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Points from Obama's speech
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Ozoned
Diamond Member
Obama, hit the nail on the head. Details need to be worked out.
Oh wait they cannot and still stick to everything he said. They have had 7 months to work out details, but instead give broad ranging promises THAT CANNOT be fulfilled.
Obama and every liberal board are living in fantasy land if you think everything Obama said can be achieved.
Oh wait they cannot and still stick to everything he said. They have had 7 months to work out details, but instead give broad ranging promises THAT CANNOT be fulfilled.
Obama and every liberal board are living in fantasy land if you think everything Obama said can be achieved.
TheAdvocate
Platinum Member
Douchebag, and wrong.
I'm less and less convinced by Obama's math on how this is all going to be paid for, and the effect on our deficit, but I believe it's a necessary thing to get done, even if it means a tax increase (just don't ask me how I'm doing April 15th or you'll get a wall of me cursing).
But I have absolutely had it with the Republican posturing and misinformation campaign. It pisses me off even more because I think there are legitimate criticisms to be made of Obama's plan and his numbers (I'd like to see some measure of patient incentives in the plan), and instead we get bullshit like the above and death panels.
I'm so sick of rampant partisanship across the country. It's embarrassing to be American right now.
Patranus
Diamond Member
So it is the insurance companies fault you didn't read the extent of your coverage before you purchased it? It is the insurance companies fault you just ASSUMED that certain things were covered?
Unexpected things usually happen when you assume.
Again, can we please get back on topic and discuss Obamas assertion of "scare tactics" and then have him deliver a speech filled with "scare tactics"?
waggy
No Lifer
ok call me a cold hearted asshole. but i agree with them. IF the procedure has LESS then %5 chance of extending a terminily ill patiants life then why do it? i also feel its wrong to give a 80+yr old a heart, liver, etc when a 30yr old family man may need it more.
you want that done? pay out of pocket.
and the "death panals" were not even what Oregon was doing. it was giving people who are going to die end of life counceling etc. that is good. People should be able to die with dignity
1. The Government is inefficent.
2. Medicare shows just how expensive UHC really is.
3. Its complete BS UHC or these proposals will save money.
There is a $5trillion defiect for Medicare over the next 21 years.
After 2030, the yearly deficit quickly moves towards a trillion a year.
Medicare has been the MOST ineffiecently run government program ever, and well I don't see any government run healthcare being any better. And while Obama says that this isnt a takeover, no one has said it is. They have called it what it is, and what many of the far left want it to be, and that is a precursor to single payer UHC.
If the government cannot keep medicare costs incheck how the hell do you honestly expect them to keep UHC in check? And no the public option doesnt do anything to help medicare costs. And yes ditching medicare advantage is cutting benefits, no matter what Obama's double speak is.
Obama is trying to appease his far left and his moderates, but unless one side of the other caves it is IMPOSSIBLE to do what he vaguely outlines(ie:says "we" are going to do this, but fails to say how exactly "we" are going to do it). Saying is one thing, actually accomplishing it is another.
TheAdvocate
Platinum Member
Funny how I watched it live on a major network. Funnier still that it was given by a birther, and a co-sponsor of the Life Sustaining Treatment Preferences Act of 2009 which mandates that Medicare pay for the so called Death Panels. Hilarious irony.
"It's his goals that should concern every single working American. You're gonna get fucked. Mark this thread.
Write down your income and your tax liability at the end of the year, print out your 1099s and state returns. No need to post it. Just write it down, record it, print it out.
Then in Y2010 do the same.
Y2011, do the same
Pay attention to when Obama's goals are made into law.
Write down your tax liability. Record it. Compare it to previous years. Pay attention.
This speech should be your battle cry. This is the call to action against tyranny. This is our call to action and we will not be defeated."
What should concern every single American are closed-minded people like yourself, patrANUS, BarryS, profJ - Obama could have come out tonight and said 'every single american citizen gets 1 million dollars, tax free, and it won't raise our debt a penny' - and the likes of you would still be bitching about it.
Nothing the 'other side' says is ever going to be correct or good enough for you - why bother trying to dispute any individual parts at this point?
Write down your income and your tax liability at the end of the year, print out your 1099s and state returns. No need to post it. Just write it down, record it, print it out.
Then in Y2010 do the same.
Y2011, do the same
Pay attention to when Obama's goals are made into law.
Write down your tax liability. Record it. Compare it to previous years. Pay attention.
This speech should be your battle cry. This is the call to action against tyranny. This is our call to action and we will not be defeated."
What should concern every single American are closed-minded people like yourself, patrANUS, BarryS, profJ - Obama could have come out tonight and said 'every single american citizen gets 1 million dollars, tax free, and it won't raise our debt a penny' - and the likes of you would still be bitching about it.
Nothing the 'other side' says is ever going to be correct or good enough for you - why bother trying to dispute any individual parts at this point?
umbrella39
Lifer
Please don't feed the ex-banned trolls.
umbrella39
Lifer
He's probably a first generation American as it is. Pathetic.
CrackRabbit
Lifer
Imfullofshit would fit much better.
shira
Diamond Member
Hahaha. You're a laugh riot.
So, let's get this straight: You have a serious medical condition and either try to get approval for expensive treatment, or you actually get treatment, and in either case your insurance company refuses to pay for it. So now either YOU'RE IN A HUGE FINANCIAL HOLE ALREADY or YOU'RE SICK RIGHT NOW, AT THIS MOMENT, AND YOU'RE INSURANCE COMPANY REFUSES TO PAY FOR TREATMENT!
But the Patranus solution? Go to ANOTHER insurance company and get a better plan.
Which conveniently ignores - you FVCKING TROLL IDIOT - THAT BECAUSE YOU NOW HAVE A CLEAR-AS-DAYLIGHT, PRE-EXISTING MEDICAL CONDITION YOU CANNOT POSSIBLY GET ANOTHER INSURANCE POLICY!!!!
So please just stop posting. Stop. Everything that comes off of your fingertips is poison. Everything is nonsense. You're a fool, a mental midgit, an intellectual void.
YOU are the mysterious "dark energy" that is causing the universe to expand at an accelerating rate BECAUSE EVERY ATOM IN THE UNIVERSE WANTS TO BE AS FAR FROM YOU AS POSSIBLE!
Mods: Please excuse my strong language above. But the truth IS a defense, isn't it?
CycloWizard
Lifer
The speech was all about what he wants to do, but almost nothing on how he's going to do it. I thought the Republicans were pretty childish in their behavior, but they do have a point: where is the bill detailing how this is going to be done? It's very well and good for me to say we're going to give everyone in the world all the hookers and blow they can handle and that Santa will pay for it, but in the end, the devil is in the details.
halik
Lifer
Not many with the current system. I'm gonna assume you're making an argument that if people wanted to have health insurance, they'd buy it themselves.
The problem is
1) externalities due to lack of care over long term end up as costs for -care/-caid
2) the fact that hospitals cannot reject you from the ER allows for risk transfer and free lunch from the consumer. Saving money by not getting health insurance ends up coming from tax payers/currently insured when you go to the ER and not pay.
if you address this and/or mandate that people w/o insurance cannot use the ER, the outcome of your question would be different.
Also people on average are really stupid and their discount rate is high, plus you get the invincible factor of your people that skews their subjective probability of needing expensive coverage.
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