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s0me0nesmind1

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Something something... unions are great, something something... Definitely not ripe for abuse of power.

But hrm, for some reason now you want to disband them? Fancy that lol :p

Keep on toolin' tools.

EDIT: Posted before seeing @ivwshane post above, haha.
 
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hal2kilo

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s0me0nesmind1 said:
Something something... unions are great, something something... Definitely not ripe for abuse of power.

But hrm, for some reason now you want to disband them? Fancy that lol :p

Keep on toolin' tools.
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Yes Mr. crescent wrench.
 
MrSquished

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s0me0nesmind1 said:
Something something... unions are great, something something... Definitely not ripe for abuse of power.

But hrm, for some reason now you want to disband them? Fancy that lol

Keep on toolin' tools.
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If you support a type of organization that means you can't hold them accountable or reform them for anything?
 
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shortylickens

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I agree. The police we have in America right now all need to be replaced. The replacements need to be checked and balanced on a continual basis.

That will never happen, because the majority of citizens are actually just fine with their behavior.
 
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Pohemi

Pohemi

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s0me0nesmind1 said:
Something something... unions are great, something something... Definitely not ripe for abuse of power.

But hrm, for some reason now you want to disband them? Fancy that lol :p

Keep on toolin' tools.

EDIT: Posted before seeing @ivwshane post above, haha.
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You think your 'gotchya' comments are clever, but they make you look foolish because they are usually misplaced and almost always dishonest. Keep flinging that feces and screaming at the mirror though, it seems to make you happy.
 
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MrSquished

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Pohemi420 said:
You think your 'gotchya' comments are clever, but they make you look foolish because they are usually misplaced and almost always dishonest. Keep flinging that feces and screaming at the mirror though, it seems to make you happy.
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He lacks critical thinking skills because he is driven by pure partisanship gotcha mentality
 
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nakedfrog

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There's clearly no difference between a union of people that build cars and a union of people that have developed a nasty habit of performing extrajudicial executions.

/s Because I guess sometimes even though I think it's painfully obvious that it's sarcasm, it may not have been obvious enough?
 
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pmv

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Seemed pretty clear from Bob Kroll's speech a year-or-two back, that some cops, and certainly cop unions, see their first loyalty as being to Trump rather than to the US people or the Constitution. The very existence of police unions seems to affect the mentality of the police, as the Chicago study of Florida case seemed to demonstrate.

(when I first heard Bob Kroll referred to in speech I misheard it as Bob Crow...which was very confusing)


www.independent.co.uk

Minneapolis police union chief praised Trump at rally while attacking Obama's 'oppression of police'

Questions arise over the culture within the city's police department as reports reveal its local force resisted reforms banning 'warrior-style' training
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk


thecrimereport.org

Findings Imply Violent Misconduct Rose After Florida Sheriff’s Deputies Joined Union: Study - The Crime Report

According to three University of Chicago researchers who conducted a study on the impact of a 2003 court ruling that granted collective bargaining rights to sheriff’s offices in the state, one possible explanation was that unions provided procedural protections that allowed officers to believe...
thecrimereport.org thecrimereport.org

papers.ssrn.com

Collective Bargaining Rights and Police Misconduct: Evidence from Florida

We provide quasi-experimental evidence on the effects of law enforcement collective bargaining rights on violent incidents of misconduct. Our empirical strategy
papers.ssrn.com
 
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Captante

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s0me0nesmind1 said:
You do realize that person could have been giving a hand signal to another cop that was out there to retreat further in like they were?

All the others were retreating, it kind of makes sense to tell the rest of your police force...
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Looks to me like that one fat cop moves the barricades and waves the mob through. Not sure what your seeing?
 
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s0me0nesmind1

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Captante said:
Looks to me like that one fat cop moves the barricades and waves the mob through. Not sure what your seeing?
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Not doubting you - but what second in the video is a cop moving the barricade out of the way?

And we sincerely can't know who the cop is signaling to - you can see looking to a hole in the crowd on the left side of the screen, but we can't see what is to the left. I would presume another cop.
 
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Captante said:
Looks to me like that one fat cop moves the barricades and waves the mob through. Not sure what your seeing?
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I'm not sure what's going on there, it's a very short clip. Looks like the cop is waving people on, and indicating the direction, almost shepherding them. But I don't know where that is or at what point in the proceedings it was, and hence what it means. Didn't look to me like it was the cop who moved the barriers, that was surely one of the moving crowd doing that?

I kind of think that if there were real active involvement by cops (as oppposed to the docile 'stand aside and let them through' behaviour that is clear on much of the footage) that more definitive footage of it would have emerged. (Just as I'll only be convinced any anarchist false-flaggery was involved if absolutely solid photographic evidence is produced - all the idenfiable characters in photos so far have been clearly identified as known Trumpers).
 
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Captante

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s0me0nesmind1 said:
Not doubting you - but what second in the video is a cop moving the barricade out of the way?

And we sincerely can't know who the cop is signaling to - you can see looking to a hole in the crowd on the left side of the screen, but we can't see what is to the left. I would presume another cop.
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You are correct its a protester moving the barrier my bad.

It certainly does APPEAR however that the cop is waving the crowd on through. (it is also possible he's waving to another cop to retreat but I doubt it)
 
Captante

Captante

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nickqt said:
Wait...

You're telling me that right-wing authoritarians INSIDE the police force are...right-wing authoritarians?

I. AM. FUCKING. SHOCKED.

It's almost like this has been brought up before by the FBI, over decades, in multiple reports.

Or: Some of those that work forces...
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Just because it's no surprise at all doesn't make it okay! ;)
 
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