Poker question

[Schfifty Five]

I'm playing on a $1/$2 limit table and I am dealt the following hand. My question is about how on the river, I was unable to re-raise and why that is.

The person before was all-in when he made his $0.75 bet on the river, but still, the other guy had more money as did I and shouldn't I have been allowed to re-raise?



Hold'em Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/11/30 3:00:27 ET
Table 'Jena' 10-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Player 1 ($26.25 in chips)
Seat 2: Schfifty Five ($39.75 in chips)
Seat 3: Player 3 ($22.75 in chips)
Seat 4: Player 4 ($47.50 in chips)
Seat 6: Player 5 ($22.50 in chips)
Seat 7: Player 6 ($44.75 in chips)
Seat 8: Player 7 ($14.75 in chips)
Seat 9: Player 8 ($11.75 in chips)
Seat 10: Player 10 ($94.50 in chips)
Schfifty Five: posts small blind $0.50
Player 3: posts big blind $1
poolman4: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Schfifty Five [8d 8s]
Player 4: calls $1
Player 5: folds
Player 6: folds
Player 7: folds
Player 8: raises $1 to $2
Player 10: folds
Player 1: folds
Schfifty Five: calls $1.50
Player 3: folds
Player 4: calls $1
*** FLOP *** [8c Kc Qd]
Schfifty Five: checks
Player 4: bets $1
Player 8: calls $1
Schfifty Five: calls $1
*** TURN *** [8c Kc Qd] [5s]
Schfifty Five: checks
Player 4: bets $2
Player 8: raises $2 to $4
Schfifty Five: raises $2 to $6
Player 4: raises $2 to $8
Betting is capped
Player 8: calls $4
Schfifty Five: calls $2
*** RIVER *** [8c Kc Qd 5s] [Kh]
Schfifty Five: checks
Player 4: checks
Player 8: bets $0.75 and is all-in
Schfifty Five: calls $0.75 (Unable to re-raise here, only could call)
Player 4: calls $0.75
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Player 8: shows [Jc Kd] (three of a kind, Kings)
Schfifty Five: shows [8d 8s] (a full house, Eights full of Kings)
Player 4: mucks hand
Schfifty Five collected $35.25 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $36.25 | Rake $1
Board [8c Kc Qd 5s Kh]
Seat 1: Player 1 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Schfifty Five (small blind) showed [8d 8s] and won ($35.25) with a full house, Eights full of Kings
Seat 3: Player 3 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Player 4 mucked [5c 6c]
Seat 6: Player 5 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Player 6 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Player 7 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Player 8 showed [Jc Kd] and lost with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 10: Player 10 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

 

[Crusty]

Perhaps because the only person that bet was out of money so you can't raise him? If Player 4 had bet instead of checking, and then Player 8 had gone all in you probably would have been able to re-raise player 4.

 

[Schfifty Five]

Originally posted by: Crusty
Perhaps because the only person that bet was out of money so you can't raise him? If Player 4 had bet instead of checking, and then Player 8 had gone all in you probably would have been able to re-raise player 4.

That seems like the most logical answer, still though, wish I coulda re-raised b/c I could have won some more money =P

 

[BRObedoza]

but he could have raised to player 4, right?

 

[Schfifty Five]

Originally posted by: sleepmachine
but he could have raised to player 4, right?

That's what I wanted to do and am wondering why I could not.

 

[Random Variable]

If you call an all-in, anyone behind you can't raise. But that's not the situation you are describing.

 

[the unknown]

Interesting. I would definitely call it a "bug" of the game. In this situation you should be able to raise in which player 4 and yourself create a side pot. This side pot has only you and player 4 to be eligible to win, regardless if played 8 wins the main pot. Whoever has the better hand of the two of you takes the side pot, and the main pot if he beats player 8.

I am thinking the game thought you could not re-raise a player who is already all in-- ignoring the other players with chips still standing. Because you happened to be right after player 8. Or some sort of rule, where pot limit = someone's all in, or pot limit is reached after someone goes all in where betting was previously capped. I usually don't play with betting caps so I'm unsure of the normal rules behind this.

Oh, and you played that hand nicely, check raise ftw

 

[Schfifty Five]

Originally posted by: the unknown
Interesting. I would definitely call it a "bug" of the game. In this situation you should be able to raise in which player 4 and yourself create a side pot. This side pot has only you and player 4 to be eligible to win, regardless if played 8 wins the main pot. Whoever has the better hand of the two of you takes the side pot, and the main pot if he beats player 8.

I am thinking the game thought you could not re-raise a player who is already all in-- ignoring the other players with chips still standing. Because you happened to be right after player 8. Or some sort of rule, where pot limit = someone's all in, or pot limit is reached after someone goes all in where betting was previously capped. I usually don't play with betting caps so I'm unsure of the normal rules behind this.

