Polaris 10 vs R9 390/390X @ GFXBench

[IllogicalGlory]

Your image proves nothing in that regard. However people overclocking the memory on Hawaii gets better performance. Same goes for Fiji

i can confirm that memory overclocking Hawaii does very little. Going from 1250 to 1500 amounts to a ~2 fps increase in Heaven.

 

[RussianSensation]

i can confirm that memory overclocking Hawaii does very little. Going from 1250 to 1500 amounts to a ~2 fps increase in Heaven.

Ya I don't know what his point was. 7979/290 hardly benefit from max memory overclocking for games, 2-4%. Fiji's performance also barely goes up with memory overclocking. None of these cards was memory bandwidth starved. AMD will likely improve their Tonga memory compression while Vega parts may have a combination of GDDR5X and HBM2.

 

[railven]

I like how you can automatically tell if a leak is positive or negative based on who posted it. It's convenient.

Leak? I'd go as far as saying overall for a thread.

Just see the title, the poster, and get the popcorn. At least ATF has some consistency in it's pot stirs, other forums it's like "didn't expect that, from him/her none the less."

 

[DownTheSky]

Is the onscreen performance capped by V-sync?

 

[tential]

Leak? I'd go as far as saying overall for a thread.

Just see the title, the poster, and get the popcorn. At least ATF has some consistency in it's pot stirs, other forums it's like "didn't expect that, from him/her none the less."

I'm not even sure I'm understanding the current line of reasoning in this latest joke of a thread.
So are we suggesting that the new mainstream parts from AMD will have lower performance than the current mainstream parts from AMD?

 

[PPB]

For those savvy tech gamers who wait for deals or have great deals available, it's been possible to get $200-249 R9 290, $255-280 R9 290X and $230-245 R9 390 for months, even years for R9 290 series. That means for these gamers Polaris 10 shouldn't matter. In reality it shouldn't either way because it would be akin to upgrading from a 6950/6970 to say a 7850/7870. The proper upgrade for higher end level chips such as Hawaii is Vega. At the same time, prices will reflect all of the above. Polaris 10 won't be a $550-650 product.

Also, look at regular MSRP and prices worldwide. Most of the world doesn't have these deals. Right now for AMD they are officially selling 390 for $329 and 390X for $429. If AMD beings Polaris 10 to $179-249 price levels, that's a massive improvement from what the rest of the world has. Look at how many people on Steam have 960 and those cards sold for $180-220 for almost all of 2015 and for most of the 2016 until now. Imagine getting 390X performance for $249, then with rebates it could be $220-230. That's easily a 70-80% improvement over a 960 as far as GPU power goes. Look how well 960 sold and that card was overpriced trash. Getting 70-80% performance for these gamers is a big deal given how weak the $200-249 market segment is. Finally look at where the competition has 390X level of performance. 980 generally sells at $420-460 levels. Bringing that to $249 MSRP is a huge improvement, miles better than 960 replacing a 760.

In the rest of the world where msrp is not respected, most hardware places price their products based on performance. In my country 980ti is around 1k usd factoring local currency conversion. If polaris brings that kind of performance, msrp will be firther away to actual product price here. Yay for more margins for those dreaded local hardware sellers (and yeah, we cant buy stuff from Amazon, protectionist laws ftl).

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[tential]

In the rest of the world where msrp is not respected, most hardware places price their products based on performance. In my country 980ti is around 1k usd factoring local currency conversion. If polaris brings that kind of performance, msrp will be firther away to actual product price here. Yay for more margins for those dreaded local hardware sellers (and yeah, we cant buy stuff from Amazon, protectionist laws ftl).

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Well what are the 980/970/R9 390/Fury X's prices for comparison sake and curiosity?

I find it hard to believe anyone prices just based on performance, when there are many other factors you can use.

 

[beginner99]

Well what are the 980/970/R9 390/Fury X's prices for comparison sake and curiosity?

I find it hard to believe anyone prices just based on performance, when there are many other factors you can use.

Here where I live in Europe (cheapest model in biggest online shop):

AsusR9 390 Strix: $375
MSI R9 390x Gaming: $456
Asus Fury Nano: $568
ASUS Radeon R9 Fury STRIX DC3: $584
Sapphire R9 Fury X: $696

EVGA GTX 980 Ti Superclocked+ ACX 2.0+: $743
ZOTAC GTX 980 AMP!: $503
Gainward GTX 970 Phantom: $354

I need to mention that however 290(x) never were much cheaper. $250 for 290x did not happen here so the actual price increase from 290 to 390 was $50 max. Also GTX 980 or 390x make no sense as you can see.

 

[Abwx]

I'm not even sure I'm understanding the current line of reasoning in this latest joke of a thread.
So are we suggesting that the new mainstream parts from AMD will have lower performance than the current mainstream parts from AMD?

AMD said 2.5x the perf/watt and Polaris is rated 175W with AMD saying that it will consume less, let s assume that it s 150W, in wich case it will perform like a 375W previous item..

If the basis is say a 290X at 275W Polaris will still perform 375/275 = 1.36x better, so one can slice the numbers the way he wants, there s no way that it will perform the same as actual equivalent products.

