Poland: French Missile Report Was Wrong
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Oh look.
Can't say I'm suprised that they didn't find real French made 2003 missiles.
I remember saying conspiracy
in the original news thread. Just kinda proves the point, people will jump on whatever they can.
Can't say I'm suprised that they didn't find real French made 2003 missiles.
I remember saying conspiracy
Oh boy, do all these right wing analysts and Bush apologists have egg on their faces. But will they apologize and retract their statements? Nope, they'll pretend like nothing happened and continue repeating other falsehoods as they always do.
the best part is nobody seems to mind that saddam had them in clear violation of the League of Nation's resolution. what's the point of passing resolutions if the League of Nations isn't going to enforce them?
Update
Polish govt under fire for French missiles report
By Marcin Grajewski
REUTERS
4:25 a.m. October 6, 2003
WARSAW ? Poland's leftist government faced accusations of incompetence on Monday after it was forced to retract a report that its troops had found modern French-made missiles in Iraq.
The Defence Ministry apologised to France at the weekend for having said Polish troops had found Roland-type missiles manufactured this year in an Iraqi zone controlled by the Polish-led international military force.
French President Jacques Chirac rebuked Poland at a European Union summit on Saturday for having failed to check facts before releasing the information, which would be highly embarrassing for Paris if the missiles were indeed produced this year.
France says Roland 1 missile systems were sent to Iraq from 1980 to 1981 and Roland 2 systems from 1983 to 1986. The most modern Roland 3 was never exported to Iraq and its production ended in 1993.
Polish opposition politicians and a leading newspaper said the affair could harm Poland's position in the EU even before the post-communist country joins the bloc next May.
"This is a disgraceful scandal. It harms our interests," said Jan Rokita, leader of the opposition Civic Platform (PO) party, demanding a parliamentary inquiry.
The Gazeta Wyborcza daily said the incident could weaken Poland's hand in negotiations on a new EU charter.
Some EU members opposing the U.S.-led war on Iraq, notably France and Germany, have been irked by Poland's siding with Britain and Spain in supporting Washington's policies.
"At a delicate moment in negotiations, on which Poland's future in the EU depends, some in Europe again started to regard us as mischief-makers with an anti-French obsession, who are incompetent at the same time," Gazeta commented.
Prime Minister Leszek Miller put a brave face on the diplomatic spat.
"We have agreed with President Chirac that the issue has been put behind us," Miller told public radio, reiterating that a spokesman made the statement on the missiles without consulting Defence Minister Jerzy Szmajdzinski.
But Szmajdzinski struck a note of defiance.
"Let's not create an impression that those missiles were not there at all. And that France has never sold missiles to Iraq," he told private Radio Zet in an interview.
"I understand...President Chirac's nervousness, because it is awkward when the public opinion learns that the French missiles were there," he added.
Polish govt under fire for French missiles report
By Marcin Grajewski
REUTERS
4:25 a.m. October 6, 2003
WARSAW ? Poland's leftist government faced accusations of incompetence on Monday after it was forced to retract a report that its troops had found modern French-made missiles in Iraq.
The Defence Ministry apologised to France at the weekend for having said Polish troops had found Roland-type missiles manufactured this year in an Iraqi zone controlled by the Polish-led international military force.
French President Jacques Chirac rebuked Poland at a European Union summit on Saturday for having failed to check facts before releasing the information, which would be highly embarrassing for Paris if the missiles were indeed produced this year.
France says Roland 1 missile systems were sent to Iraq from 1980 to 1981 and Roland 2 systems from 1983 to 1986. The most modern Roland 3 was never exported to Iraq and its production ended in 1993.
Polish opposition politicians and a leading newspaper said the affair could harm Poland's position in the EU even before the post-communist country joins the bloc next May.
"This is a disgraceful scandal. It harms our interests," said Jan Rokita, leader of the opposition Civic Platform (PO) party, demanding a parliamentary inquiry.
The Gazeta Wyborcza daily said the incident could weaken Poland's hand in negotiations on a new EU charter.
Some EU members opposing the U.S.-led war on Iraq, notably France and Germany, have been irked by Poland's siding with Britain and Spain in supporting Washington's policies.
"At a delicate moment in negotiations, on which Poland's future in the EU depends, some in Europe again started to regard us as mischief-makers with an anti-French obsession, who are incompetent at the same time," Gazeta commented.
Prime Minister Leszek Miller put a brave face on the diplomatic spat.
"We have agreed with President Chirac that the issue has been put behind us," Miller told public radio, reiterating that a spokesman made the statement on the missiles without consulting Defence Minister Jerzy Szmajdzinski.
But Szmajdzinski struck a note of defiance.
"Let's not create an impression that those missiles were not there at all. And that France has never sold missiles to Iraq," he told private Radio Zet in an interview.
