to set up, time to plan their shot, were close enough to actually hit their target and automatic weapon or not should have put more rounds into the target than the surrounding area. I'm not saying the guy didn't deserve to be shot and or shot dead; but that's just pathetic.

 

[lyssword]

Originally posted by: Sketcher
Now matter how you view it, those police need training in how to use their firearms.

They had time to set up, time to plan their shot, were close enough to actually hit their target and automatic weapon or not should have put more rounds into the target than the surrounding area. I'm not saying the guy didn't deserve to be shot and or shot dead; but that's just pathetic.

Hmm now that I think about it, the loose dog may have actually triggered the response of a badly-trained officer who got scared by a fast moving object and started shooting in that direction.. Thats just a theory tho, because the dog appears after they start shooting, and the camera angle doesn't show much..

 

[Eli]

Whoa... that video is ****** up...

He's alive for so long.. lol

 

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: lyssword

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: lyssword
I don't fvcking get it, you are crying about a fvcking dog, while an UNARMED HUMAN was dying? You should just fvcking kill yourselves, you all are embarrassment to the human race.. Obviously the cops wanted to get some "action" and they didn't care if the suspect surrendered or if the dog was in the way, what a bunch of incompetent pricks..

I did see the video
When the police started shooting the suspect was armed. He did not have a chance after the shooting started. His lost of bodily functions probably resulted in him loosing his pistol. The police are trained to shoot to kill.

It is sad that the dog died.
It is sad that the suspect died.

I am n not going to kill myself but I am glad that you are embarassed.

DIAWC
That is all.

umm no, he threw the weapon out (what looked like out of his pocket) voluntarily.. The cops started swearing because one of them shot too early with his smg, while the cop was still negotiating with suspect.. "if you don't come out with your gun down, i'm gona shoot. If you don't come out... *police start blasting, and he throws away the weapon, dog and suspect are gunned down* the cop didn't finish the sentence..

Video Sync is OFF!! they did NOT start shooting first. The perp made a sudden movement to throw away his gun as the dog ran in and an officer with an itchy finger started to fire. Then everyone else continued. The first officer to start shooting is a dumb ****** idiot.

He WAS armed. Until he dropped it. Had he been slow and just put it to the ground he could have lived. Think about it. He had so many opportunities. He kept saying he was going to shoot if the dog came in. The dog came in and then he made a sudden movement... he set himself up for that.

Now the fact that no police officer came to check him is very odd... I don't know why they wouldn't or atleast come up to the dog.

You could tell it was a poor neighborhood... coincidence? The man was also black... surprised noone mentioned that.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Praxis1452

Originally posted by: lyssword

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: lyssword
I don't fvcking get it, you are crying about a fvcking dog, while an UNARMED HUMAN was dying? You should just fvcking kill yourselves, you all are embarrassment to the human race.. Obviously the cops wanted to get some "action" and they didn't care if the suspect surrendered or if the dog was in the way, what a bunch of incompetent pricks..

I did see the video
When the police started shooting the suspect was armed. He did not have a chance after the shooting started. His lost of bodily functions probably resulted in him loosing his pistol. The police are trained to shoot to kill.

It is sad that the dog died.
It is sad that the suspect died.

I am n not going to kill myself but I am glad that you are embarassed.

DIAWC
That is all.

umm no, he threw the weapon out (what looked like out of his pocket) voluntarily.. The cops started swearing because one of them shot too early with his smg, while the cop was still negotiating with suspect.. "if you don't come out with your gun down, i'm gona shoot. If you don't come out... *police start blasting, and he throws away the weapon, dog and suspect are gunned down* the cop didn't finish the sentence..

Video Sync is OFF!! they did NOT start shooting first. The perp made a sudden movement to throw away his gun as the dog ran in and an officer with an itchy finger started to fire. Then everyone else continued. The first officer to start shooting is a dumb ****** idiot.

He WAS armed. Until he dropped it. Had he been slow and just put it to the ground he could have lived. Think about it. He had so many opportunities. He kept saying he was going to shoot if the dog came in. The dog came in and then he made a sudden movement... he set himself up for that.

Now the fact that no police officer came to check him is very odd... I don't know why they wouldn't or atleast come up to the dog.

You could tell it was a poor neighborhood... coincidence? The man was also black... surprised noone mentioned that.

why has nobody mentioned it? because it really does not matter.

the guy had a gun he threatened to shoot. he refused to give the gun up.

he was not gunned down because he was black. he was gunned down because some cops were not trained properly.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: Praxis1452
Video Sync is OFF!! they did NOT start shooting first. The perp made a sudden movement to throw away his gun as the dog ran in and an officer with an itchy finger started to fire. Then everyone else continued. The first officer to start shooting is a dumb ****** idiot.

He WAS armed. Until he dropped it. Had he been slow and just put it to the ground he could have lived. Think about it. He had so many opportunities. He kept saying he was going to shoot if the dog came in. The dog came in and then he made a sudden movement... he set himself up for that.

Now the fact that no police officer came to check him is very odd... I don't know why they wouldn't or atleast come up to the dog.

You could tell it was a poor neighborhood... coincidence? The man was also black... surprised noone mentioned that.

I just don't think anyone is trying to open that can of worms, as it wouldn't have mattered anyway. Let's not start now.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak

Originally posted by: yllus
lol, I'm pretty sure it's not a murder charge. Maybe something like assaulting an officer though.

My understanding was a police dog is treated as a full police officer. If you kill a police dog, you should be charged with murdering an officer of the law. End of story.

Boy, you people have a really strange vision of how the law works. Killing a dog is not, under any circumstances, treated the same as killing a human being, and it certainly isn't murder.

I'm pretty sure there's a separate charge for assaulting a police dog. I've seen it listed somewhere before (either on an actual rap sheet for an individual, or on a list of charges and their associated punishments), and the repercussions, I believe, were somewhat similar to manslaughter, or possibly a bit less.

Negative. AFAIK no jurisdiction in the US has such a law. Here in Minnesota, this is punishable by two years in prison max (even second-degree manslaughter has a max of ten years).

Text

and

Text

The first is a link to a story where a man was charged with assaulting a police dog (which seemed to carry the same sentence as assaulting a police officer), and the second is the first legal link that popped up when I googled "assaulting a police dog."

Not saying that all, or even most, cities have such an ordinance, but they do seem to exist.

I never meant there were no such laws (I linked to one), just that killing a police dog is never charged as a murder (as was stated above), nor is it sentenced like one. I can see that my post was unclear, though.

 

[Kanalua]

wow...they totally shot that guy without him shooting first, or threatening the officers with his gun. Mind you, I would still ere on the side of caution with the cops, but dang...

And the poor K-9 dog gets caught in the cross fire...sad...

So...who is more sad over the loss of the dog, and who is more sad that the human being is likely killed?