Police: Daughter slain after she rejects marriage

1prophet

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<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25571617/?GT1=43001">Police say arranged marriage led to killing
Officials say victim was strangled after she said she wanted divorce</a>


JONESBORO, Ga. - A daughter's refusal to stay in an arranged marriage led to her death and resulted in her father's arrest, according to police in Clayton County.

Sandeela Kanwal, 25, was strangled on Sunday, police said.

They allege that Chaudhry Rashid, 54, argued with his daughter, then choked her to death at the family home in Jonesboro.

Rashid was scheduled to appear in court on Monday.

According to a police report, Kanwal was forced into an arranged marriage in Pakistan a few years ago. Police say Kanwal wanted to leave her husband, which angered her father.

Police said Kanwal's husband now lives in Chicago.

Hopefully he doesn't get a slap on the wrist like they do in countries where honor killings are tolerated.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: 1prophet
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25571617/?GT1=43001">Police say arranged marriage led to killing
Officials say victim was strangled after she said she wanted divorce</a>


JONESBORO, Ga. - A daughter's refusal to stay in an arranged marriage led to her death and resulted in her father's arrest, according to police in Clayton County.

Sandeela Kanwal, 25, was strangled on Sunday, police said.

They allege that Chaudhry Rashid, 54, argued with his daughter, then choked her to death at the family home in Jonesboro.

Rashid was scheduled to appear in court on Monday.

According to a police report, Kanwal was forced into an arranged marriage in Pakistan a few years ago. Police say Kanwal wanted to leave her husband, which angered her father.

Police said Kanwal's husband now lives in Chicago.

Hopefully he doesn't get a slap on the wrist like they do in countries where honor killings are tolerated.
This is America, not some shithole in the Middle East run by assholes who use a medieval religion to oppress it's people, of course he won't get a slap on the wrist.

 

Fern

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Originally posted by: 1prophet
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Hopefully he doesn't get a slap on the wrist like they do in countries where honor killings are tolerated.

In Georgia?

Don't worry man, he's toast. I'll bet he either gets life in prinson or the death penalty.

Fern
 

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This man just voluntarily killed his own daughter. And feels no remorse.

Ask any father how heinous a crime would have to be to have your daughter killed as punishment.

What could the state possibly do that would be punishment enough for this man?
 

Dulanic

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Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: 1prophet
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Hopefully he doesn't get a slap on the wrist like they do in countries where honor killings are tolerated.

In Georgia?

Don't worry man, he's toast. I'll bet he either gets life in prinson or the death penalty.

Fern

Lot of good that does, Georgia likes to let of murders who brutally murder someone for a drug habit, good luck with them actually putting a murderer to death unless he is black.
 

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Originally posted by: Dulanic
Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: 1prophet
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Hopefully he doesn't get a slap on the wrist like they do in countries where honor killings are tolerated.

In Georgia?

Don't worry man, he's toast. I'll bet he either gets life in prinson or the death penalty.

Fern

Lot of good that does, Georgia likes to let of murders who brutally murder someone for a drug habit, good luck with them actually putting a murderer to death unless he is black.

Well, isn't being Pakistani every bit as serious as being black in Georgia? So long as he isn't wealthy, he should get the maximum sentence.
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
This is America, not some shithole in the Middle East run by assholes who use a medieval religion to oppress it's people, of course he won't get a slap on the wrist.

You don't sound very diverse or tolerant.
 

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
This is America, not some shithole in the Middle East run by assholes who use a medieval religion to oppress it's people, of course he won't get a slap on the wrist.

You don't sound very diverse or tolerant.
I never said I was when it came to murdering innocents.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: Aimster

what country is this tolerated in?

Any nations with societies that still accept "honor killings" over matters like this.

