Point of hose in toilet?

fleabag · Dec 9, 2009

IronWing said:
You have it backwards. First the flush valve fills the bowl, then the bowl is emptied via the siphon effect. By the time the siphon is complete. the bowl is empty except for the bit of water left when suction is broken.

Uh, I agree with this statmenet... So how exactly does your statement contradict what I just said?

IronWing · Dec 9, 2009

fleabag said:
Uh, I agree with this statmenet... So how exactly does your statement contradict what I just said?

Are you here to learn or to be a dick? Make up your mind. If the former, then reread all that has been written. If the latter, go back to the garage.

kevbot · Dec 9, 2009

fleabag said:
Sadly, I'd believe it considering that it looks to be entirely pointless.

I mean look here:
The Flush Mechanism

The purpose of the tank is to act like the bucket of water described in the previous section. You have to get enough water into the bowl fast enough to activate the siphon. If you tried to do that using a normal house water pipe, water would not come in fast enough -- the siphon would never start. So the tank acts as a capacitor. It holds several gallons of water, which it takes perhaps 30 to 60 seconds to accumulate. When you flush, all of the water in the tank is dumped into the bowl in about three seconds -- the equivalent of pouring in a bucket of water.

There is a chain attached to the handle on the side of the tank. When you push on the handle, it pulls the chain, which is connected to the flush valve. The chain lifts the flush valve, which then floats out of the way, revealing a 2- to 3-inch (5.08- to 7.62-cm) diameter drain hole. Uncovering this hole allows the water to enter the bowl. In most toilets, the bowl has been molded so that the water enters the rim, and some of it drains out through holes in the rim. A good portion of the water flows down to a larger hole at the bottom of the bowl. This hole is known as the siphon jet. It releases most of the water directly into the siphon tube. Because all of the water in the bowl enters the tank in about three seconds, it is enough to fill and activate the siphon effect, and all of the water and waste in the bowl is sucked out.

So if opening the flush valve not only empties the bowl but fills the bowl with water as well, what could possibly be the use of that hose then?

The last sentence in your quote clearly states that "all of the water is sucked out.".

fleabag · Dec 9, 2009

kevbot said:
The last sentence in your quote clearly states that "all of the water is sucked out.".

yeah I see that and that DOES happen, but....THEN I can clearly see the bowl fill up with water to its designated level and then everything stops except the tank which IT continues to fill until IT has reached the pre-determined level.

kevbot · Dec 9, 2009

fleabag said:
yeah I see that and that DOES happen, but....THEN I can clearly see the bowl fill up with water to its designated level and then everything stops except the tank which IT continues to fill until IT has reached the pre-determined level.

The point is, as in many other threads you have participated in, you made a claim, then backed it up with information that clearly refuted your claim. For all I know, maybe your personal toilet works this way. Neither of the toilets in my house behave in that manner.

fleabag · Dec 9, 2009

kevbot said:
The point is, as in many other threads you have participated in, you made a claim, then backed it up with information that clearly refuted your claim. For all I know, maybe your personal toilet works this way. Neither of the toilets in my house behave in that manner.

Ok, well can you do me a solid and try to have the hose drain into the tank instead of the overflow pipe, then test the toilet?

Exodist · Dec 10, 2009

leros said:
the flapper drains the bowl. The bowl would be empty if it weren't for the hose in the pipe refilling the bowl.

Your knowledge of toilets is about as good as your knowledge of automobiles.

lmao qft!!

Capt Caveman · Dec 10, 2009

fleabag said:
That's what I thought, but then I realized that just the opening of the flapper does that..

God, you're an idiot. You really want ATOT Ownage of the Year, don't you?

kevbot · Dec 10, 2009

fleabag said:
Ok, well can you do me a solid and try to have the hose drain into the tank instead of the overflow pipe, then test the toilet?

I have no desire to turn this into another epic thread to lurk, but I have done exactly that. I replaced the "guts" in my toilet, but the fill tube for the bowl became dislodged so it just drained into the tank. The first time I flushed, it worked fine, but the bowl did not fill. there was just a couple of inches in the bottom.

LTC8K6 · Dec 10, 2009

http://www.fluidmaster.com/pdfs/218_instructions.pdf

It's only a coincidence that it's called the refill tube, I guess...

Cattlegod · Dec 10, 2009

it is so the tank can drain. it provides a vacuum release for the tank. with all of the water exiting the tank, it would create a vacuum and the water wouldn't actually flush. the hose is there to release the pressure when you flush.

FoBoT · Dec 10, 2009

try adding this attachment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Flz_lULuCUQ

Greenman · Dec 10, 2009

Leros said:
The flapper drains the bowl. The bowl would be empty if it weren't for the hose in the pipe refilling the bowl.

Your knowledge of toilets is about as good as your knowledge of automobiles.

You have no idea how a toilet works.

Edit: This entire thread is full of fail.

Leros · Dec 10, 2009

Greenman said:
You have no idea how a toilet works.

Edit: This entire thread is full of fail.

My toilet has two hoses, googling around shows me that is not normal.

MrPickins · Dec 10, 2009

I hate to ask, but were you dropped on your head as a child?

Cerpin Taxt · Dec 10, 2009

The hose is for recirculating the toilet coolant from the sanitary radiator to the siphon block. Everyone knows this.

Ika · Dec 10, 2009

Greenman said:
You have no idea how a toilet works.

Edit: This entire thread is full of fail.

don't you mean this thread is full of shit?

iGas · Dec 10, 2009

Stop arguing Fleabag and read my previous post.

I'm a license plumber.

thepd7 · Dec 10, 2009

LTC8K6 said:
http://www.fluidmaster.com/pdfs/218_instructions.pdf

It's only a coincidence that it's called the refill tube, I guess...

seems like the OP is not completely wrong in this case

thepd7 · Dec 10, 2009

iGas said:
Stop arguing Fleabag and read my previous post.

I'm a license plumber.

Obviously not a licensed speller.

grrl · Dec 10, 2009

Ah, another fleabag trollfest. Home schooling FTL, or has it been determined he goes to remedial school?

TridenT · Dec 10, 2009

It's for you to stick yah penis in. Obviously...

l0cke · Dec 10, 2009

I have OP on ignore, so I will just guess that I am posting in an epic fail thread.

grrl · Dec 10, 2009

LTC8K6 said:
http://www.fluidmaster.com/pdfs/218_instructions.pdf

It's only a coincidence that it's called the refill tube, I guess...

thepd7 said:

seems like the OP is not completely wrong in this case

Click to expand...

No, he still is wrong because he doubts the tube is necessary to properly refill the bowl.

Tsavo · Dec 10, 2009

Arguing about toilet technology on the internet.

Long day?

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