Police Dog Bites Nude Man in the Genitals

[stratman]

from a police officer in TFA:
"...police dogs are trained to bite if their partner is attacked. However, dogs are not trained to bite in the groin area."

:beer:

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: waldo

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: Dissipate
How so? If you and I draw up a contract, but I violate the terms, what obligation do you have to hold up the other end of the bargain in any of the other areas of the contract?

I believe you have implied that you have expressed the idea that the government has indeed violated its "contract" in numerous cases.

Sadly, this doesn't mean by any logical or other rule that I am forced to abandon support for the concept of government.

Not support for the entire concept of government (dear god, we wouldn't want to ask that much of you), but you must have some idea of what government ought to be, and it appears that you want a radically different contract drawn up.

actually you are wrong....it doesn't work that way...there is such a thing called part and substantial performance, which would require you to hold up your end of the bargain. Therefore, if you violate the entire portion of your side of the contract, and teh government has either paritally or substantially performed their part of the contract, you will be in what is called total breach...which basically means, your butt will sit in Jail!

Just thought I would help you out there!! 😉

Partial and substantial performance my @ss! The government has failed at virtually every task it has set out to achieve (war on drugs, war on poverty, war on terrorism, war on crime........). Not only that, but the government is a complete self-contradiction. See this thread here.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: skyking
That's OK, Grunt03.
3chordcharlie's points are quite valid too, IMO.
There are plenty of times that the police handle the mentally ill with compassion and great care. It is simply not newsworthy.
A co-worker told me about the police and fire departments showing up at his grandma's down the street. she had been showing the symptoms of alzhiemers, and they were in that delicate spot of trying to care for her at home, and coming to the realization that she needed 24 hour care.
When my friend asked the officer, who had been referring to his grandma by name, "how do you know her?", he replied, "we come here quite often".........
The stories of compassion and caring are not newsworthy, but if you've been there, you know.

Sadly, you're very right. I don't mind saying that my (thankfully brief) experiences with police officers have not been particularly encouraging, but I know that most of them take pride in doing a good job. The emergency task force in Toronto responds to situations like this (and hostages, suicidal people, etc), with an extraordinary success rate (e.g. they went the entire life of the fox-body mustang without firing a shot😉).

Incidents like this show that there's always room for improvement though.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: skyking
That's OK, Grunt03.
3chordcharlie's points are quite valid too, IMO.
There are plenty of times that the police handle the mentally ill with compassion and great care. It is simply not newsworthy.
A co-worker told me about the police and fire departments showing up at his grandma's down the street. she had been showing the symptoms of alzhiemers, and they were in that delicate spot of trying to care for her at home, and coming to the realization that she needed 24 hour care.
When my friend asked the officer, who had been referring to his grandma by name, "how do you know her?", he replied, "we come here quite often".........
The stories of compassion and caring are not newsworthy, but if you've been there, you know.

Sadly, you're very right. I don't mind saying that my (thankfully brief) experiences with police officers have not been particularly encouraging, but I know that most of them take pride in doing a good job. The emergency task force in Toronto responds to situations like this (and hostages, suicidal people, etc), with an extraordinary success rate (e.g. they went the entire life of the fox-body mustang without firing a shot😉).

Incidents like this show that there's always room for improvement though.

There is huge room for improvement.

How to improve security and eliminate crime in two easy steps:

1. Sell off all government land. All proceeds are divided up amongst the politicians, and they get to resign/retire and buy mansions and live in luxury or whatever. In essence we buy our freedom back. As for government "employees," well scew them, put 'em out to pasture.

2. Allow the free market to take over the task of crime prevention and property protection.

There you go. Buy eliminating all public spaces, and having all land privately owned, any suspicious behavior or crime would be seen as a direct affront to a private property owner, whereby they could have their much more efficient and accountable security force remove them from the property.

 

[3chordcharlie]

@Dissipate:

That wouldn't have solved anything here. There's no reason to suspect that a privately prcured security force would be better able to anticipate someone's actions than police who do it full time already. In fact, chances are many of the same people would be in private security as currently work in law enforcement.

Unless you're simply suggesting that any ethical burden would be removed, and the property owner could just shoot at trespassers?

I think the insane are particularly in need of protection under a social contract, including the ability to detain them against their will if needed - they are by definition irrational!

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
@Dissipate:

That wouldn't have solved anything here. There's no reason to suspect that a privately prcured security force would be better able to anticipate someone's actions than police who do it full time already. In fact, chances are many of the same people would be in private security as currently work in law enforcement.

Unless you're simply suggesting that any ethical burden would be removed, and the property owner could just shoot at trespassers?

I think the insane are particularly in need of protection under a social contract, including the ability to detain them against their will if needed - they are by definition irrational!