Honor killing

An honor killing or honour killing is generally a punitive murder, committed by members of a family against a female member of their family whom the family and/or wider community believes to have brought dishonor upon the family. A woman is usually targeted for: refusing an arranged marriage, being the victim of a sexual assault, seeking a divorce ? even from an abusive husband ? or committing adultery or fornication. These killings result from the perception that any behavior of a woman that "dishonors" her family is justification for a killing that would otherwise be deemed murder.
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Locations

As of 2004, honor killings have occurred within parts of various countries, such as Albania, Bangladesh, Brazil, Canada, Denmark, Ecuador, Germany, India, Iraq, Israel (within the Arab, Druze and Bedouin communities), Italy, Pakistan, Punjab, the Palestinian territories, Saudi Arabia, Sweden, Uganda, United Kingdom and the United States.

According to the UN:

"The report of the Special Rapporteur ... concerning cultural practices in the family that are violent towards women (E/CN.4/2002/83), indicated that honor killings had been reported in Egypt, the Islamic Republic of Iran, Jordan, Lebanon, Morocco, Pakistan, Punjab, the Syrian Arab Republic, Turkey, Yemen, and other Mediterranean and Persian Gulf countries, and that they had also taken place in such countries as France, Germany and the United Kingdom, within migrant communities."

In December 2005, Nazir Afzal, Director, West London, of Britain's Crown Prosecution Service, stated that the United Kingdom has seen "at least a dozen honor killings" between 2004 and 2005. Given the geopolitical politics dominant today, the practice of honor killing is associated in the West with certain Muslim cultures and the peoples influenced by those cultures. Honor killings are more common among poor rural communities than urban ones. Christians living within parts of Africa and the Near East, such as sections of Egypt, Jordan and the Palestinian Authority, sometimes carry out the crime[citation needed], as well as some men from some Muslim communities. While violence and discrimination against women is unfortunately widespread across the globe, it is well established that social inequality is a participatory factor. There is a strong positive correlation between women's social power and a baseline of development, associated with access to basic resources, health care, and human capital, such as literacy. In some locations, attacks or killings have been perpetrated against women by individuals who are not close relatives, often in the context of enforcement of religiously-sanctioned social requirements such as wearing hijab or engaging in more open interaction with unrelated males. One example is the current trend in the Iraqi city of Basra, where authorities report that around 15 female corpses are discovered monthly; the victims are believed to have been killed by groups who seek to enforce sanctioned behavior on women.

UNICEF has reported that in India, more than 5,000 brides are killed annually because their marriage dowries are considered insufficient. Widney Brown, advocacy director for Human Rights Watch, says that these killings are similar to the killings in countries where Islam is practiced, because they have a similar dynamic in that the women are killed by male family members and the crimes are perceived as excusable or understandable.

Every year in the UK, about 13 women are victims of honor killing and often cases are unresolved due to the unwillingness of family, relatives and communities to testify. A 2006 BBC poll for the Asian network found that 1 in 10 young Asians polled said that they could condone the murder of someone who supposedly dishonored their family. The poll surveyed more than 500 young British Asians, of the Sikh, Hindu, Muslim and Christian faiths.

Many cases of honor killings have been reported in Pakistan. During the year 2002 in Pakistan about four hundred people (men & women) were killed in the name of (Karo-Kari) in Sindh Out of 382 (245 women, 137 men). The phenomenon of the killing in the name of honor has direct relevance to the illiteracy rate, as these killings are more common in the areas where the literacy rate is lower. According to a report issued by the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP), Jacobabad District ranked first in terms of murder in the name of Karo Kari (66 women, 25 men). Jacobabad district has a literacy rate of 23.66, the least literate district of Sindh after Tharparkar District, and Thatta District. After Jacobabad, the Ghotki District witnessed the highest number of murders in the name of Karo Kari (13 men, 54 women). After Ghotki, Larkana is the district with the next highest murder rate in the name of Karo Kari (24 men, 38 women). Larkana as well, has a low literacy rate of 34.95. This is lower than even Naushahro Feroze District, Dadu District, and Khairpur District, having 39.14, 35.56 and 35.50 percent literacy rates respectively. These districts of the upper Sindh have low literacy rates but high feudal influence in every walk of life. Jacobabad, Ghotki and Larkana are those districts of Sindh where not only the illiterate, but tribal chieftains are also present in large numbers. According to a report released by the HRCP, the cases of Karo Kari are mostly settled at jirgas, the private and parallel judicial system of Chieftains. However, districts of lower parts of Sindh like Tharparkar, Badin, and Thatta experience nominal occurrences of honor killings because they have a lower amount of feudal influence there.

