Police mace the hell out of peaceful OWS protesters

[MotionMan]

I don't understand why the pepper spray is a huge deal. Last week I saw live footage of campus officers jab the ribs and arms or protestors and nothing was really said. I was quite shocked to see them smacking away at these people....shocked but not saddened or angry by it.

They should just get a really loud sound device and say "We are going to turn it up 1 decibal every 10 seconds. You are free to stay or leave but don't blame us if your ear drums rupture".

Clearly, any method that is used to remove the protesters will be decried. It does not matter if it is pepper spray, batons, "deadlifts" or sound devices.

MotionMan

 

[theeedude]

She's apologizing.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...test-article-1.981194?localLinksEnabled=false

“I am here to apologize,” the chancellor said to hundreds gathered on the campus quad yesterday. “I really feel horrible for what happened on Friday. If you think you don’t want to be students at the university we had on Friday, I’m just telling you that I don’t want to be chancellor of the university that we had on Friday.”

 

[Phokus]

Well, at least you acknowledge that.



In fact, the purpose of my hypotheticals is to highlight the holes in your logic.



I have not eaten a ghost chili or been sprayed with pepper spray. However, if I was told by cops that if I did not leave the area they would make me eat a chili or would spray me with pepper spray, I would leave and argue the Constitutionality of their actions at a later time.



I have yet to be wrong in this thread. 100% correct in every single respect.

Now, back to my question which you have failed to answer at least three times:

If the cops were not intentionally trying to injure the protestors, and the protesters suffered broken limbs and dislocated shoulders when the cops tried to physically remove them, you would be OK with that?

You see, you keep alleging that the cops should have deadlifted the protestors instead of spraying them. I am wondering if you really believe that. So, just answer the question.

MotionMan

You haven't been right once? You argued with me about those other protestors winning their lawsuit. Then i quoted the passage that showed it, then you had to concede like a little bitch. You pulling the 'esquire' signature at the end of one of your posts to try to appeal to authority is one of the most embarrassing things i've ever seen. You also argued with me when i pointed out that the Police Dept made a justification for the use of pepper spray and you basically thought, 'nope, nobody said shit'. You want me to look that up as well?

You're not even making a point here either. There's a small risk that someone will get injured with pepper spray or forcibly moving your arms, there's an almost 100% certainty that you'll be in immense pain if you get pepper spray in your face.

You are literally lionel hutz. What fucking law school did you go to?

 

[Phokus]

Clearly, any method that is used to remove the protesters will be decried. It does not matter if it is pepper spray, batons, "deadlifts" or sound devices.

MotionMan

Clearly you need your license to practice law revoked. You're a complete imbecile. The use of pepper spray has clearly been a much more contentious issue than being physically restrained and arrested. You are literally making shit up as you go along.

 

[Phokus]

She's apologizing.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...test-article-1.981194?localLinksEnabled=false

I'm guessing she consulted her lawyers and realized that the people involved were in the wrong, based on federal law. Too bad non-lawyer lawyers like MotionMan don't get this.

 

[MotionMan]

You haven't been right once? You argued with me about those other protestors winning their lawsuit. Then i quoted the passage that showed it, then you had to concede like a little bitch.

I did not argue with you about it. I said I had not seen that. Then you showed it to me.

You pulling the 'esquire' signature at the end of one of your posts to try to appeal to authority is one of the most embarrassing things i've ever seen.

I do that to show that I am not talking out of my ass, like some people here tend to do. I actually practice law for a living and I have no problem pulling that out to show I know what I am talking about.

You also argued with me when i pointed out that the Police Dept made a justification for the use of pepper spray and you basically thought, 'nope, nobody said shit'. You want me to look that up as well?

Where did I say that no one made a justification? I said that I have not seen any statements from the frontline cops and I did not care what the talking heads said.

You're not even making a point here either. There's a small risk that someone will get injured with pepper spray or forcibly moving your arms, there's an almost 100% certainty that you'll be in immense pain if you get pepper spray in your face.

Which is why, when threatened with pepper spray, one should move along.

You are literally lionel hutz. What fucking law school did you go to?

Pepperdine University in beautiful Malibu, California.

Which law school did you go to? How many civil rights cases have you handled?

MotionMan

 

[Ninjahedge]

I'm guessing she consulted her lawyers and realized that the people involved were in the wrong, based on federal law. Too bad non-lawyer lawyers like MotionMan don't get this.

