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POLE: Dream Theater vs Tool

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the writing is on teh wall that Labrie will be leaving DT soon. He's doing his own thing and liking it. Portnoy is constantly bitching about him, and even though Portnoy says "he's our guy" he will then elaborate on what it would be like if they had somebody else.... I've seen many videos where you can tell Portnoy is furious with labrie.

There was even one when they were covering an Iron Maiden CD, and Labrie kept messing up. Portnoy says to labrie "Yea know, we, as in the rest of the band, actually practiced this set for months and actually recorded ourselves doing it so we could listen to it. We've told you about it. You should listen to it sometime so you can practice.. But I guess its too late since we are performing it tonight" Portnoy then rolled his eyes and shook his head like he was about to punch the guy.

He is and was a hired singer to fill space while DT made kick ass instrumental music. I predict Daniel Gildenlow of Pain of Salvation will be replacing him. Portnoy brings it up all the time. Portnoy thinks he's a genius, and Gildenlow is probably one of the few guys that can sing the songs, and his voice has good texture. Not only that, Gildenlow more often sings like Maynard than anybody. And he doesn't yell out like an 80's hairband. He keeps his stuff in good range and more focused. That and he can growl and get really psycho toooo.
 
Originally posted by: OdiN
Originally posted by: cjgallen
Dream Theater BY FAR

Metropolis Part 2: Scenes From A Memory, 'nuf said.

Tool's songs are long and drawn out, but not complex by any means. Dream Theater's songs are long, but have much more substance IMO.

And Tool Guitar Solos versus Dream Theater Guitar Solos? No contest. (doesn't Tool even have solos?).
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QFT

DT is so much better than Tool.
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Precisely! When Dream Theater does Change of Season in concert, it's absolutely amazing. I'm still not a LaBrie fan, though. He's just not strong enough or talented enough to fit the group.
 
Originally posted by: upsciLLion
Originally posted by: Gurck
Tool's one of my favorite bands, no contest. I've heard a lot of good things about DT, but have never really gotten around to listening to them. Any fans suggest an album to get into them?
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Images and Words.
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I'll second that. A cooworker brought them to my attention last year, and I'm still listening to that cd regularily.
 
Originally posted by: NatePo717
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Porcupine Tree rocks.
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Porcupine Tree does rock. And I voted for Dream Theater. I :heart: Dream Theater.
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Porcupine Tree is awesome.

I think Dream Theater is the "better" band, however, I enjoy listening to both Tool and DT about the same.

Therefore, I choose Dream Theater.

Of course if Opeth was on the list, I'd pick them ....
 
theyre all the same, just rehashing/repackaging older sounds for the next generation.

that being said, i vote tool. while they really dont introduce anything new(what band does anymore? theres nothing new.), i like thier sound and mjks voice.
 
Originally posted by: shimsham
theyre all the same, just rehashing/repackaging older sounds for the next generation.

that being said, i vote tool. while they really dont introduce anything new(what band does anymore? theres nothing new.), i like thier sound and mjks voice.
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if you like maynards voice, check out pain of salvation. like a mix between tool and dt with their own originality. a very diverse array of sounds and songs.
 
Well, i LOVE tool, so that's where my vote goes...

But i'm also intrigued by the comments that DT has gotten in this thread, so I will uh sample this music to see if it fits my liking.

I (personally) think tool is one of those bands where the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts. I think JMK is a good frontman and talented lyricist(sp?), and I think Danny Carey is one of the best drummers around today. However, I don't particularly care for Adam Jones or the bassist (sorry don't remmeber his name). I don't think they're too talented (or at least it doesn't show in their music), however, it fits the band perfectly.
 
Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis
Well, i LOVE tool, so that's where my vote goes...

But i'm also intrigued by the comments that DT has gotten in this thread, so I will uh sample this music to see if it fits my liking.

I (personally) think tool is one of those bands where the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts. I think JMK is a good frontman and talented lyricist(sp?), and I think Danny Carey is one of the best drummers around today. However, I don't particularly care for Adam Jones or the bassist (sorry don't remmeber his name). I don't think they're too talented (or at least it doesn't show in their music), however, it fits the band perfectly.
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Octavarium by DT is a good start. Linky

quoted editor review from amazon

Octavarium opens with a lean and enthusiastic-sounding Dream Theater, one that continues to move forward without compromising its classic sound or its classic progressive metal appeal. Bassist John Myung propels album opener "The Root Of All Evil" with a weight equal to that of Mike Portnoy's forceful but finessed drumming and guitarist John Petrucci's masterful riffing which seems once more to widen the realm of possibilities available on the instrument. Keyboardist Jordan Rudess lends subtle and deft touches throughout helping further solidify the outfit's equally strong footing in the worlds of heavy and progressive rock. But the best evidence that Dream Theater remains alive and well rests perhaps in the final 34 minutes of the album. The 10-minute 9/11 meditation "Sacrificed Sons" finds vocalist James LaBrie giving one of his most convincing performances to date. The closing, 24-minute title track serves as the sound of a progressive rock orchestra delivering one more classic epic symphony, one more that lengthens this unit's ever-long prime. Both tracks stand as testament to the quintet's virtuosity, integrity and ingenuity and will fast become favorites. Further evidence of the group's diversity also exists here in the form of the unapologetically commercial (and U2-inflected) "I Walk Beside You," a song that seems destined to connect with a crossover audience--at least one up for an unforgettable adventure. --Jedd Beaudoin
 
and FYI, dream theater had their original keyboardist, Kevin Moore quit, one of the reasons being the singer and the over teh top playing. KM went on to do more of a Nine Inch Nails mixed with Pink Floyd thing. Its called Chroma Key.

