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I'm really starting to hate the internet. You can't look anything up without wading through an ocean of ai bullshit. I just looked up the capacity of a tesla battery. I picked them, just cause. It doesn't matter. In very broad strokes, I wanted to get an idea of how long it would take to charge an ev via solar panel. Just personal amusement, and nothing I need hard data on.

I clicked on two links, and both left me thinking "Hmm...". So many words, with so much repetition, and questionable data. I wonder if ai is paid by the word? I'm 0% more informed than I was before searching, and about 80% more annoyed. I just quit. I don't care that much. Fuck everything. It's all shit...
I have seen this a LOT lately, researching just about any topic, find some random-ass website with a clearly AI-generated page about it that's based on scraping Reddit, YouTube, forums, etc. And then the site will turn out to have a big swath of these articles on various random subjects. My kingdom for an extension that blocks these bullshit sites...

The YouTubechannels Aging Wheels and Technology Connections have some good videos on this, particularly Aging Wheels. He's been on-and-off working on converting a Ford Escape to an EV (mostly off lately).
 
I won't let you 🙂

With a typical average home solar system (7–8 kW), you can often replenish a full day's driving for a Model 3 in a few hours of sunlight, making solar a great match for EV ownership. A complete 0–100% charge from empty usually takes 1–3 full sunny days (or 8–20 hours of effective production time), depending on the variant and conditions. For precise numbers, use tools like PVWatts (from NREL) with your address, or check Tesla's app for solar integration estimates.

Charging a Tesla Model 3 with solar panels depends on several variables: the car's battery size, your solar system's capacity and efficiency, peak sun hours in your location, charging setup (e.g., direct solar-to-EV or via a home battery/inverter), and whether you're doing a full charge or topping up daily driving.


Tesla Model 3 Battery Basics​


Current Model 3 variants have these approximate usable battery capacities (real-world figures are often slightly less than nominal due to buffers for longevity):


  • Rear-Wheel Drive (base/standard): ~57.5–60 kWh
  • Long Range / Performance: ~75–79 kWh (some packs rated up to 82 kWh nominal)

A full charge from 0–100% typically requires 10–15% more energy than the usable capacity due to charging losses (heat, conversion inefficiency). For example:


  • ~64 kWh drawn from the wall for a ~57.5 kWh battery.
  • ~88 kWh drawn for a ~79 kWh battery.

Average Home Solar System​


"Average solar panels" usually refers to a typical residential rooftop system in the US:


  • Size: ~7–8 kW (median around 7.2 kW; often 15–20 panels of 400W each).
  • Daily production: Varies by location (peak sun hours). In the US, this averages 4–6 hours of effective full sun per day, so a 7 kW system might produce 25–40+ kWh per day on average (higher in sunny states like California or Arizona, lower in cloudy or northern areas). A single 400W panel produces roughly 1.6–2.5 kWh per day under average conditions.

Charging Time Estimates​


Solar output is not constant—it peaks midday and drops to zero at night—so charging is usually spread over daylight hours (or stored in a battery like a Powerwall for later use). Here's a rough breakdown for a full 0–100% charge using an average 7 kW home solar system (assuming ~5 peak sun hours/day and typical system/inverter losses of ~10–20%):


  • Daily energy available for charging (after home use): Often 10–30 kWh excess on a typical system, depending on your household consumption. A dedicated or oversized system can direct more to the car.
  • Time for a full charge:
    • Base Model 3 (~60 kWh usable): 8–15+ hours of effective solar production (could take 1–3 sunny days if solar is only partially dedicated or production is moderate).
    • Long Range (~79 kWh usable): 12–20+ hours of effective solar production (often 2–4 sunny days for a full top-up from low battery).

If your solar system is sized specifically to offset EV charging (common recommendation: add 2–6 kW extra panels for a Model 3's daily needs):


  • For average US driving (~30–40 miles/day, using ~10–12 kWh), a modest dedicated solar array (e.g., 2–4 kW) can replenish that in 4–8 hours of good sunlight.
  • Full charge from empty with a strong 10+ kW system in a sunny area: Potentially 6–10 hours of peak production time spread across the day.

Real-world examples from owners and tests:


  • Many report that a typical home solar setup can fully offset daily Model 3 driving with excess production during peak hours.
  • Portable/small solar setups (a few panels) take days or even 10+ days for a full charge due to low output.
  • With Tesla's "Charge on Solar" feature (works with Powerwall), the car automatically adjusts to use excess solar without over-drawing from the grid.

Key Factors That Change the Time​


  • Location/sunlight: 6+ peak sun hours (Southwest US) = faster charging. 3–4 hours (Pacific Northwest or winter) = much slower.
  • System orientation/shading/efficiency: South-facing, no shade is ideal. Inverter and wiring losses reduce effective output.
  • Charging rate: Tesla Model 3 supports up to ~11.5 kW on a Level 2 home charger. Solar must produce at least that much (or use battery storage) for maximum speed; otherwise, it charges slower or intermittently.
  • Daily vs. full charge: Most people don't charge from 0%. Topping up 20–50 miles of range daily is much quicker (often 2–5 hours of solar).
  • Battery state and temperature: Charging slows near 100% and in extreme cold/heat.

Bottom Line​


With a typical average home solar system (7–8 kW), you can often replenish a full day's driving for a Model 3 in a few hours of sunlight, making solar a great match for EV ownership. A complete 0–100% charge from empty usually takes 1–3 full sunny days (or 8–20 hours of effective production time), depending on the variant and conditions. For precise numbers, use tools like PVWatts (from NREL) with your address, or check Tesla's app for solar integration estimates.
Why would you fucking do this? He directly expressed frustration with the ocean of AI bullshit, and you present him with more AI bullshit. I cannot imagine trusting Mechahitler to provided an unbiased response on solar charging a Tesla, you'd have to be some kind of damn fool.
 
