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Police murder 80-year old man in bed, try to alter evidence

QuantumPion

QuantumPion

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From http://reason.com/reasontv/2014/02/13/police-shoot-kill-80-year-old

The deputies crashed through the front gate and began executing a search warrant for methamphetamine on the property. Detective Patrick Hobbs, a self-described narcotics expert who claimed he "smelled the strong odor of chemicals" downwind from the house after being tipped off to illegal activity from an anonymous informant, spearheaded the investigation.


Deputies approached the house, and what happened next is where things get murky. The deputies said they announced their presence upon entering and were met in the hallway by the 80-year-old man, wielding a gun and stumbling towards them. The deputies later changed the story when the massive bloodstains on Mallory's mattress indicated to investigators that he'd most likely been in bed at the time of the shooting. Investigators also found that an audio recording of the incident revealed a discrepancy in the deputies' original narrative:

Before listening to the audio recording, [Sgt. John] Bones believed that he told Mallory to "Drop the gun" prior to the shooting. The recording revealed, however, that his commands to "Drop the gun" occurred immediately after the shooting.

When it was all over, Eugene Mallory died of six gunshot wounds from Sgt. John Bones' MP-5 9mm submachine gun. When a coroner arrived, he found the loaded .22 caliber pistol the two deputies claimed Mallory had pointed at them on the bedside table.

Mallory had not fired a single shot. The raid turned up no evidence of methamphetamine on the property.
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All of these officers should be guilty of first degree murder. But I'm sure they will avoid any punishment whatsoever. More evidence of the breakdown of the rule of law in the U.S.
 
So they show up, the wife, stepson, friends, and handyman are all come out from separate trailers and are taken into custody without incident, but then the cops decide to shoot the 80 year old in his trailer for no reason? You know, it couldn't have had anything to do with the loaded gun he had with him?
 
First degree shows intent to murder. They didn have that but they are guilty of second degree. Moreover lying about circumstances I hope they spend many years in prison.

Also can somebody tell me why he fuck police on raids STILL are not all wearing cameras to film what is transporting? Come on this is full on bullshit.
 
DominionSeraph said:
So they show up, the wife, stepson, friends, and handyman are all come out from separate trailers and are taken into custody without incident, but then the cops decide to shoot the 80 year old in his trailer for no reason? You know, it couldn't have had anything to do with the loaded gun he had with him?
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You think it is acceptable for the police to conduct raids based on anonymous tips, breaking into people's homes in the middle of the night unannounced, and shoot an 80 year old man in his bed dead because he probably thought his house was being broken into? Don't you think the police should have to use some semblance of common sense to prevent such casualties from occurring?
 
QuantumPion said:
You think it is acceptable for the police to conduct raids based on anonymous tips, breaking into people's homes in the middle of the night unannounced, and shoot an 80 year old man in his bed dead because he probably thought his house was being broken into? Don't you think the police should have to use some semblance of common sense to prevent such casualties from occurring?
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Not to mention lie about the incident. Why lie if the guy had a gun??
 
Doppel said:
First degree shows intent to murder. They didn have that but they are guilty of second degree. Moreover lying about circumstances I hope they spend many years in prison.

Also can somebody tell me why he fuck police on raids STILL are not all wearing cameras to film what is transporting? Come on this is full on bullshit.
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It's felony murder. Killing someone in the act of a crime - a criminally negligent no-knock warrant based on an anonymous tip with clear danger to innocent occupants without taking reasonable precautions to protect innocents. The cover up is evidence of mens rea.
 
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Genx87 said:
Not to mention lie about the incident. Why lie if the guy had a gun??
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Did the guy really have a gun in his hand? The only evidence is the word of the police which have already been found to be lying about other details of the incident indicating the officers were at fault.
 
I read this and it is just more evidence of how our "over militarized" law enforcement is running amok in this country. The fact they lied and altered evidence is endemic of even wider issues.
 
QuantumPion said:
It's felony murder. Killing someone in the act of a crime - a criminally negligent no-knock warrant based on an anonymous tip with clear danger to innocent occupants without taking reasonable precautions to protect innocents.
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Ah, so people come out of two separate trailers because they hear the cops announce themselves, but it's a "no-knock."
 
I'm sure no bad consequences will happen to any of these cops. Maybe an unpaid vacation at the worst.
 
DominionSeraph said:
Ah, so people come out of two separate trailers because they hear the cops announce themselves, but it's a "no-knock."
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Notice it was the 80 year old who died. Likely the most crippled and incapable of properly hearing / responding to their deadly assault. Probably heard some loud scary noises and didn't know wtf was going on.
 
DominionSeraph said:
You know, it couldn't have had anything to do with the loaded gun he had with him?
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Just because there's a gun present in the room shouldn't be a legitimate reason for them to shoot him.

Now I'm pretty much a know nothing about guns but I find it hard to believe that if he was sitting up in bed and pointing a gun at the officers and was then shot 6 times with an mp5 that the gun would then fall neatly onto the night stand.
 
No matter what happens, mistakenly shooting a cop in self defense is not really a good defense at all what with that "daily risking their lives in the line of duty" thingy. It seems to me that in the moral and legal tangle of things, it is somehow more "acceptable" for a cop to mistakenly shoot a law abiding citizen than if their roles were reversed.

However, I do think that the "shit happens" defense isn't going to cut it as easily as the police would like it to be in this case.
 
Jaskalas said:
Notice it was the 80 year old who died. Likely the most crippled and incapable of properly hearing / responding to their deadly assault. Probably heard some loud scary noises and didn't know wtf was going on.
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*pssst* The gun wielder is responsible for his actions. If you're not competent enough to identify if someone is a cop with a search warrant, you're not competent enough to be pointing a gun at anyone.
 
QuantumPion said:
You think it is acceptable for the police to conduct raids based on anonymous tips, breaking into people's homes in the middle of the night unannounced, and shoot an 80 year old man in his bed dead because he probably thought his house was being broken into? Don't you think the police should have to use some semblance of common sense to prevent such casualties from occurring?
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I would call this, at a minimum, a very unfortunate incident and, at worst, second degree murder. I tend to doubt it was in fact murder, however.

Whether or not you agree with the issuance of the no-knock warrant, they had one, and were authorized to enter his home without knocking. It certainly sounds as though the poor old man reasonably thought he was being burglarized and drew a gun on the cops. The cops, perhaps also reasonably, shot him. The only hesitation I have about calling this a justified shooting is that the police lied about it after the fact.
 
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I'm sure we're all looking forward to the day when the police no longer have to cover up their shootings. :sneaky: D:
 
tweaker2 said:
No matter what happens, mistakenly shooting a cop in self defense is not really a good defense at all what with that "daily risking their lives in the line of duty" thingy. It seems to me that in the moral and legal tangle of things, it is somehow more "acceptable" for a cop to mistakenly shoot a law abiding citizen than if their roles were reversed.
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Fuck that. It's one of the dangers of the job that you may get shot at in your work as a cop. It shouldn't be one of the dangers of being a law abiding citizen that you get shot by the police.





DominionSeraph said:
*pssst* The gun wielder is responsible for his actions. If you're not competent enough to identify if someone is a cop with a search warrant, you're not competent enough to be pointing a gun at anyone.
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Except there's no actual evidence that he pointed the gun at anybody.
 
DominionSeraph said:
*pssst* The gun wielder is responsible for his actions. If you're not competent enough to identify if someone is a cop with a search warrant, you're not competent enough to be pointing a gun at anyone.
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He did not fire at them. His actions were responsible with no evidence to the contrary. My argument is that they took him by surprise.
 
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