Actually... She probably consulted her staff about all the alumni complaints and figured better to eat crow and apologize than lose funding.


See? Money DOES talk.

 

[theeedude]

I'm guessing she consulted her lawyers and realized that the people involved were in the wrong, based on federal law. Too bad non-lawyer lawyers like MotionMan don't get this.

She probably consulted her PR guy who told her the only way she has a chance of staying in her job is to turn on the police who did what she ordered them to do.

 

[MotionMan]

Clearly you need your license to practice law revoked. You're a complete imbecile. The use of pepper spray has clearly been a much more contentious issue than being physically restrained and arrested. You are literally making shit up as you go along.

So removal by force is OK with you, even if it accidentally (NOT purposely) results in broken bones or dislocated shoulders?

MotionMan

 

[MotionMan]

She probably consulted her PR guy who told her the only way she has a chance of staying in her job is to turn on the police who did what she ordered them to do.

This.

MotionMan

 

[torpid]

So removal by force is OK with you, even if it accidentally (NOT purposely) results in broken bones or dislocated shoulders?

I am still not understanding how this will happen if handled properly. I suppose "handled properly" is a big caveat in this case, given what we saw.

 

[MotionMan]

I'm guessing she consulted her lawyers and realized that the people involved were in the wrong, based on federal law. Too bad non-lawyer lawyers like MotionMan don't get this.

You are guessing wrong since no laws were broken.

It is much more likely, as mentioned below, that she is concerned with PR and alumni funding.

BTW, if I am a "non-lawyer lawyer", doesn't that make you a "non-lawyer non-lawyer"? 😉

MotionMan

 

[MotionMan]

I am still not understanding how this will happen if handled properly. I suppose "handled properly" is a big caveat in this case, given what we saw.

People here are advocating "deadlifting" the protestors with 4-5 cops to one protester until their arms unlock rather than pepper-spraying the protesters. That has a high probability of resulting in broken arms and dislocated shoulders. I am just trying to confirm that those who advocate this method are cool with the injuries to the protesters.

MotionMan

 

[Phokus]

I did not argue with you about it. I said I had not seen that. Then you showed it to me.



I do that to show that I am not talking out of my ass, like some people here tend to do. I actually practice law for a living and I have no problem pulling that out to show I know what I am talking about.



Where did I say that no one made a justification? I said that I have not seen any statements from the frontline cops and I did not care what the talking heads said.



Which is why, when threatened with pepper spray, one should move along.



Pepperdine University in beautiful Malibu, California.

Which law school did you go to? How many civil rights cases have you handled?

MotionMan

Yeah, nice try at revisionist history:

That just means they can get past the pleadings stage. It does not establish that use of pepper spray against peaceful protesters is, per se, excessive.

Feh.

MotionMan

No, it doesn't. It establishes that they can get past a Motion to Dismiss and proceed to the discovery stage. If they then get past the inevitable Motion for Summary Judgment, then they can try the case.

Have you handled many civil rights cases?

MotionMan, Esq.

FROM THE SAME DAMN ARTICLE YOU WERE RESPONDING TO THE WHOLE TIME:

Link?

MotionMan

A third jury trial was held in April 2005. At this trial, police practices experts for each party testified. The jury returned a verdict in favor of plaintiffs, finding that defendants' application of pepper spray to plaintiffs constituted excessive force. Nominal damages were awarded to plaintiffs in the amount of $1 each. On May 3, 2005, the Court entered judgment in favor of plaintiffs.

123char

Gotcha.

Still, I think the application of pepper spray via q-tip is way worse that being sprayed en group from a couple feet away.

We must agree to disagree.

MotionMan

Also, the 'talking head' happened to be the officer's boss. So are you saying he was making shit up? That's institutional corruption right there.

 

[Phokus]

So removal by force is OK with you, even if it accidentally (NOT purposely) results in broken bones or dislocated shoulders?

MotionMan

Yes, this 'accidental injury' canard is such bullshit and has nothing to do with anything. The point is, the use of pepper spray is well beyond reasonable in this case and federal law backs this up.

I'm thinking YOU need to get pepper sprayed just to see how it's not a joke whatsoever, although talking to you, you seem to be the type of guy to pull a Sean Hannity and not go through with it (like he does with water torture).