Once again you are ignoring the virtually irrefutable laws of economics concerning central planning vs. free market procurement of goods and services. Without a doubt private security forces would provide far more effective and better services than the current police force. This does not have to do with the personnel themselves, it has to do with the fact that they would be rationally allocated, with rational pay, and rational supply. I read a bumper sticker the other day that said:

BELOW AVERAGE PAY FOR ABOVE AVERAGE COPS IS A CRIME

The problem with this bumper sticker is that it is making judgements about something which cannot be judged. How do we know if the police officers are receiving below average pay? How do we even know if they are above average cops? There is absolutely no real market for police officers. Therefore, such assessments are completely pie in the sky speculation. I hear the issue of the number of police officers on the streets come up quite often. Well how do we know how many police officers are really needed? All we can do is rely on the "expert" opinion of some central planner. We do not hear issues of how many automobiles are "needed" for a given year. We do not hear people protesting the "shortage" of automobiles, apples, ice cream or bicycles. Why? Because all of these are procured by the free market which knows at all times almost exactly how many of these items to produce.

Leaving that issue entirely aside, however, we can even assume hypothetically that the private security forces would be equally effecient and effective as the current police force. Even this being the case, the private security force is going to have a MUCH easier time stopping crime. Why is this? Because the most dangerous areas would be completely eliminated: public spaces. Criminals love public areas such as parks, sidewalks and roads. They can roam around these areas and literally walk up to your front doorstep, immediately after getting out of prison! Simply stated, public spaces are breeding grounds for crime and stomping grounds for criminals.

Your shooting the trespassers argument is a complete strawman. Sure there might be some nutcase out there who would murder anyone who set foot on their property, but they are going to be very few, and ostracized by the rest of society. This just goes back to Hobbesian myths that in absence of government we are all going to turn into savages and slaughter each other.

We need to have a "social contract" for the insane, while there are pedophiles living within blocks of our homes, released from prison probably not more than a month ago in some cases? Oh don't worry, the government has put dots on a map indicating their general location. Pah-lese.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Dissipate
We need to have a "social contract" for the insane, while there are pedophiles living within blocks of our homes, released from prison probably not more than a month ago in some cases? Oh don't worry, the government has put dots on a map indicating their general location. Pah-lese.

Red herring; I never said the insane have an irrefutable right to freedom; depending on the particular condition, I think they fall under 'fudiciary duty'.

The concept of eliminating public spaces, or what would become in a free market 'established right of ways' is somewhat absurd. Regardless of who owns the dark alley, it's still a dark alley, y'know?

There is actually a market for police officers - and it's already called private security. However, I agree that it isn't a very good representation of what a real market for police would look like.

 

[TravisT]

Apparently the bite wasn't too bad.... he still has his "pair" apparently. They just needed a little stitching...

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: TravisT
Apparently the bite wasn't too bad.... he still has his "pair" apparently. They just needed a little stitching...

*Instinctively grabs package in highly protective manner*

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Dissipate
There you go. Buy eliminating all public spaces, and having all land privately owned, any suspicious behavior or crime would be seen as a direct affront to a private property owner, whereby they could have their much more efficient and accountable security force remove them from the property.

In related news highlights of the year 2011 from the Dissipated Freejack Non-Federation and Related Outlying Territories, the entire Gunderson family had multiple shotgun pellets removed from their respective asses under semi-sterile conditions (Best West of Cleveland!) at Bob's Freelance Hospital and Occasional Gas Station by Bob, who got his "medical" degree from himself.

A semi-insane Yosemite Sam, the last elected Republican Senator from California (when there was a Senate), noted former cartoon character, and owner since 2009 of Yosemite Park, grinningly explained his actions thusly, "So who's gonna' fvck with me, those meeps from the East Californian Volunteer Home Guard? They can't even get ammunition anymore. Now give me a quarter of get the fvck off my land."

So we shot the crudely penned, Mel Blount mumbling fvck.

Ain't life grand?

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Dissipate
There you go. Buy eliminating all public spaces, and having all land privately owned, any suspicious behavior or crime would be seen as a direct affront to a private property owner, whereby they could have their much more efficient and accountable security force remove them from the property.

In related news highlights of the year 2011 from the Dissipated Freejack Non-Federation and Related Outlying Territories, the entire Gunderson family had multiple shotgun pellets removed from their respective asses under semi-sterile conditions (Best West of Cleveland!) at Bob's Freelance Hospital and Occasional Gas Station by Bob, who got his "medical" degree from himself.

A semi-insane Yosemite Sam, the last elected Republican Senator from California (when there was a Senate), noted former cartoon character, and owner since 2009 of Yosemite Park, grinningly explained his actions thusly, "So who's gonna' fvck with me, those meeps from the East Californian Volunteer Home Guard? They can't even get ammunition anymore. Now give me a quarter of get the fvck off my land."