Why would you fucking do this? He directly expressed frustration with the ocean of AI bullshit, and you present him with more AI bullshit. I cannot imagine trusting Mechahitler to provided an unbiased response on solar charging a Tesla, you'd have to be some kind of damn fool.
Settle down. At least you get a ballpark figure. Then you try to corroborate that from other sources. No harm done.
 
Settle down. At least you get a ballpark figure. Then you try to corroborate that from other sources. No harm done.
"Hey, I heard you don't like this thing. Have some more of that thing, and then you can do exactly the same legwork you'd already need to do if you wanted an accurate answer. I've contributed nothing, hope you like it!"
Honestly it's a net loss.
 
Honestly it's a net loss.
Disagree. He just wanted an idea. Now he has something to work with. A starting point. If that AI gave a wildly inaccurate answer, he would find that out soon enough. It's not like he is depending on this information for doing something critical that could cause financial loss or something.
 
Disagree. He just wanted an idea. Now he has something to work with. A starting point. If that AI gave a wildly inaccurate answer, he would find that out soon enough. It's not like he is depending on this information for doing something critical that could cause financial loss or something.
What you provided isn't of any more value than the information he already found. That seems to be a key factor you're ignoring.
 
What you provided isn't of any more value than the information he already found. That seems to be a key factor you're ignoring.
Let's see what he says. I'm not ignoring anything. I know what AI is capable of (at times insanely and dangerously incorrect). It's a tool. No harm using it coz it's free. Just me stopping using it isn't going to change the course of history or stop these companies and their investors from trying to prop up the value of AI with false claims. The problem isn't AI. It's human greed which has increased exponentially since 2020.
 
Let's see what he says. I'm not ignoring anything. I know what AI is capable of (at times insanely and dangerously incorrect). It's a tool. No harm using it coz it's free. Just me stopping using it isn't going to change the course of history or stop these companies and their investors from trying to prop up the value of AI with false claims. The problem isn't AI. It's human greed which has increased exponentially since 2020.
You are though? He said "I'm annoyed and tired of this AI bullshit with questionable data proliferating on the web" and you gleefully said "here, have some AI bullshit!"
How is that not ignoring his complaint when you provided exactly what he was complaining about (questionable data from an AI source)? Now, if YOU had done some legwork to validate whether the information was indeed reliable, then you would have done something worthwhile.
Meanwhile, you've generated additional AI traffic, providing metrics to show that "see, people want to use AI!"
Even though you didn't actually want to use it. I see it happen all over these forums, people ask a question, and someone else will go off and ask an AI about it. They didn't actually want to use AI for that, and now we've got additional AI-generated data on the forum, which will be scraped by AI and fed back into the sausage-maker. When you use AI, you're feeding the machine. You want to use it for an actual, legitimate purpose? Go ahead. But don't use it on behalf of other people at the very least, especially in response to them expressing frustration with the decline of reliable data on the web due to proliferation of questionable AI data.
 
Valid points.

However, few people on the forums boycotting AI isn't going to change the outcome when millions of buffoons are depending on AI for their jobs. My useless IT guy (who only has a job because he is the same nationality as the COO) became so confident with his use of AI fakery (drafting long useless emails and sending them company wide showing what a great professional he is and how he solved a problem) that he started feeling superior to the point that he started openly disagreeing with me even though I'm 11 years his senior and he never had the courage to do that before. He used to ask me for advice before but now thanks to AI, he doesn't need me anymore so turned on me.

And he is just one data point. Who knows how many more hapless idiots out there are absolutely dependent on AI for pretending their brains can do the basic functions of thinking. I look forward to the day when these AI companies suddenly jack up their prices through the roof so these lamers can finally taste some karma.
 
Yet again, a human, through their own actions made a decision for me today that I will no longer support them in any effort.

Ya dun Flubbered it Mikey. You had two chances to do the right thing.

You may well win, but it won't be with my help.
 
Yet again, a human, through their own actions made a decision for me today that I will no longer support them in any effort.

Ya dun Flubbered it Mikey. You had two chances to do the right thing.

You may well win, but it won't be with my help.
Do you keep some kind of file of those who bear your wrath, or is this strictly a mental checklist?
 
Been making BocaBurgers lately. They showed up at groceryoutlet, and I hadn't had them in over 10 years. Got pack to refresh my memory, then bought a ton more. They're my favorite meatless burger. The first, and the best. It's just an honest soy burger that doesn't pretend to be something it's not. It is what it is, and it's good. I made a couple tonight with cheese, pickled jalapeño, raw onion, and a bunch of prepared horseradish. Excellent!
 
I've packed them as full as I can at Chinese buffets, to the point of not being able to close the lid and it was likely less than half of that.

BUT, the box goes in a bag and sits on the floor in front of the seat



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It's the stupid computers inside. They make it cheap an easy to assemble at the cost of reliability. Clocksprings and relays are just about bulletproof. Oh, but the new appliances save energy, fap, fap, fap :rollseyes: Yea, an impressive 10¢/day; maybe... For that you trade 90% of the lifespan, and buy another, cause energy use doesn't count if you offload it to another country. Out of sight, out of mind, right?

Assuming you can find the parts to repair new trash, they cost a substantial portion of just getting a new machine. For another couple hundred $, you can get something that isn't 98% full of used parts ready to go bad. They make it make economic sense to be wasteful
 
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