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[enthusiast24]

who among you DOES NOT say the pledge of allegiance? (in school and other places)

A buddy of mine refuses to partake in saying the pledge every day, does not SAY it, does not place his hand over his heart, hell its a hassle to get him to stand up.

I just think, if you live in a country, you should respect it and pledge your allegiance to it, because it's giving you a home / protecting you....right?




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[jpeyton]

I think pledges are stupid. So are anthems.

But I have enough respect to stand up.

 

[ayabe]

Words are just words, saying the pledge doesn't make you any more or less of an American.

 

[1EZduzit]

Resitance is futile

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I think pledges are stupid. So are anthems.

But I have enough respect to stand up.

If I were to become an American citizen on day, I believe I would have the respect for the pledges and anthems.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: ayabe
Words are just words, saying the pledge doesn't make you any more or less of an American.

your wrong on that. words do have meaning and do mean to a lot to many people.

 

[SilthDraeth]

I never put much faith in the Anthem, or the pledge, and I still don't in the pledge, but the Anthem... having it sung live by my fellow military members, and being sung with heart and soul brought tears to my eyes. I still don't feel much when they play it at the Super Bowl, or anything, but I felt it while I was active duty military.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Originally posted by: ayabe
Words are just words, saying the pledge doesn't make you any more or less of an American.

You've just been listening to politicians too much. Words still mean things to some people.

 

[Kwaipie]

The religious right usurped the US Pledge of Allegiance. I proved my allegiance when I raised my hand and took the oath to protect this country from enemies foreign and domestic.

 

[daveshel]

Like the flag, the pledge is another symbol that has become more important than the thing it started out to represent.

 

[fskimospy]

I don't say the pledge, and I usually don't stand up for the national anthem. (it all depends on the situation I guess). I don't feel like I owe America a single thing above what I already give it, and I certainly don't need to participate in any nationalistic rituals.

I pay taxes, I obey the law, and I served in the military. In exchange for that I get protection from other people/countries and a decent climate to live and work. I fill my half of the deal, the rest of the country fills theirs, and I don't owe them a single recitation of loyalty or salute to whatever symbol they want to excite patriotic fervor around. Why would I?

 

[beyoku]

never pledge, or even stand.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: ayabe
Words are just words, saying the pledge doesn't make you any more or less of an American.

your wrong on that. words do have meaning and do mean to a lot to many people.

Well here is the origin of the pledge from Wiki:

"The Pledge of Allegiance was written for the popular children's magazine Youth's Companion by Christian Socialist author and Baptist minister Francis Bellamy on September 7, 1892. The owners of Youth's Companion were selling flags to schools, and approached Bellamy to write the Pledge for their advertising campaign. It was marketed as a way to celebrate the 400th anniversary of Columbus arriving in the Americas and was first published on the following day."


Barely 100 years old and has no relevance, just the musings of some guy. I don't see how that adds any gravitas.

Now, the National Anthem I will stand for as that does mean something to me, just like the flag does.

 

[jonks]

You're about 14 or so, right son?

Son, you'll learn that any idiot can mime patriotism and respect by standing and saying a few meaningless words. Those are not the actions that define us as citizens.

And if you truly respect the rules and laws of this country, you will understand that civil disobedience and dissent are among the necessary foundations of democracy.

And I don't know anyone who has even had the opportunity to recite the pledge after high school. For me that was a long time ago.

/Troll fed?

 

[PELarson]

Originally posted by: enthusiast24
who among you DOES NOT say the pledge of allegiance? (in school and other places)

A buddy of mine refuses to partake in saying the pledge every day, does not SAY it, does not place his hand over his heart, hell its a hassle to get him to stand up.

I just think, if you live in a country, you should respect it and pledge your allegiance to it, because it's giving you a home / protecting you....right?

So you have no problem saying a pledge written by a Socialist!:Q

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: enthusiast24
who among you DOES NOT say the pledge of allegiance? (in school and other places)

A buddy of mine refuses to partake in saying the pledge every day, does not SAY it, does not place his hand over his heart, hell its a hassle to get him to stand up.

I just think, if you live in a country, you should respect it and pledge your allegiance to it, because it's giving you a home / protecting you....right?

I don't need to prove to anyone where my loyalties lie, least of all myself.

Pledges are jingoistic pap for the brainless.

 

[ayabe]

Since the pledge was written as part of a marketing campaign we could shorten it to "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America - I'm lovin' it!" (Current McDonald's marketing slogan)

That would mean just as much.

 

[zinfamous]

So, when do get the opportunity to say the pledge outside of 1980s-era (and previous) grade school? I don't think I've said it once since the 2nd grade, and I sure haven't witnessed it being spoken anywhere else.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: ayabe
Since the pledge was written as part of a marketing campaign we could shorten it to "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America - I'm lovin' it!" (Current McDonald's marketing slogan)

That would mean just as much.

ah, so like Valentine's, Mother's, and Father's day? good to know that Hallmark is also responsible for our patriotism.

 

[Moonbeam]

I always stand and I always say the pledge. I try to be in the world but not of it. A man can live as a slave who is inwardly liberated. I don't mind reminding myself that I should pledge myself to liberty and justice for all. I am a nobody and the pledge time is a good time to recall things beyond the self. A man can be judged by his aim so aim to save all sentient beings.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: enthusiast24
who among you DOES NOT say the pledge of allegiance? (in school and other places)

A buddy of mine refuses to partake in saying the pledge every day, does not SAY it, does not place his hand over his heart, hell its a hassle to get him to stand up.

I just think, if you live in a country, you should respect it and pledge your allegiance to it, because it's giving you a home / protecting you....right?




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I had a friend in highschool who didn't stand or partake during the anthem or the pledge. His personal opinion was it was a lip-service prayer to the flag and most of the people who said the pledge had no concept of what it really meant or what our democracy really was.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: enthusiast24
who among you DOES NOT say the pledge of allegiance? (in school and other places)

A buddy of mine refuses to partake in saying the pledge every day, does not SAY it, does not place his hand over his heart, hell its a hassle to get him to stand up.

I just think, if you live in a country, you should respect it and pledge your allegiance to it, because it's giving you a home / protecting you....right?




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cool canvas art
www.icanvasart.com

I had a friend in highschool who didn't stand or partake during the anthem or the pledge. His personal opinion was it was a lip-service prayer to the flag and most of the people who said the pledge had no concept of what it really meant or what our democracy really was.

My mother told me when she was little, she thought she was pledging "...and to the republic, for Richard Stanz, one nation..." She used to wonder, who the hell is this Richard Stanz guy?

 

[gcy]

respect for what it stands for

 

[Jaskalas]

The pledge is a relic from when the people of this nation cherished this nation to such a degree as to show honor and respect to it.

I can?t recall the last time I had the opportunity to say/hear pledge in public, but the national anthem still seems to be popular.

 

[PrinceofWands]

I won't say 'under god', I find it offensive and against the foundations of this nation. In school I was prohibited from saying it without saying under god, so I chose to not say it at all. Now I will say it, but just leave the added bit out.

I also don't believe in people under about 6-9th grade saying it because they're 'generally' incapable of comprehending it's deeper meanings and impacts.