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Craig234

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I think we can all agree on the horrible nature of the culture of these types of killings.

That includes those of us more sensitive to 'cultural differences'. Careful when condemning doesn't mean unable to condemn.

It gets a little sticker if the question were, if a country with a good democracy had the people vote to legalize these killings, what's the proper response from other nations?

Is it (A) Use words to condemn, (B) Sanctions, (C) Invade them, (D) say 'their choice'?
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: Craig234
I think we can all agree on the horrible nature of the culture of these types of killings.

That includes those of us more sensitive to 'cultural differences'. Careful when condemning doesn't mean unable to condemn.

It gets a little sticker if the question were, if a country with a good democracy had the people vote to legalize these killings, what's the proper response from other nations?

Is it (A) Use words to condemn, (B) Sanctions, (C) Invade them, (D) say 'their choice'?

D

 

1prophet

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Originally posted by: Craig234
I think we can all agree on the horrible nature of the culture of these types of killings.

That includes those of us more sensitive to 'cultural differences'. Careful when condemning doesn't mean unable to condemn.

It gets a little sticker if the question were, if a country with a good democracy had the people vote to legalize these killings, what's the proper response from other nations?

Is it (A) Use words to condemn, (B) Sanctions, (C) Invade them, (D) say 'their choice'?

Last time we invaded a country we gave them the gift that keeps on giving, Sharia, and made the women instant second class citizens.


Women protest implementation of Sharia law in Iraq

Iraq: women protest draft constitution

Verma, Priya
BAGHAD-The draft constitution for Iraq that Shiites pushed through the National Assembly in late August would curtail women's rights.

On July 19, women's groups held a demonstration protesting the provisions of the draft, which had then not yet been made public.

The draft constitution says that a family's sect or religion would determine the laws on matters like marriage, divorce and inheritance that would apply to them. Supposedly, the parties to a case could decide whether to take it to a civil court or a religious court, but, if the parties disagreed, whose voice would prevail? Would a woman be able to take a case to a civil court if her husband wanted it to be decided by a religious panel?

The proposed constitution would replace laws that have granted women more equality than perhaps any others in the Middle East with laws that, for example, could mean that Shiite women of any age would have to get their families' permission to marry.

About 200 women and men attended the protest. They carried signs with slogans like "We want to be equal to everybody-we want human rights for everybody."

"We don't want to use separate Sunni or Shiite laws," Dohar Rouhi, head of the Association of Women Entrepreneurs told The New York Times. "We want a law that can be applied to everyone. We want justice for women."

Iraq has been operating under a charter adopted under some pressure from the United States that says Islam is "a source" of legislation, a provision for Islam that is not nearly as strong as some Shiite policy-makers wanted.

The Shiite-dominated government also wants to put clerics on the proposed supreme court.

The majority of those drafting the constitution, like the majority of Iraq's people, are Shiite. Sunnis are not pleased with the constitution and are urging its defeat in an October election.



Actual democracy we gave Iraq


Iraqi Laws and Procedures
The Iraqi Social Status (civil) Law follows the Islamic Sharia (Islamic legislation). Under Islamic law, an Iraqi Muslim female may not marry a non Muslim male. However an Iraqi Muslim male may marry a Muslim, Christian, or Jewish female.


Marriage of a Muslim to a Non-Muslim
Muslim women in Iraq are legally prohibited from marrying a non-Muslim. Therefore, the non-Muslim male must convert his religion to Islam and file a petition with the Social Status Court to declare that he is Muslim. Muslim men in Iraq are permitted to marry non-Muslim women if they are Christian or Jewish only. If the woman belongs to any other religion, she must convert to Islam.