Chromakey.com

He has everything he's done up, free to stream. Very interesting and genius collection of musical works imho. He is an excellent pianist and vocalist, and is also damn good behind a computer. I suggest hitting up the audio section, going to the blue cd with the astronaut, "You Go Now" and listening to the first track. Definately good love making music.

Jason
 
Originally posted by: Maleficus
How can you compare DT to Tool.

Tool >
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not really. I love tool, but in regards to musicianship, the guys in DT are jedi's while the guys in tool are your standard black belts, if that. Its pretty much a known fact that everyone, besides the singer, is seriously at the top of their game. The guys' in DT could replace the guys in tool much easier than vice versa.

I'm not a big fan of Jordan Rudess' "carnival" sounds, but its obvious that he is technically on par if not greater than many of our historical greats such as Mozart, bach, etc.

I'll also say that Danny Carey is = to Portnoy.
 
Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
the writing is on teh wall that Labrie will be leaving DT soon. He's doing his own thing and liking it. Portnoy is constantly bitching about him, and even though Portnoy says "he's our guy" he will then elaborate on what it would be like if they had somebody else.... I've seen many videos where you can tell Portnoy is furious with labrie.

There was even one when they were covering an Iron Maiden CD, and Labrie kept messing up. Portnoy says to labrie "Yea know, we, as in the rest of the band, actually practiced this set for months and actually recorded ourselves doing it so we could listen to it. We've told you about it. You should listen to it sometime so you can practice.. But I guess its too late since we are performing it tonight" Portnoy then rolled his eyes and shook his head like he was about to punch the guy.

He is and was a hired singer to fill space while DT made kick ass instrumental music. I predict Daniel Gildenlow of Pain of Salvation will be replacing him. Portnoy brings it up all the time. Portnoy thinks he's a genius, and Gildenlow is probably one of the few guys that can sing the songs, and his voice has good texture. Not only that, Gildenlow more often sings like Maynard than anybody. And he doesn't yell out like an 80's hairband. He keeps his stuff in good range and more focused. That and he can growl and get really psycho toooo.
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Oh snap! That would kick ass. labrie's vocals have always "bothered" me.
 
Originally posted by: BillyBatson
tool by far what are you smoking?
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this...

I love tool, but in regards to musicianship, the guys in DT are jedi's while the guys in tool are your standard black belts, if that. Its pretty much a known fact that everyone, besides the singer, is seriously at the top of their game. The guys' in DT could replace the guys in tool much easier than vice versa.

I'm not a big fan of Jordan Rudess's (DT keyboardist) "carnival" sounds, but its obvious that he is technically on par if not greater than many of our historical greats such as Mozart, bach, etc.

I'll also say that Danny Carey is = to Portnoy. DC is the only guy in tool that could hang with DT..... thats not arguable. dont try.
 
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Where is Good Charlotte on this poll?
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This was a joke, right?
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way to revive the thread....

all those who like tool and are curious about dream theater, i have something that might be a good introduction to DT. ...

this is a song off of John Petrucci's solo cd... JP is dream theater's guitarist...

Click this link and listen to the first song.... jp on myspace
 
Originally posted by: Insomniak
Music has certainly gone downhill in the past twenty years, but it's not like Tool is in any way removed from that.

For Chrissakes, they're mainstream rock from the 90s and they didn't/don't even have the common deceny to try and throw some variance of sound in there like the Smashing Pumpkins did.

I mean, sure, they weren't as bad as the early-mid 90s grunge pump where every band sounded like Pearl Jam for 3 years before Nirvana ruined the party by "reinventing" (the f*&% ?) pop punk, or the current nu-metal epidemic that's been plaguing the American music scene for the past 4 years, but it's not like they're revolutionary or special in any sense of the word. Taking grunge riffs and adding a hint of industrialism and, every now and again, a xylophone, does not make you an artist.

It's well produced and well packaged, complete with generic weird imagery that makes angsty adolescent high schoolers feel really tuned in because it matches their all Hot Topic wardrobe. I mean, the eyes are the pathway to the *soul*....or something.

If some of you out there are silly enough to mistake "purposefully cyptic" with "artful", then I'm just going to keep on chuckling while you keep shelling out dollars.

Hell, if you ever listened to A Perfect Circle, it becomes almost impossible to deny the fact that it's as cookie cutter as any of its sibling rock - the music is damn near the same, excepting the fact that APC cleans up the distortion a little bit more in post production.

Wow.

It's like a whole new band.

Like I said, I have no problem with either band. I've I-tuned many Tool tracks, and I even bought Mer De Noms off the shelf back when it was first released. It's rather enjoyable as mainstream, heavy pop, but don't take it as anything more than that or you're deluding yourself.

But, you know, don't tell that to every 14 - 18 year old skater punk and goth in America. They'd be crushed.
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ROFLMAO! This was an AWESOME POST! I could hardly stop laughing. I love people that think that if a band is popular that they're crap. In fact, it only makes sense that a "good" band would be popular, while "bad" bands would be less well-known. I understand that some bands fall through the cracks (10 Years until recently, and The Sound and the Fury), but mostly, bands are popular for a reason. Sure, there are formula bands that we all have fun making fun of, but I hardly believe that Tool is "cookie cutter." They don't change a TON, I'll give you that, but a lot of great bands stay the same (Tool, RATM), some change DRASTICALLY (Radiohead, Opeth), and some change a little (Pearl Jam, Stone Temple Pilots), but it doesn't matter as long as the music is enjoyable. If you demand that someone change their sound from album to album in order for you to enjoy them, that's fine, but don't define "good" and "bad" as how much a band is able to change while still producing good music. If you like more than, let's say, 5 Tool songs, you probably like their whole catalog. So what?
 
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