Oh, and you played that hand nicely, check raise ftw

thanks =)

I think I will email pokerstars support and ask them about it.

 

[rasczak]

damn this game to the pits of HELL!! anyone still playing?

 

[Gunslinger08]

I should get back into playing. How hard is it to transfer money now?

 

[rasczak]

Originally posted by: joshsquall
I should get back into playing. How hard is it to transfer money now?

i don't play for money. i just play fun games

 

[vudood]

u couldn't raise because you already had your action (your check) and the raise to you was not a full bet. if player 8 was all in with $2 or more then you would have been able to raise. also if player 8 was before you and went all in with $0.75 you would have been able to raise...

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: vudood
u couldn't raise because you already had your action (your check) and the raise to you was not a full bet. if player 8 was all in with $2 or more then you would have been able to raise. also if player 8 was before you and went all in with $0.75 you would have been able to raise...

you can't check raise?

 

[vudood]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: vudood
u couldn't raise because you already had your action (your check) and the raise to you was not a full bet. if player 8 was all in with $2 or more then you would have been able to raise. also if player 8 was before you and went all in with $0.75 you would have been able to raise...

you can't check raise?

not in this situation because the bet to the OP was below the min bet. since player 8 only bet 0.75 he did not have a full bet (the min is $2) and you cannot raise. if player 8 was all in for $2 then yes, you would be able to raise....

edit - actually i just read that in limit a half bet or more constitutes a full bet so player 8 would only have to bet $1 for it to be considered a full bet...

 

[Schfifty Five]

Originally posted by: vudood

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: vudood
u couldn't raise because you already had your action (your check) and the raise to you was not a full bet. if player 8 was all in with $2 or more then you would have been able to raise. also if player 8 was before you and went all in with $0.75 you would have been able to raise...

you can't check raise?

not in this situation because the bet to the OP was below the min bet. since player 8 only bet 0.75 he did not have a full bet (the min is $2) and you cannot raise. if player 8 was all in for $2 then yes, you would be able to raise....

edit - actually i just read that in limit a half bet or more constitutes a full bet so player 8 would only have to bet $1 for it to be considered a full bet...

I see, thanks for the reply. I also got an email back from pokerstars and they pretty much said the exact same thing. I never about this rule, always learning something new.

 

[Schfifty Five]

Originally posted by: joshsquall
I should get back into playing. How hard is it to transfer money now?

I have been playing on Fulltiltpoker and just recently pokerstars.

It's very easy to transfer money. Fulltiltpoker I just use my BoA checking/debit Visa card (but my mastercard CC doesn't work). For pokerstars, I just use eChecks and they withdraw from my bank account directly. In both cases, I got instant credit in my poker account to start playing.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: Schfifty Five

Originally posted by: joshsquall
I should get back into playing. How hard is it to transfer money now?

I have been playing on Fulltiltpoker and just recently pokerstars.

It's very easy to transfer money. Fulltiltpoker I just use my BoA checking/debit Visa card (but my mastercard CC doesn't work). For pokerstars, I just use eChecks and they withdraw from my bank account directly. In both cases, I got instant credit in my poker account to start playing.

How hard is it to withdraw money?

edit - Nevermind. Declined my Visa and Mastercard and wants my full SSN for an eCheck. No thanks.

 

[FP]

Originally posted by: vudood

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: vudood
u couldn't raise because you already had your action (your check) and the raise to you was not a full bet. if player 8 was all in with $2 or more then you would have been able to raise. also if player 8 was before you and went all in with $0.75 you would have been able to raise...

you can't check raise?

not in this situation because the bet to the OP was below the min bet. since player 8 only bet 0.75 he did not have a full bet (the min is $2) and you cannot raise. if player 8 was all in for $2 then yes, you would be able to raise....

edit - actually i just read that in limit a half bet or more constitutes a full bet so player 8 would only have to bet $1 for it to be considered a full bet...

Yeah, this.

I ran into this in a casino and had never heard of the rule.

 

[Schfifty Five]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Schfifty Five

Originally posted by: joshsquall
I should get back into playing. How hard is it to transfer money now?

I have been playing on Fulltiltpoker and just recently pokerstars.

It's very easy to transfer money. Fulltiltpoker I just use my BoA checking/debit Visa card (but my mastercard CC doesn't work). For pokerstars, I just use eChecks and they withdraw from my bank account directly. In both cases, I got instant credit in my poker account to start playing.

How hard is it to withdraw money?

edit - Nevermind. Declined my Visa and Mastercard and wants my full SSN for an eCheck. No thanks.

For fulltiltpoker, I cash out via checks, takes about 7 business days for me.

For PS, I haven't cashed out anything yet, but I'm just going to do checks also.

What's wrong w/ asking for SSN?