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Plextor 12x10x32 or Yamaha 16X10X40?

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thebluescreen

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I want to know which one i should buy, I hear good things about both of them but which one is really better. The Plexor on one hand has good suport and you can use clonecd and on the other hand the Yamaha is just fast and I dont know what it supports. They both have burn-proof technology I think. Also they are only about $45 apart.Plextor 12x10x32 Rewritable EIDE CD-RW Kit $240 - $50 coupon or the Yamaha 2100EZ CD-RW 16X10X40 IDE Internal Kit $285 - $50 coupon. So if anyone has any suggestions please tell me.
 
Plextor, the burn proof is a must... I just got the 12x10x32x TDK and I love it. I dont know how I could live with out burn proof now
 
Get the yamaha. This forum is VERY plextor biased. Burn-proof is good but with a 16x burner cds are gonna burn quick and as long as your cpu and hd are fast you really wont have to worry about buffer underruns.
 
actually it's not much faster. Besides, Burn-Proof is a must as mentioned above.
Even the PC shuts down, you will still be abel to resume to the previous task.
 
I dont know what i'm talking about? HA. Plextor drivers are very good but the yamaha is a better deal in this case.
 
At 16x you'd need the burn proof more than ever. If it was only 12x with that big 8 meg buffer then the Yamaha would be a more viable option. But as it stands(not just in this forum but in any review of cdrw's) the Plextor would be better. Besides, the speed increase in total minutes at 16x isn't that much better than 12x. We're comparing 5-6 minutes burn time to 6-8 mins burn time. I'll take the Plextor because of the Burn Proof and the fact that Plextor hands down makes the best CDROMs and CDRWs.

Does Yamaha have a SCSI version of that 16x drive? I'm looking to get a new CDRW myself, and I need SCSI. The 12x10x32S looks good, but I wouldn't be so worried about buffer underruns on my all SCSi system that I personally would consider that Yamaha, even tho my old Yamaha 4416S died on me.
 
Hard_Bioled


<< At 16x you'd need the burn proof more than ever. >>



Exactly. People just don't realize this. The faster the burner, the faster it needs info pumped into it. In most cases without burnproof, as soon as the buffer gets iterupted, the burner chokes. This becomes more likely because the burner is sucking the info from the buffer much faster and you are more likely to under run with a 16X burner without burnproof than a 4X burner without burnproof.

Get Burnproof!

LJ
 
Yamaha does make a SCSI version of it. Burn proof is becoming LESS of a need because the burn time is decreasing. You guys make it like buffer runs are gonna happen all the time if you're browsing the web while burning a cd. Burn proof would have been GREAT for 2x-6x burners because of how long it took to burn a cd.
 
burnproof allows you to do other things while your computer is burning - what your essential saying is that cause the time is so short (6-8 mins) that one shouldn't use their computer doing this time, and allow the computer to do all of its processing feeding the burner at 12x. Most of us like to use our computer when we have nothing else to do other than twidle our thumbs...this is why burn proof is good, because otherwise at 12x-16x a substantial amount of CPU time would be required to push the data to the burner..and if you try to do something else substantial w/o burnproof, your going to get a buffer underrun.
 
Doomguy

Let's see:

Burnproof = no coasters

No Burnproof = possible coasters.

I'll take the first option and play Q3 while I burn.

LJ
 
Burn proof is becoming LESS of a need because the burn time is decreasing

Huh? If burn time is decreasing, then you're more likely to starve the buffer, meaning buffer underrun. And 8MB on the IDE drive doesn't quite do it either. One reviewer was able to coaster on the Yamaha. It's pretty much near impossible to coaster on BURN-Proof drives unless your computer locks up or you power off during a burn.

Don't forget to add in the cost of the earplugs you'll need with the Yamaha. Wonder if a Delta 38CFM fan can drown it out?
 