 

[MotionMan]

Yeah, nice try at revisionist history:

FROM THE SAME DAMN ARTICLE YOU WERE RESPONDING TO THE WHOLE TIME:

Right, I asked for a link, you gave me the quote and I acknowledged that.

Also, the 'talking head' happened to be the officer's boss. So are you saying he was making shit up? That's institutional corruption right there.

I believe that talking heads either have bad information that they state without properly confirming it or they make shit up to try to cover the institutions ass. In any event, it does not change what actually happened, which is why I care not what the talking heads say.

MotionMan

 

[MotionMan]

Yes, this 'accidental injury' canard is such bullshit and has nothing to do with anything. The point is, the use of pepper spray is well beyond reasonable in this case and federal law backs this up.

I'm thinking YOU need to get pepper sprayed just to see how it's not a joke whatsoever, although talking to you, you seem to be the type of guy to pull a Sean Hannity and not go through with it (like he does with water torture).

If not pepper spray, what is your approved method to remove such protesters?

MotionMan

 

[Phokus]

Right, I asked for a link, you gave me the quote and I acknowledged that.

You asked for a link and i COPIED PASTED FROM THE SAME DAMN ARTICLE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHICH I COPY/PASTED THE ENTIRE CONTENTS BEFORE


You either a) didn't read the article and drew up an inference from your ridiculous imagination or b) you have a serious reading comprehension problem and i don't know how you function as a lawyer.

I believe that talking heads either have bad information that they state without properly confirming it or they make shit up to try to cover the institutions ass. In any event, it does not change what actually happened, which is why I care not what the talking heads say.

MotionMan

Sorry, but the chief is not a 'talking head', it's his fucking boss. A 'talking head' is someone thousands of miles away talking out his ass about the situation on TV.

 

[Phokus]

If not pepper spray, what is your approved method to remove such protesters?

MotionMan

Are you fucking serious?

 

[torpid]

People here are advocating "deadlifting" the protestors with 4-5 cops to one protester until their arms unlock rather than pepper-spraying the protesters. That has a high probability of resulting in broken arms and dislocated shoulders. I am just trying to confirm that those who advocate this method are cool with the injuries to the protesters.

But that's not to say there isn't a relatively low-risk method for 4-5 cops to extract the individuals. Perhaps playing tug-of-war isn't the answer but one puny student's arm vs 4 cops should not require dislocation or breaking.

 

[MotionMan]

You asked for a link and i COPIED PASTED FROM THE SAME DAMN ARTICLE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHICH I COPY/PASTED THE ENTIRE CONTENTS BEFORE


You either a) didn't read the article and drew up an inference from your ridiculous imagination or b) you have a serious reading comprehension problem and i don't know how you function as a lawyer.

Nope, just missed that part of the article. I had skimmed it initially.

Sorry Mr. Perfect.

Sorry, but the chief is not a 'talking head', it's his fucking boss. A 'talking head' is someone thousands of miles away talking out his ass about the situation on TV.

Police Chiefs are talking heads and anyone who gives pressers like that are talking heads.

MotionMan

 

[MotionMan]

Are you fucking serious?

Yes. If not pepper spray, what is your approved method to remove such protesters?

MotionMan

 

[MotionMan]

But that's not to say there isn't a relatively low-risk method for 4-5 cops to extract the individuals. Perhaps playing tug-of-war isn't the answer but one puny student's arm vs 4 cops should not require dislocation or breaking.

But it may happen, nonetheless. If it does happen, is that OK with the tug-of-war advocates?

MotionMan

 

[Phokus]

Nope, just missed that part of the article. I had skimmed it initially.

Sorry Mr. Perfect.

Then how the fuck did you come up with your conclusion. But yeah, that counts as 'being wrong' mr. non-perfect.

Police Chiefs are talking heads and anyone who gives pressers like that are talking heads.

MotionMan

Sorry, but i would be my entire life savings that the police chief interviewed the 2 officers in question about what happened. Either he's lying or the officers are. That doesn't really help your side any. And in either case, this is probably why both the chief and the 2 officers are on leave right now. This, plus the chancellor grovelling like a little bitch, the UC president publicly condemning the action, and the fact that the fucking federal law is on the students side means you are wrong on so many god damned levels.

 

[Phokus]

Yes. If not pepper spray, what is your approved method to remove such protesters?

MotionMan

So besides poor reading comprehension skills and poor logic, short term memory loss can also be added to your list of flaws, eh?