Poker Hand

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: Kev

Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Dealt KK as dealer.

Everyone folds to me so I call hoping to trap one of the blinds.

SB folds, BB checks.

Flop: 3s, 8h, 8c

BB checks and I check.

Turn: Kh

He checks, I bet pot. He calls.

River: 10d

He checks, I bet pot. He raises.

Calling would have almost put me all in, so I go all in. He calls.

He flips over 88.

I have 2nd to nuts and never figured him for a pocket pair let alone 4 of a kind. I thought at best he had an 8. How do I get away from that hand and not lose all my chips?

You can't, you played it perfectly. Preflop raise would've been better, but 88 would call a blind steal attempt anyway.

yah but if he had bet after the flop, the 88 COULD have check/raised him. And at that point he would have wanted to fold thinking the guy had atleast a 3 of a kind, saving hm from going all in. But if I got the turn card, I would have done the exact same thing.

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: chorb
You don't, he had a good read on you and knew he had the better hand, and played you.

Suck up the loss and play again.

Yeah he must be brilliant to read him to know that his quads were good. :roll:

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: iamme

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Unless your pre-flop raise was huge you're probably not going to fold a pair of 8's in the blinds to what is an obvious steal attempt. Nor do you really WANT to fold them since you have a massive equity edge.

Ugly situation for sure, not like you had a lot of choice but to lose your stack.

Viper GTS

i agree.

does anyone else think that the BB might have made a (lucky) blunder by not raising pre-flop? with no one showing strength, i would have raised and tried to take the pot there, instead of playing a medium pair out of position.

This is what threw me off the most. The only good two hands I would not have raised with in BB is AA and KK. Since he didn't raise I figured him for two over cards, a high pair or crap. With two eights on the board, I had to play tight after flop and pre-turn.

 

[V00DOO]

I don't think any one can get away from that hand. You were pot committed. It was a similiar hand on high stakes poker where Gus Hansen had 4 of a kind and Daniel Negreanu had a full house. Daniel lost over a quarter mil on that hand. I beleive Daniel should ge able to get away from that hand. There were to many hands that could have beaten his hand. Of course he was playing the person not the cards!

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[thegimp03]

I would have thrown all my money in on the turn as well. Not many people can get away from a full house like that. I'd have never guessed that he had quads, and that's why I'm not a pro.

 

[V00DOO]

Originally posted by: thegimp03
I would have thrown all my money in on the turn as well. Not many people can get away from a full house like that. I'd have never guessed that he had quads, and that's why I'm not a pro.

He was thinking of trapping but little did he know he was the one getting trap. Oh well, that's poker for you.

 

[DaShen]

You don't unless the guy has a tell. You got beat on a hand that killed you. Go figure.

The only other thing you could have done is raise pre-flop. Anyone who calls will have something usually, so that can be a tell.

But because that put you all-in and the other guy obviously had more chips, that usually means you were getting beaten before the hand anyways. Don't blame bad play on one beaten hand.

 

[Firebot]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Dealt KK as dealer.

Everyone folds to me so I call hoping to trap one of the blinds.

SB folds, BB checks.

Flop: 3s, 8h, 8c

BB checks and I check.

Turn: Kh

He checks, I bet pot. He calls.

River: 10d

He checks, I bet pot. He raises.

Calling would have almost put me all in, so I go all in. He calls.

He flips over 88.

I have 2nd to nuts and never figured him for a pocket pair let alone 4 of a kind. I thought at best he had an 8. How do I get away from that hand and not lose all my chips?

You simply got outplayed by a better poker player who knew what to do with 4 of a kind on the flop. Nothing wrong with your game. A novice would have raised big on that hand, instead he checked. He caught you on the bait that he put you out. You just got unlucky that the turn gave you a full house and the 2nd to nuts, causing you to lose big due to pretty much having to play that hand with the odds heavily in your favour.

 

[UncleWai]

Originally posted by: Firebot

Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Dealt KK as dealer.

Everyone folds to me so I call hoping to trap one of the blinds.

SB folds, BB checks.

Flop: 3s, 8h, 8c

BB checks and I check.

Turn: Kh

He checks, I bet pot. He calls.

River: 10d

He checks, I bet pot. He raises.

Calling would have almost put me all in, so I go all in. He calls.

He flips over 88.

I have 2nd to nuts and never figured him for a pocket pair let alone 4 of a kind. I thought at best he had an 8. How do I get away from that hand and not lose all my chips?

You simply got outplayed by a better poker player who knew what to do with 4 of a kind on the flop. Nothing wrong with your game. A novice would have raised big on that hand, instead he checked. He caught you on the bait that he put you out. You just got unlucky that the turn gave you a full house and the 2nd to nuts, causing you to lose big due to pretty much having to play that hand with the odds heavily in your favour.