"I understand...President Chirac's nervousness, because it is awkward when the public opinion learns that the French missiles were there," he added.
The problem I have is that with 24 hour news channel, every story is broadcast almost instanteously as it happens. There is little time to vet the story. The initial intelligence and spot analysis is sometimes suspect.
Kay No Longer Sure Trailers Were Labs
However, the first headline is what sticks in most people's minds.
When the story is corrected or ammended as more information becomes available, people tend not to remember that.
I mean right after the end of the war, there were numerous initial reports, that WMD could have possibly been found but later they turned out to be this or that.
Many times, when a group of people in Iraq is detained, the word al Qaeda is mentioned in news reports. I wonder how many truly belong to al Qaeda.
Thus, public opinion my be swayed/formed by misleading/incomplete news and information.
I don't know what can be done about this but IMO, the news media and the gov't should not be so quick to release information that the don't have full confidence.
Kay No Longer Sure Trailers Were Labs
However, the first headline is what sticks in most people's minds.
When the story is corrected or ammended as more information becomes available, people tend not to remember that.
I mean right after the end of the war, there were numerous initial reports, that WMD could have possibly been found but later they turned out to be this or that.
Many times, when a group of people in Iraq is detained, the word al Qaeda is mentioned in news reports. I wonder how many truly belong to al Qaeda.
Thus, public opinion my be swayed/formed by misleading/incomplete news and information.
I don't know what can be done about this but IMO, the news media and the gov't should not be so quick to release information that the don't have full confidence.
First of all the League of Nations doesn't exist anymore.
Second:
The Roland short range surface to air missile systems were originally sold to Iraq in the 1980's they are not a prohibited weapons system under UN sanctions imposed after the 1991 war. Thier is no evidence as of yet that these missiles were sold to Iraq by France after these sanctions were imposed. If they do have some of the very last batches of those missiles made after 1993, the most likely sources for them would be from Syrian stocks.
anyway doesnt matter what type they were
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/roland/
The limit to Iraq missile range was 150km, no go with this one either
Those idiots already screwed this up once. Reading the date codes for spare expiration and confusing them with the date codes for production when a Roland system was found at Baghdad airport.
They also listed codes for the missiles that don't even correspond to any known manufacturers codes.
They also listed codes for the missiles that don't even correspond to any known manufacturers codes.
No SAM missiles, and guns are not prohibited. Importing them after sanctions were imposed would be, and any systems imported after 1991 (black market) are illegal. No evidence that these missiles were such.
Update
Polish defence spokesman resigns over missile row
WARSAW, Oct. 7 ? Poland's defence ministry spokesman resigned on Tuesday after triggering a diplomatic row by saying French-made missiles found in Iraq were manufactured in 2003.
''Colonel Eugeniusz Mleczak asked Defence Minister Jerzy Szmajdzinski to relieve him of his post as press spokesman. That request was accepted,'' said the ministry in a short statement.
On Friday Mleczak said the missiles were manufactured in 2003, but this was denied by French President Jacques Chirac, who said the missiles had been out of production for 15 years.
The defence ministry is investigating how the information was issued and is due to report next Monday, at which point many local commentators believe more heads may roll.
Szmajdzinski apologised to the French for the comments but the Polish opposition and media have been highly critical of the government's handling of the affair.
The row came in the midst of a European Union summit in Rome and many domestic commentators said the row could harm Poland's position in the EU even before the post-communist country joins the bloc next May.
Polish defence spokesman resigns over missile row
WARSAW, Oct. 7 ? Poland's defence ministry spokesman resigned on Tuesday after triggering a diplomatic row by saying French-made missiles found in Iraq were manufactured in 2003.
''Colonel Eugeniusz Mleczak asked Defence Minister Jerzy Szmajdzinski to relieve him of his post as press spokesman. That request was accepted,'' said the ministry in a short statement.
On Friday Mleczak said the missiles were manufactured in 2003, but this was denied by French President Jacques Chirac, who said the missiles had been out of production for 15 years.
The defence ministry is investigating how the information was issued and is due to report next Monday, at which point many local commentators believe more heads may roll.
Szmajdzinski apologised to the French for the comments but the Polish opposition and media have been highly critical of the government's handling of the affair.
The row came in the midst of a European Union summit in Rome and many domestic commentators said the row could harm Poland's position in the EU even before the post-communist country joins the bloc next May.
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Then we need getting a new set of Articles that make enforcement the result of 'condemnation' or what ever language they use. Until we do something along those lines or get out we are stuck with it. It is like the USSC. It issues an opinion or decides a case and then moves on. It is up to the executive to effect the change etc.. The UN has the Security Counsel but no execution of non existing penalty for breaking the Resolution.. I agree it is worthless but, as of now it is our law too.
How could they have French weapons? We gave them everything they needed 20 years ago. DUH!!
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