You CAN still use your computer while burning a cd on a non burn-proof burner. Earplugs? Its only loud I hear when its reading because its 40x. 40x cdrom drives are pretty much always loud.
 
actually, i don't understand why people insist that burning a cd requires so much cpu. on eide systems with 8x burners, i've seen the cpu go to 3% when burning a cd, everything else is idle, assuming udma is set properly. all you're doing is just copying data from drive to drive, and not at that high of a speed if going from the hard disk to cdrw. the main thing that causes a buffer underun is lack of data from the source not being able to keep up with the target drive, hence the buffer. if you want to multitask while burning a cd that takes all of 5 minutes to burn, then get the plextor. 12x and 16x writers have such ridiculously low burn times that you'll be waiting a &quot;whole&quot; 2 or so min for one drive over the other. i'd take plextor since it's cheaper and offers burn proof. 45 bucks is not worth 2 extra minutes saved to me, unless your doing massive massive backups, then i would not even get eide, i would get scsi. and i doubt you're going to being playing any games for all of the 5 minutes or so it takes to burn a cd with one of these drives.
 
all the reviewers of burn-proof drives has said it took an unusual amount to effort to get a buffer under-run to get burn-proof to activate. It would never under-run with Q3, UT and a bunch other stuff. it took winbench to finally get it down.

that waz at 12x with 2/4mb buffer. now the yamaha does 16x with 8mb buffer. if it takes plextor burn-proofs lot to under-run at 12X with 4mb buffer, then a yamaha at 25% faster with 50% larger buffer would do better.

besides couldn't you wait 5min to burn, you can do that resource comsuming task (typing in word, surfing net don't count)?
 
Go with a plextor:
at 12x, you can make a CD in less than 7 minutes
at 16x, it takes about 5 minutes to make a cd.
 
Burnproof is far more marketing hype than real technology. Does it work? Yes, it does. Is it needed? Absolutely not. Some people here act like it is a religion to worship. I have no idea what you are doing with your computer to get these steady flows of coasters, but I never get buffer underruns no matter what I do with my computer while burning. Actually, I did once when I started degfragging my hard drive, forgetting I was burning. Even if you do make a coaster once a month? Who cares? I look at the people's signatures here with $300 graphic cards and $400 CPU's crying about losing a 30 cent cdr. It's a joke.

If you want the fastest cdr drive around, go for the yamaha. I recommend against using it as a cdrom drive, because it is annoying loud. If you're dead set on Plextor, go for it, but don't expect burnproof to be the next coming.
 
Exactly. With dma on cpu use is very low. I'm actually in the same situation as the poster. I'm deciding what burner to get for christmas and so far i'm going with the yamaha because burn-proof isnt a need.
 
Doomguy,

Its only loud I hear when its reading because its 40x

No, a review of the Sanyo 16/10/40 (*with* BURN-Proof, BTW) at CDRInfo noted the &quot;low noise which both (Sanyo) drives produce when reading at 40x speed compared to the annoying noise, which (Yamaha) CRW2100E produces.&quot; Also, on this forum some people returned their Yamahas because they were so annoying.

EvilDonnyboy

that waz at 12x with 2/4mb buffer. now the yamaha does 16x with 8mb buffer. if it takes plextor burn-proofs lot to under-run at 12X with 4mb buffer, then a yamaha at 25% faster with 50% larger buffer would do better

Wrong. I'll say it again - the higher the speed, the more likely you are to coaster. And a larger buffer doesn't make the drive functionally equivalent to BURN-Proof. In fact, if an 8MB buffer is the functional equivalent of BURN-Proof, then why does Yamaha suggest NOT doing CD-to-CD copy at 16x from a drive on the same IDE channel? BURN-Proof has no problem doing this.

What's particularly appalling is that Yamaha advertises the drive as having &quot;Waste-Proof Write Strategy.&quot; Guess what that is? You got it, an 8MB buffer. Which, as I've said repeatedly is NOT the functional equivalent of BURN-Proof. But it sure helps mislead people into thinking that the drive has something &quot;just like&quot; BURN-Proof.

Regardless, the Plextor PX-W1610A is coming fairly soon. So if you really want a 16x drive, I'd wait for the Plextor, since it'll probably cost about the same as the Yamaha.
 
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