Standing is a sign of respect (for example, standing when somebody enters a room). When I entered middle school things improved dramatically. A kid in my homeroom class was a Muslim, and he was allowed to not recite the pledge, as long as he stood for it.
Standing is a sign of respect (for example, standing when somebody enters a room). When I entered middle school things improved dramatically. A kid in my homeroom class was a Muslim, and he was allowed to not recite the pledge, as long as he stood for it.
sunzt
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I remember in my senior year of high school that one morning my friend and I were standing up to recite the pledge. I always recited it, mostly not to stir up any trouble (but i always felt somewhat hesitant when the god part came up).
Anyway, my friend never recited it and he just stands. However, eventually out teacher, a war vet, confronted him about it and gave my friend the shpeel about honoring all the vets and fighters. My friend i think said that he wasn't trying to instigate anything or disrespect people, he just didn't want to say the pledge for his own personal reasons ( i forget what they were). So eventually things got heated up and my teacher got pissed and eventually my friend recited the pledge mostly to stay on my teacher's good side.
So I guess my friend had incentive to recite the pledge to avoid getting a lower grade.
Anyway, my friend never recited it and he just stands. However, eventually out teacher, a war vet, confronted him about it and gave my friend the shpeel about honoring all the vets and fighters. My friend i think said that he wasn't trying to instigate anything or disrespect people, he just didn't want to say the pledge for his own personal reasons ( i forget what they were). So eventually things got heated up and my teacher got pissed and eventually my friend recited the pledge mostly to stay on my teacher's good side.
So I guess my friend had incentive to recite the pledge to avoid getting a lower grade.
I'm against the words "i pledge allegience, to the flag...". Maybe I should whine about it to the Supreme court.
Just because you feel something is unconstitutional, it does not make it so. Frankly, I dont care what you or anyone beleives or if you or anyone else ever says the pledge of alegience. I just dont care. If you feel so strongly go to California or whereever and protest. I dont think anyone can force any person in this country to say anything they dont want to say. Maybe in a courtroom the judge can demand you answer a question, but you can still opt to go to jail instead.
Hey, I can spin too.
You don't respect what the flag represents, America and the freedom of it's citizens?
Darn underphobes.
Todd33
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So basically you take the stand of the bully majority. You just don't care. Go to jail, go protest, you don't care. And when a Judge finds it unconstitutional, suddenly you care.
I care that the Constitution is upheld, not what people think. Go to church and pray. Go dance around and praise your snake oil salesman Smith, keep it out of government.
nakedfrog
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But it DOES matter when a judge feels something is unconstitutional. They are in that position to interpret the Constitution.
If you don't care, what would be the problem with altering it back to it's original intentions? Any religious sort is most likely already paying homage to their god in the methods dictated by their religion, which makes the "under god" part of the pledge completely unnecessary--and it draws away from the intentions of the pledge.
Unless you've forgotten, the pledge of allegiance is a pledge to your country, not to a religious entity. If it was religious in nature, it would be a prayer, not a pledge.
"I pledge allegiance, to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic, for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
I believe in God, but not necessarily the same one or ones as the next guy. The term "God" is actually pretty generic. One thing that I find interesting, though, is the same people who have a problem with the fact that it's in the pledge... they usually don't have any problem whatsoever with calling the same God that doesn't exist to damn something, or just throwing out the term "God" in vain throughout the day. These guys probably make more references to God than I do, and I'm a Christian.
The references to some sort of deity in our American culture are prevalent. While "under God" was added to the pledge within the last several decades, the phrase "so help me God" was included from 1776 in the oath of office for military and civilian national officers. Do you think anybody ever really tried to push God onto anyone joining the military? The military's mission is to break stuff and kill people. Not spread the gospel of Christ. Adding "so help me God" to any oath doesn't change the mission or the design, and the only thing it does is make it stronger for some people. To others, it's a meaningless addition. Kind of like the word "indivisible." I don't think America is "indivisible." I think we clearly indicated that the country can be divided when we had the civil war. We're clearly a divided country when it comes to party lines. We divide ourselves on just about every issue imaginable, including, ironically, the pledge of allegiance. So after you say "under God," you're thinking to yourself, "man, the country is so divided on the issue of whether there should be an 'under God' clause," and then the next word that's coming is "indivisible." I love it. I have more of a problem with the "indivisible" part than I do with the "under God" part, but it's not like I'm going to make a federal case about it.
The whole "under God" issue seems to be child squabble. If you don't like it, don't say it. It's a free country, and saying the pledge of allegiance is supposed to remind you of that.
"I pledge allegiance, to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic, for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
I believe in God, but not necessarily the same one or ones as the next guy. The term "God" is actually pretty generic. One thing that I find interesting, though, is the same people who have a problem with the fact that it's in the pledge... they usually don't have any problem whatsoever with calling the same God that doesn't exist to damn something, or just throwing out the term "God" in vain throughout the day. These guys probably make more references to God than I do, and I'm a Christian.
The references to some sort of deity in our American culture are prevalent. While "under God" was added to the pledge within the last several decades, the phrase "so help me God" was included from 1776 in the oath of office for military and civilian national officers. Do you think anybody ever really tried to push God onto anyone joining the military? The military's mission is to break stuff and kill people. Not spread the gospel of Christ. Adding "so help me God" to any oath doesn't change the mission or the design, and the only thing it does is make it stronger for some people. To others, it's a meaningless addition. Kind of like the word "indivisible." I don't think America is "indivisible." I think we clearly indicated that the country can be divided when we had the civil war. We're clearly a divided country when it comes to party lines. We divide ourselves on just about every issue imaginable, including, ironically, the pledge of allegiance. So after you say "under God," you're thinking to yourself, "man, the country is so divided on the issue of whether there should be an 'under God' clause," and then the next word that's coming is "indivisible." I love it. I have more of a problem with the "indivisible" part than I do with the "under God" part, but it's not like I'm going to make a federal case about it.
The whole "under God" issue seems to be child squabble. If you don't like it, don't say it. It's a free country, and saying the pledge of allegiance is supposed to remind you of that.
No. At this point in time and in the development of the English language the words for days of the week as names of Nordic gods have lost all significant religious meaning. This is not the case with the pledge, which was clearly and decisively altered to pay tribute to the Judeo-Christian god in order to differentiate ourselves from the atheistic USSR. And it was changed about 50 years ago, whereas the days of the week are... 1500 years old? I'm sorry, but it is a completely fallacious comparison. Everyone knows very well that the words in the pledge have only one purpose and meaning.
The "under god" portion was added to seperate "Christian" America from the "Heathen" Soviets. I'm not going to google it for you. It refers to the Christian god, period.
I'd never do such a thing and I was forced to church so I would learn how to be a "good American"... funny I have such a negative opinion on religion, ya think.
Well, I agree its totally BS, but in America, this is what we thrive on. Who cares about the economy, wars, China... give me dumb Aruba girl, Survivor, and gay marriage controversy! I'm an American! :roll:
azazyel
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Lost religious meaning? To whom? Also the Viking age ended in 900 AD and the days were adopted later to supplant the Latin version which used Roman gods. Anyways, if you don't believe in the Norse gods then fine, they have no meaning for you. Same can be said with the Christian god, just ignore it.
Then why was it added? Why not leave the pledge neutral in regards to religion? The answer is that it is a clear effort to encourage all Americans to acknowledge the Christian god. It is best left as it was originally intended: a secular pledge to the country of America.
"Hyperbole" is an insult? If I could read through the hyperbolic ranting to find a question that is actually pertinent, I'd answer it.
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