So we shot the crudely penned, Mel Blount mumbling fvck.

Ain't life grand?

More of the same blather from charlie. *yawn*

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: Dissipate
We need to have a "social contract" for the insane, while there are pedophiles living within blocks of our homes, released from prison probably not more than a month ago in some cases? Oh don't worry, the government has put dots on a map indicating their general location. Pah-lese.

Red herring; I never said the insane have an irrefutable right to freedom; depending on the particular condition, I think they fall under 'fudiciary duty'.

The concept of eliminating public spaces, or what would become in a free market 'established right of ways' is somewhat absurd. Regardless of who owns the dark alley, it's still a dark alley, y'know?

There is actually a market for police officers - and it's already called private security. However, I agree that it isn't a very good representation of what a real market for police would look like.

Who is going to be better at policing a dark alley? A private property owner or a police force that spends most of its time handing out parking tickets, speeding tickets and arresting harmless drug "offenders?" Cops are basically just glorified tax collectors. I don't want tax collectors defending me, I want an accountable and private firm that is paid on a voluntary basis.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Dissipate
There you go. Buy eliminating all public spaces, and having all land privately owned, any suspicious behavior or crime would be seen as a direct affront to a private property owner, whereby they could have their much more efficient and accountable security force remove them from the property.

In related news highlights of the year 2011 from the Dissipated Freejack Non-Federation and Related Outlying Territories, the entire Gunderson family had multiple shotgun pellets removed from their respective asses under semi-sterile conditions (Best West of Cleveland!) at Bob's Freelance Hospital and Occasional Gas Station by Bob, who got his "medical" degree from himself.

A semi-insane Yosemite Sam, the last elected Republican Senator from California (when there was a Senate), noted former cartoon character, and owner since 2009 of Yosemite Park, grinningly explained his actions thusly, "So who's gonna' fvck with me, those meeps from the East Californian Volunteer Home Guard? They can't even get ammunition anymore. Now give me a quarter of get the fvck off my land."

So we shot the crudely penned, Mel Blount mumbling fvck.

Ain't life grand?

More of the same blather from charlie. *yawn*

This is called satire. I think you should give Perknose credit for the post though - I didn't write it.

It was actually pretty amusing, though I doubt anyone thinks life would be quite so bad as all of that.

I'm thinking of awarding myself a medical degree too though 😀

 

[MidasKnight]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Actually it sounds like the police don't know how to handle the mentally ill.

Sounds like the man caused it himself:

While the officer was ordering the suspect out of the house, the suspect began hitting him, police said.

The dog, which was still leashed, bit the suspect to protect the officer.

 

[wchou]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: Dissipate
We need to have a "social contract" for the insane, while there are pedophiles living within blocks of our homes, released from prison probably not more than a month ago in some cases? Oh don't worry, the government has put dots on a map indicating their general location. Pah-lese.

Red herring; I never said the insane have an irrefutable right to freedom; depending on the particular condition, I think they fall under 'fudiciary duty'.

The concept of eliminating public spaces, or what would become in a free market 'established right of ways' is somewhat absurd. Regardless of who owns the dark alley, it's still a dark alley, y'know?

There is actually a market for police officers - and it's already called private security. However, I agree that it isn't a very good representation of what a real market for police would look like.

Who is going to be better at policing a dark alley? A private property owner or a police force that spends most of its time handing out parking tickets, speeding tickets and arresting harmless drug "offenders?" Cops are basically just glorified tax collectors. I don't want tax collectors defending me, I want an accountable and private firm that is paid on a voluntary basis.

all in the name of having more money and exploiting us because we're more scared of them then even a real criminal doing harm to us or them.
Taking advantage of the poor and weak minded is what make America not so great.
sucks to be us. Most of our hard earned cash is used to feed the dogs of the government for no good reason. I may as well give a few bucks to a homeless dude, at least he could make better use of our money and be more appreciative of it. A spoiled overpaid law enforcement is like a punk on the road waiting to sucker its victim when ever they feel like it or just plain bored of their lousy job enforcing the lame laws that treat us like we're dumb, clueless and easily scared.

 

[imported_Condor]

Carry your jewels in a bag and this doesn't happen. The guy must have been crazy!

 

[Grunt03]

Now we are really out in left field with this one......

 

[ciba]

While the insane should certainly be dealt with, officers should be able to respond to someone with mental defects as if they were rational. A police officer doesn't have the time to play psychiatrist when making quick decisions.

 

[Steeplerot]

Get em boy! Raar! bad creepy person!

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Get em boy! Raar! bad creepy person!

Yes, obviously that was the situation in this case.