What are you smoking? Any semi-rational player would check when they flopped quads.
You guys are overanalyzed on a simple game of online poker.

 

[ITJunkie]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: chorb
You don't, he had a good read on you and knew he had the better hand, and played you.

Suck up the loss and play again.

He had no read on me - he had no idea what I had. He didn't need to have any read since he had the nuts.

That's just it...he didn't need to read you because he knew he nailed it after the flop. Sounds like he just turned you out and, as someone else said, "that's just poker". It doesn't sound like you did anything wrong and I probably would have road that hand too.

 

[HomeBrewerDude]

Originally posted by: ITJunkie

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: chorb
You don't, he had a good read on you and knew he had the better hand, and played you.

Suck up the loss and play again.

He had no read on me - he had no idea what I had. He didn't need to have any read since he had the nuts.

That's just it...he didn't need to read you because he knew he nailed it after the flop. Sounds like he just turned you out and, as someone else said, "that's just poker". It doesn't sound like you did anything wrong and I probably would have road that hand too.

agreed.

 

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax
How do I get away from that hand and not lose all my chips?

You don't. You pay him off every time.

 

[purbeast0]

Let me guess though ... this was on party poker?

 

[monk3y]

That's just one of those hands that you were bound to lose a LOT of money in. THere's just no way you can get away from a hand like that.

 

[KLin]

I was playing in a cardroom a few weeks ago and sat down at a NL table (actually 4-200 since there's a county ordinance that limits a single wager to $200 max). I bought in for 100, and my first hand was KK. I caught a K on the flop, one guy goes all in on the turn wih a flush draw and also a K. He catches the flush on the river and puts me out.

Bought in for 200 more, but I was playing like crap. I finally lost it all with pocket aces against a guy catching a queen on the flop and the turn. That's NL poker.

 

[buck]

You dont, tell him nice hand and reload...

 

[sixone]

Originally posted by: Cutterhead
I would have played the hand same as you. No way I would have folded that full house on the off chance he had 4 of a kind. One of those hands that just sucks for you; no point thinking too hard about it.

Yup, he would have called whatever pre-flop raise you made. He checked to you twice after the flop - no way for you to guess. You made the right plays, and got burned.

That's how life is sometimes. Only in poker, there's always the next hand. Shrug it off and move on.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

He played his hand perfectly, your only shot was to run him off pre flop. But I understand why you didn't. That's why they call it gambling

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: DaShen
But because that put you all-in and the other guy obviously had more chips, that usually means you were getting beaten before the hand anyways. Don't blame bad play on one beaten hand.

Wow you're being presumptous. I could have been the 2nd stack on the table with 40% of the total chips against the top stack who had 42% with 8 other players.

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: purbeast0
Let me guess though ... this was on party poker?

Poker Stars.

 

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: DaShen
You don't unless the guy has a tell. You got beat on a hand that killed you. Go figure.

The only other thing you could have done is raise pre-flop. Anyone who calls will have something usually, so that can be a tell.

But because that put you all-in and the other guy obviously had more chips, that usually means you were getting beaten before the hand anyways. Don't blame bad play on one beaten hand.

I'm doing everything I can to get all of my money in with Kings full here. I have played with people who would have made the same play with A8. It's not "bad play" by the OP that lost this hand.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

I got caught in something like this a while back.. same deal except the guy beat me with sixes. I didnt have a full house, but I had a king high flush. I was almost certain he didnt have the ace, but I put him possibly on the boat. Oh well.

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: KLin
I was playing in a cardroom a few weeks ago and sat down at a NL table (actually 4-200 since there's a county ordinance that limits a single wager to $200 max). I bought in for 100, and my first hand was KK. I caught a K on the flop, one guy goes all in on the turn wih a flush draw and also a K. He catches the flush on the river and puts me out.

Bought in for 200 more, but I was playing like crap. I finally lost it all with pocket aces against a guy catching a queen on the flop and the turn. That's NL poker.

That's tough. I hate it when donkeys call or make bets and then pull cards against odds.

 

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: KLin
I was playing in a cardroom a few weeks ago and sat down at a NL table (actually 4-200 since there's a county ordinance that limits a single wager to $200 max). I bought in for 100, and my first hand was KK. I caught a K on the flop, one guy goes all in on the turn wih a flush draw and also a K. He catches the flush on the river and puts me out.

Bought in for 200 more, but I was playing like crap. I finally lost it all with pocket aces against a guy catching a queen on the flop and the turn. That's NL poker.

That's tough. I hate it when donkeys call or make bets and then pull cards against odds.

Just remind yourself that you are thankful they are in the game. Never throw rocks in the pond.

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: mpitts
I'm doing everything I can to get all of my money in with Kings full here. I have played with people who would have made the same play with A8. It's not "bad play" by the OP that lost this hand.

Hell I have played against guys who call with A3 or A10.