Polaris not so bright [Hardocp]From ATI to AMD back to ATI? A Journey in Futility

[Glo.]

That he meant power instead of die temp is the only logical thing to conclude, but that doesn't make it so. I have a 28nm Oland GPU that runs hotter than my old unlocked 40nm 6950 while also being considerably slower, but that's a useless comparison. The 6950 obviously uses a lot more power.

It is possible that the big P10 uses more than 180W, but that would be pretty disastrous for AMD.

Not really if they would deliver promised 2.5 times more performance per watt.

We would be talking about a GPU with over 75GFLOPs/watt, and around 13.5 TFLOPs of compute power. So it would be even faster than GP102.

 

[caswow]

Amazing how Kyle gets ripped apart for bringing us news. I bet if it were gushingly positive, he wouldn't be getting the hate that he's getting.

FYI, to all of those saying that his opinion isn't important, apparently AMD tried to pay him off to remove that Roy Taylor story:



https://hardforum.com/threads/from-...-in-futility-h.1900681/page-2#post-1042317688

i dont even know why people cant wait for the release and then, if its really that bad, rip them appart...:thumbsdown:
he just sounds like a kid who didnt get what he wanted.

 

[Arachnotronic]

i dont even know why people cant wait for the release and then, if its really that bad, rip them appart...:thumbsdown:
he just sounds like a kid who didnt get what he wanted.

Not really, he sounds like somebody who did some actual work, talked to some industry sources, and delivered some news/commentary to his readers.

 

[AtenRa]

AtenRa, Mr Teal,

So you believe that's what Kyle is saying? He has inside information that the Polaris 10 fan curve lets P10 get hotter than the 82 degree limit in the 1080 FE? And that the fan curve is the reason he is disappointed - not power consumption?

Personally i dont know if he is talking about temperatures or power usage.

And to tell you the truth, i dont take anything from his article as credible news. If he wanted to just talk about Polaris and RTG as a journalist, he would avoid to make it personal and he would write about the product in question and the RTG.

Since this "thing" is clearly not a professional work of informing your audience about the actual news written in the article, i dont take anything seriously from this thing and ill wait for more credible news to surface the coming days.

 

[raghu78]

Not really, he sounds like somebody who did some actual work, talked to some industry sources, and delivered some news/commentary to his readers.

dude if he wanted to do his work he should have waited for the Polaris GPUs to launch and brought them (if he was not sampled GPUs by AMD) and did a thoroughly professional and objective review without being emotional and published it. Thats his job. What the consumer wants is objective evaluation of GPU hardware from these so called tech sites. He could criticize AMD's products very well based on their performance, power, heat and noise. Instead he is writing some trash based on so called industry sources

 

[MrTeal]

AtenRa, Mr Teal,

So you believe that's what Kyle is saying? He has inside information that the Polaris 10 fan curve lets P10 get hotter than the 82 degree limit in the 1080 FE? And that the fan curve is the reason he is disappointed - not power consumption?

No, I think he probably meant hotter to be uses more power, since hotter is kind of a useless metric. It's entirely possible and not even unlikely that P10 runs hotter and is slower than GTX1080. We expect it to be slower, and if AMD sets their thermal throttling point at 88C instead 82C, it could easily run hotter. Now, it could run at 88C while consuming 200W and be much worse perf/W than Pascal, or it could run at 88C while consuming 100W and have much better perf/W than Pascal. The temperature is just a function of the cooler and the fan curve, so it's useless to use as a comparison between chips.

 

[Arachnotronic]

dude if he wanted to do his work he should have waited for the Polaris GPUs to launch and brought them (if he was not sampled GPUs by AMD) and did a thoroughly professional and objective review without being emotional and published it. Thats his job. What the consumer wants is objective evaluation of GPU hardware from these so called tech sites. He could criticize AMD's products very well based on their performance, power, heat and noise. Instead he is writing some trash based on so called industry sources

How do you know it's trash? Just because somebody doesn't like it doesn't mean the article is trash.

