Point of clarification

[Rainsford]

Perhaps we are getting a little ahead of ourselves, or perhaps Ozoned (yet again) is hearing what he wants to hear. In any case, I'm curious as to where exactly people have suggested if anything would happen to Bush, it should bypass his constitutional rights? People may have accused him of things, but that hardly is the same as saying he should be treated like Gitmo detainees. Ozoned's logic (yet again) is very thin at best.

Here's an analogy, I accuse someone of robbing my house, "Hey, I think I saw that guy sneaking out my back window when I got home." Ozoned jumps in and says, "So, you think we should just lock him up with no trial, eh?" What about that makes sense?

I do not understand the basic lack of reasoning skills that would lead someone to say that saying an individual is guilty of a crime is the same as saying they shouldn't get a fair trial or all the protections of our legal system. Actually I take that back, I know what Ozoned's problem is. HE is unable to seperate the two in his own mind. If he thinks someone is a terrorist, they should be sent straight to the gulag, to be tortured if he thinks they should be. After all, why do they need legal protections, he thinks they are guilty.

 

[GrGr]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: GrGr
I agree with Ozoned. It is high time for American Patriots to remove the stain on the honor of the USA and to apply the process of due process visavi the President and impeach him for high crimes and misdemeanours.

Absolutely. Do something besides b!tching and moaning and groaning and the incessant whining.

Put the ball into motion.

How about you GrGR?

Got balls?

It's not my move to make. I am not American 🙂

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: GrGr

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: GrGr
I agree with Ozoned. It is high time for American Patriots to remove the stain on the honor of the USA and to apply the process of due process visavi the President and impeach him for high crimes and misdemeanours.

Absolutely. Do something besides b!tching and moaning and groaning and the incessant whining.

Put the ball into motion.

How about you GrGR?

Got balls?

It's not my move to make. I am not American 🙂

Dude, if you have learned anything about Americans, it's that we don't think you need to live in a country, or represent it in any way, in order to have the authority to make large changes to it 😉

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: GrGr

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: GrGr
I agree with Ozoned. It is high time for American Patriots to remove the stain on the honor of the USA and to apply the process of due process visavi the President and impeach him for high crimes and misdemeanours.

Absolutely. Do something besides b!tching and moaning and groaning and the incessant whining.

Put the ball into motion.

How about you GrGR?

Got balls?

It's not my move to make. I am not American 🙂

Dude, if you have learned anything about Americans, it's that we don't think you need to live in a country, or represent it in any way, in order to have the authority to make large changes to it 😉

😀

 

[GrGr]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: GrGr

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: GrGr
I agree with Ozoned. It is high time for American Patriots to remove the stain on the honor of the USA and to apply the process of due process visavi the President and impeach him for high crimes and misdemeanours.

Absolutely. Do something besides b!tching and moaning and groaning and the incessant whining.

Put the ball into motion.

How about you GrGR?

Got balls?

It's not my move to make. I am not American 🙂

Dude, if you have learned anything about Americans, it's that we don't think you need to live in a country, or represent it in any way, in order to have the authority to make large changes to it 😉

:laugh: :beer:

 

[biostud]

Basically it's about not trusting those who are in power. If you don't question their actions how will you ever now if what they do is right or wrong? And what can be done to improve our actions so we can do it even better next time we have to do something similar.

What I believe is one of the most important thing about our society is that the law is above everything else. No man, woman or president should be above the law.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Here is the deal for you Republicans. You can pontificate, you can excuse, you can justify, you can rationalize, you can support, you can scare, you can mislead, you can come up with red herrings, you can do whatever you want. This war is gonna fail, and it will be a huge stain on the Republican party for a long time. It will kill neoconservative foreign policy at a minimum, and could bring down the GOP. It's time to write Iraq off and bring our troops home.

Normally I would agree with you on this but because of the Religion factor in tandem with the re-enforced Brainwashing from Radio & TV Talk Shows, Fake Gov't protected Groups such as the Swift Boat Group and Faux Newscasts the RRR Republican Party looks to keep the death grip it has on the Country.

Even Hollywood and faked CBS reports couldn't combat the Brainwashing machine the Right put together.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Ozoned
So the people that claim the invasion of Iraq is unjust and illegal, are largely American and patriotic.

Now I have heard the same people argue that we are denying basic fundamental rights and constitutional privileges to terrorist suspects and enemy combatants and argue that our constitution is worthless unless we extend the same privileges to them, that we enjoy.

And then, in the next breath claim that their President is a liar, guilty by reason of the facts and opinions that they post and there is an air of a demand that their facts and opinions must be refuted before they can extend any reasonable notion that The president is innocent of what they charge.

[*]In their eyes, there is a presumption of guilt...

So, are the terrorist suspects and enemy combatants entitled to due process, with a presumption of innocence, and The president of the Us is not?

Maybe these people are a bloodthirsty people living in a democracy. Wouldn't be the first time that they talk out both sides of their faces. :|



Oh, and don't get pissy, Winston, its not personal. 😎

We don't have to give the terrorists our constitutional rights. What we do have to do is abide by the rules set out by the Red Cross and other organizations.(To my knowledge) We are not listening to them at all. Those in Gito are in there because our goverment says "They are bad" we haven't really charged any of them with crimes. We are just "keeping them".

Either way, Bush is a horrible president.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Perhaps we are getting a little ahead of ourselves, or perhaps Ozoned (yet again) is hearing what he wants to hear. In any case, I'm curious as to where exactly people have suggested if anything would happen to Bush, it should bypass his constitutional rights? People may have accused him of things, but that hardly is the same as saying he should be treated like Gitmo detainees. Ozoned's logic (yet again) is very thin at best.

Here's an analogy, I accuse someone of robbing my house, "Hey, I think I saw that guy sneaking out my back window when I got home." Ozoned jumps in and says, "So, you think we should just lock him up with no trial, eh?" What about that makes sense?

I do not understand the basic lack of reasoning skills that would lead someone to say that saying an individual is guilty of a crime is the same as saying they shouldn't get a fair trial or all the protections of our legal system. Actually I take that back, I know what Ozoned's problem is. HE is unable to seperate the two in his own mind. If he thinks someone is a terrorist, they should be sent straight to the gulag, to be tortured if he thinks they should be. After all, why do they need legal protections, he thinks they are guilty.

Its not about things that are concrete and set in stone, it is about attitudes, and reading people. I could be wrong about some people, but not all of them...

Oh, and you know what they say about "Dismissing people's views and opinions based on your silly analysis of them". 😉