Pledge of Allegiance in public schools unconstitutional?

[Stonesoldier]

Just heard some Judge in San francisco Has said that the Pledge of Allegiance is
unconstutional


news link

Some people got nothing better to do than Bitch about religion

 

[moshquerade]

P&N

 

[artikk]

P&N Thread on same subject. BTW wrong forum.

 

[nakedfrog]

Good. Put the Pledge back the way it was originally, or even prior to the 1950's anti-commie agenda addition. Or even remove it all together, indoctrination goes against the idea of a free society anyway.

 

[Cristatus]

Even though this belongs in P&N I think he is right. Just because you live in a country doesn't mean you have to know their anthem. But then again, OTOH, if you don't teach the kids early, they'll never learn (shamefully, as I have never learnt the Indian National Anthem).

Gotta look at both the sides. Hard decision.

 

[George P Burdell]

Before: ...one nation under God.
After: ...one nation under Canada, above Mexico

(paraphrasing Robin Williams)

 

[DougK62]

Originally posted by: George P Burdell
Before: ...one nation under God.
After: ...one nation under Canada, above Mexico

(paraphrasing Robin Williams)

Before Before: ...one nation.

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Good. Put the Pledge back the way it was originally, or even prior to the 1950's anti-commie agenda addition. Or even remove it all together, indoctrination goes against the idea of a free society anyway.

definitley

but remember.... the only reason we have public schools in this country is because the framers believed that if you didn't indoctronate the youngin's to believe in why they needed to vote, etc, that democracy would fail.... so we're already half way there

 

[EyeMWing]

Is this the damned "seperation of church and state" argument again?

Has this judge ever READ the constitution?

http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html
http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Amend.html

Search for the word "chuch" - it doesn't exist. Search for "religion" - it only appears in the freedom of religion amendment. Therefore, it's not unconstitutional, because the constitution doesn't have a goddamn thing to say about it.

 

[EyeMWing]

right to be "free from a coercive requirement to affirm God."

Even worse than "seperation of church and state" - that right is DEFINITELY not in the constitution.

This, however, is.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

This applies to *LAW* - nowhere in the country is this a law. And nowhere does it say that they are responsible to prohibit this type of action - doing so would likely violate the second part highlighted above.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Is this the damned "seperation of church and state" argument again?

Has this judge ever READ the constitution?

http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html
http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Amend.html

Search for the word "chuch" - it doesn't exist. Search for "religion" - it only appears in the freedom of religion amendment. Therefore, it's not unconstitutional, because the constitution doesn't have a goddamn thing to say about it.

Living up to your sig, I see. They're in their position to interpret the Constitution as it applies to situations not specifically covered in it. Prior precedent has been set by the removal of school prayer, and this would seem to be related to that.

 

[Fenixgoon]

that's just reatrded. you're not required to say the pledge in the first place, its just frowned upon to not say it

 

[BAMAVOO]

Originally posted by: Stonesoldier
Just heard some Judge in San francisco Has said that the Pledge of Allegiance is
unconstutional


news link

Some people got nothing better to do than Bitch about religion

But shagging some dudes bunghole is the right thing to do? This country is going downhill so fast. :disgust::|

 

[spidey07]

gah.

when are we going to just nuke that crap hole of a state?

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: Stonesoldier
Just heard some Judge in San francisco Has said that the Pledge of Allegiance is
unconstutional


news link

Some people got nothing better to do than to preach about religion

Agreed, the pledge is unconstitutional. I remember in the 2nd grade saying "under god" and thought it was odd that in a non religous public school that I'd say that and asked my dad why I had to say that, he didn't have a logical answer. It's not a big deal to remove it, this "legacy" bullshiet is just that, bullshiet.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Remove a pledge to ANY god or religious figure, especially to young and impressionable children who just recite it because they're instructed to.

 

[Kadarin]

If I do not believe in God, why would I wish to pledge allegiance to a nation "under God"? They need to bring back the original "One nation, indivisible.." Period.

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
that's just reatrded. you're not required to say the pledge in the first place, its just frowned upon to not say it

Wrong, when I was in elementary school, you'd be punished for not doing the pledge.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: BAMAVOO

Originally posted by: Stonesoldier
Just heard some Judge in San francisco Has said that the Pledge of Allegiance is
unconstutional


news link

Some people got nothing better to do than Bitch about religion

But shagging some dudes bunghole is the right thing to do? This country is going downhill so fast. :disgust::|

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[DragonMasterAlex]

History of the Pedge of Allegiance

1892: "I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands- one nation indivisible-with liberty and justice for all."

1923: "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and the Republic for which it stands- one nation indivisible-with liberty and justice for all."

1954: "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and the Republic for which it stands- one nation, under God, indivisible-with liberty and justice for all."

Yes, someone's trying to insidiously infiltrate and take over the United States Government, including things as innocuous as the Pledge. What no one's saying, though, is that the highjackers behind it are the Christians.

Jason

 

[So]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Is this the damned "seperation of church and state" argument again?

Has this judge ever READ the constitution?

http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html
http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Amend.html

Search for the word "chuch" - it doesn't exist. Search for "religion" - it only appears in the freedom of religion amendment. Therefore, it's not unconstitutional, because the constitution doesn't have a goddamn thing to say about it.

Since when are amendments not a part of the constitution?

Last time I checked when you amend something, it becomes PART OF IT.

 

[Corporate Thug]

ugh, this will just go to the supreme court of CA and get reversed

 

[HumblePie]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
that's just reatrded. you're not required to say the pledge in the first place, its just frowned upon to not say it

OH ON THAT YOU ARE WRONG!!! Come to Texas my boy. I dare you to go to school in the morning and not say the pledge and let a teacher catch you. If you don't stand up, put your hand over your heart and at least mumble the words you WILL be paddled, sent to detention, and usually put on a 3 day suspension afterwards. That's if they are feeling nice. I'm am NOT joking. Oh yes, they do paddle you all the way through highschool. They just use a bigger paddle with more "speed holes" for your fatter butt.

eyeMWing, the Constitution doesn't state specifically anything about no saying the pledge in school. However, it does say, Freedom of Religion. What freedom means is the ability to CHOSE your own. If I want to beleive in a frikking leprechaun named bubba as my religious preference I can. You can't force me to say, Under GOD, from a Constitutional stand point because doing so is breaking my freedome of religion. However, removing the phrase "under GOD" from the pledge makes it all Constitutional again. Funny how that works huh?

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
ugh, this will just go to the supreme court of CA and get reversed

Last time it was on a technicality. This time, I don't know. It's quite possible, I believe the 9th Circuit gets a lot of it's decisions overturned. But hopefully this time justice will prevail.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Boy am I glad to be born and live in the North.