I am sure he will buy his own card and review it, just like he did with the Nano -- a product that got a GOLD award from the site.

 

[AtenRa]

No, I think he probably meant hotter to be uses more power, since hotter is kind of a useless metric. It's entirely possible and not even unlikely that P10 runs hotter and is slower than GTX1080. We expect it to be slower, and if AMD sets their thermal throttling point at 88C instead 82C, it could easily run hotter. Now, it could run at 88C while consuming 200W and be much worse perf/W than Pascal, or it could run at 88C while consuming 100W and have much better perf/W than Pascal. The temperature is just a function of the cooler and the fan curve, so it's useless to use as a comparison between chips.

He clearly used the word HOTTER to make it look bad, it is something that fanboys use since the Fermi era and this "journalist" manipulate the word for his agenda.

Clearly not worth even talking about him anymore.

 

[crisium]

https://hardforum.com/threads/from-...-in-futility-h.1900681/page-3#post-1042317995

Well, he won't give us the answer. My guess is because he doesn't know either the power consumption or fan curve, and is instead making the reasonable guess that Nvidia still has a performance-per-watt advantage overall.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Wonder if this is tied with that rumour of Polaris not being able to hit its target frequencies(?). I cant imagine HardOCP doing a clickbait journalism either (why would they need to?) and Kyle's put his reputation on the line so definitely he knows something. AMD stuff cannot come fast enough!

 

[antihelten]

Regarding the discussion of hotter/temperature/power/efficiency, Kyle just totally dodged the issue when someone asked him on the [H] forum:

https://hardforum.com/threads/from-...-in-futility-h.1900681/page-3#post-1042317995

Edit: Crisium got there first

 

[Glo.]

Well it looks like Kyle have made a compilation of all rumors floating around lately about AMD : buyout by Intel, Polaris not being able to pass 850 MHz thermal validation, etc, etc.

Isn't it quite funny that he posted this day before the whole event?

 

[Erithan13]

Not really, he sounds like somebody who did some actual work, talked to some industry sources, and delivered some news/commentary to his readers.

Yeah, not buying it. If the article was written in a calm and professional manner that at least attempted to sound objective and reasoned, then I'd have some sympathy here. As it is the sheer petulance dripping off every word means I'm disinclined to believe there was any 'actual work' done writing this. He is of course perfectly within his rights to author the article in such a tone and deliver it to whomever he wants in whatever manner he wants but if he subsequently expects to be treated like a serious, professional news source, then maybe he should have acted like one?

How do you know it's trash? Just because somebody doesn't like it doesn't mean the article is trash.

I don't know if it's trash. I also don't know if there's any grain of truth in it either. I will therefore withhold judgement until I see more information on the state of Polaris. I would put forth that someone defending the article purely because it says something they like is equivalent to someone attacking the article because it says something they don't like.

...and Kyle's put his reputation on the line so definitely he knows something. AMD stuff cannot come fast enough!

I think what's been proven is he knows how to rile people up. Beyond that? As I said, I don't know. If he turns out to have been on the money about Polaris I can accept I was wrong about that, although I'd maintain the message would have been much better delivered in a more neutral tone. If it turns out he was dead wrong and Polaris is just fine, what of the people jumping on this like they do any rumor that paints Polaris in a bad light?

 

[Sonikku]

Somebody's getting a free 1080 in the mail. :hmm:

 

[flopper]

Isn't it quite funny that he posted this day before the whole event?

No, he want to damage AMD

 

[Arachnotronic]

Somebody's getting a free 1080 in the mail. :hmm:

Wow, you think any well known journalist is going to throw his/her credibility out the window for a free $699 video card?

The bashing of a well respected journalist like Kyle, or the insinuation that a couple hundred bucks is enough to "buy him off" is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Azix]

Man that site is completely dead to AMD now. Not a single thing coming their way.