 

[airfathaaaaa]

they launched a page for polaris nothing much really but its ok to have them in one place

https://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/software-technologies/radeon-polaris#

 

[Vesku]

they launched a page for polaris nothing much really but its ok to have them in one place

https://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/software-technologies/radeon-polaris#

"Polaris-powered Radeon™ GPUs are engineered to provide premium VR experiences to a wide range of users. "

 

[tential]

AMD said 2.5x the perf/watt and Polaris is rated 175W with AMD saying that it will consume less, let s assume that it s 150W, in wich case it will perform like a 375W previous item..

If the basis is say a 290X at 275W Polaris will still perform 375/275 = 1.36x better, so one can slice the numbers the way he wants, there s no way that it will perform the same as actual equivalent products.

That's currently the working theory by a LOT of people that Polaris will be 290x/290 performance....
It makes 0 sense.... but that's the current line of reasoning I've seen.

 

[maddie]

"Polaris-powered Radeon™ GPUs are engineered to provide premium VR experiences to a wide range of users. "

NO WAY.

Don't you people know that Polaris is going to be slower that the 300 series. Come on now, just be realistic and accept this as a fact.

Why?

I SAID SO.

No other reason need be given.

 

[maddie]

That's currently the working theory by a LOT of people that Polaris will be 290x/290 performance....
It makes 0 sense.... but that's the current line of reasoning I've seen.

I have to disagree.

There is ZERO reasoning by those claiming no improvement on 290 performance levels. Making a statement and claiming it to be a fact cannot be considered a reasoned argument.

 

[Mopetar]

"Polaris-powered Radeon™ GPUs are engineered to provide premium VR experiences to a wide range of users. "

Is premium a defined standard or unit of measurement?

You could ask a dozen people here what that means and get widely differing responses.

 

[96Firebird]

Is premium a defined standard or unit of measurement?

Better than Google Cardboard.

 

[Stuka87]

Lets not forget that AMD showed Polaris running Hitman at 1440P at a solid 60fps. A 980Ti/Fury just manages this, a 390/X will not.

I think people saying it runs like a 290X are just wrong. But by this being such a big rumor, it does prevent people from being underwhelmed. If it does end up being a bit faster than a Fury/980Ti, then everybody will be thrilled. If it isn't, people will get what they expected.

 

[Maverick177]

My Fury can run Hitman 4k@60Fps, but at low settings . AMD didn't specifically mention which settings is applied.

 

[JDG1980]

The Polaris page promises "VR Ready for the Masses". On the "Learn More" link, we see that "VR Ready" is actually a specific technical term, referring to the SteamVR performance test. R9 290 barely makes the cutoff. Therefore, we can conclude that Polaris 10 at least matches some Hawaii SKUs in performance, or else it wouldn't be "VR Ready".

 

[ShintaiDK]

What does AMD call the Sulon Q with IGP VR?

 

[Abwx]

That's currently the working theory by a LOT of people that Polaris will be 290x/290 performance....
It makes 0 sense.... but that's the current line of reasoning I've seen.

If Polaris was to perform like a 290X/390 within the 175W announced by AMD then the perf/watt improvement would be only 1.5x..

Wich is highly unlikely, at equal SP numbers it should be clocked 35-40% higher than a 290/290X, that s straightfoward when looking at 14nm LPP improvement wich is 3.5x, that s 2.5x to improve perf/watt and the remaining to increase perfs at the expense of 1.4x less efficency (3.5/1.4 = 2.5).

 

[USER8000]

It is more likely R9 390 to Fury level performance but using a single six pin PCI-E power connector for reference models.

Polaris 10 and 11 are as much about the aspiration of AMD to get back into laptops and OEM desktop sales,as VR or anything else.

 

[sm625]

Fury was already a huge disappointment. Even hawaii was to a slightly lesser extent. Either AMD is fatally incompetent, or they make the huge leap that the previous products should have been. Polaris 10 should beat a stock 980ti. The question is, will it beat 1070? Because that is going to be the competition. And the 1070 will very likely beat them to market and sell 3x as many cards even if the 1070 isnt faster. I estimate that polaris 10 will have to be as much as 20% faster at the same power and price just to match the sales of the 1070.

 

[Mercennarius]

Fury was already a huge disappointment. Even hawaii was to a slightly lesser extent. Either AMD is fatally incompetent, or they make the huge leap that the previous products should have been. Polaris 10 should beat a stock 980ti. The question is, will it beat 1070? Because that is going to be the competition. And the 1070 will very likely beat them to market and sell 3x as many cards even if the 1070 isnt faster. I estimate that polaris 10 will have to be as much as 20% faster at the same power and price just to match the sales of the 1070.

I wouldn't say Hawaii was a disappointment. It's out performing the NVidia cards it was designed to compete against in all the newer games.

 

[Kenmitch]

What does AMD call the Sulon Q with IGP VR?

Powered by AMD? Worlds 1st all-in-one? Tether-free?

It's not even their product.

Guessing the AMD hardware was the only available solution that fit.