In the simplest terms AMD has created a product that runs hotter and slower than its competition's new architecture by a potentially significant margin.

that word there, suggests uncertainty. You cant publish something like this with uncertain information. The whole article is to claim its slower and hotter, yet he's not sure it is? How are his sources so solid when AMD has been so airtight and may even have been seeding bad info?

AMD has a reputation of holding GPU launches in exotic locations when trying to obscure a deficient product that doesn’t cut the mustard ( Anyone remember Tunis? )

computex is exotic? I would have expected the macau thing to be the main announcement though, like the hawaii announcement.

 

[f2bnp]

Lol. Kyle being butthurt once again. The depths to which that website has fallen are just huge.

The guy is mentally unstable, I still crack up everytime I remember that article he published about Nano last year. Anybody else remember the forum posts? I remember him saying that he was talking to AMD PR and they told him the price of the Nano and he just hang up the phone.

How does anyone expect this guy to act like a professional anymore?

 

[zlejedi]

People thinking his article is just pure hate are clearly not thinking logically.

If it turns out later Polaris is amazing product he will lose a lot of credibility and it will also make it impossible to get any AMD product samples in the future.

So from logical point of view he can only lose if it turns out to be false with nothing to gain.

 

[raghu78]

How do you know it's trash? Just because somebody doesn't like it doesn't mean the article is trash.

I am sure he will buy his own card and review it, just like he did with the Nano -- a product that got a GOLD award from the site.

It is trash because its based on hearsay. If Kyle were a professional journalist he would just wait for the product to launch and do a thorough review without prejudice and published it. If the product were bad he could call out in the review and if good he would acknowledge it. Then he would gain a lot of credibility. Instead he writes a useless piece of trash because he is pissed off that he did not get an invite to Macau. pretty sore loser.

 

[boozzer]

Not really, he sounds like somebody who did some actual work, talked to some industry sources, and delivered some news/commentary to his readers.

it reads like a tantrum.

from a suppose professional tech reviewer.

so it becomes editorial = his credibility goes to 0 for me personally.

Pros are not suppose to be emo, that is why they are pros.

 

[antihelten]

People thinking his article is just pure hate are clearly not thinking logically.

If it turns out later Polaris is amazing product he will lose a lot of credibility and it will also make it impossible to get any AMD product samples in the future.

So from logical point of view he can only lose if it turns out to be false with nothing to gain.

Not really actually.

He basically reports a bunch of stuff that we already knew off (Polaris 10 will be slower and cheaper than GP104).

Some stuff that can be interpreted in a multitude of ways and which he refuses to clarify (temperature vs. power).

And finally some stuff that if true won't come to fruition until several months from now, where everyone will likely have forgotten about this article (RTG breaking from AMD and being acquired by Intel).

So in other words he has made sure to be vague enough, that this probably won't come back and bite him in the ass. And as far as him having nothing to gain, sites like [H] lives of the number of clicks they get, hence the term clickbait.

 

[Udgnim]

Man that site is completely dead to AMD now. Not a single thing coming their way. Anyone who thinks



that word there, suggests uncertainty. You cant publish something like this with uncertain information. The whole article is to claim its slower and hotter, yet he's not sure it is? How are his sources so solid when AMD has been so airtight and may even have been seeding bad info?



computex is exotic? I would have expected the macau thing to be the main announcement though, like the hawaii announcement.

AIBs might still send their AMD cards to [H]

they won't be invited to any AMD press events anytime soon

 

[AnandThenMan]

https://hardforum.com/threads/from-...-in-futility-h.1900681/page-3#post-1042317995

I am privy to more actual data than what is in the article but am not in a position to discuss it openly. So you will have to wait for a bit. Sorry.

Come on Kyle, you have no problem being in a position to be slinging the mud around about AMD's inner business working (from inside sources apparently) but won't share info about performance and the like? :\

 

[Rvenger]

AIBs might still send their AMD cards to [H]

they won't be invited to any AMD press events anytime soon

XFX will unless AMD somehow influences to cut the cord.